UT football players allege school and donors coerced (them) into staying for “The Eyes of Texas”
This is pretty rough
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/03/03/ut-austin-eyes-of-texas-donors/
[Edit @ 8:10 pm] I would prefer to allow this thread to remain open. Let's everyone help to keep this thread alive by discussing thoughts, insight, and ideas rather than attacking others who are partaking in the discussion. Thank you all.
-rob f
(PS: I also edited the title, per the OP's request)
I don't the this proves your point well. A very smart gifted musician became friends with racists and got them to rethink their twisted view points. That is a powerful lesson. Pointing and yelling does nothing. Listening and making a rational counter point convinces the most racist person to give up their robes and walk away from those beliefs. Why? because racism is a stupid belief system. It's easy to deconstruct. I'm saddened by some of the comments on this board. Take off the red tie - blue tie blinders and have a dialogue. These dialogues are how people construct thoughts. Be better than the instinct to point and claim that the "other" person is bad. There is good in all of us and we can make positive changes to the world. Let's talk about that, what ever it is.
Agreed
I just read the article. That’s tucking awesome. Thanks for the share!
Responding to monocle.
The public shaming may cause someone to hide the behavior, but most likely won't actually make a bigoted white man see a black neighbor as an equal.
I see what hillbilly is aiming at, but am surprised this is the hill he's choosing to die on.
It will be interesting to see who chooses to compromise, the offended players or boosters. I would hope the school would be open to looking into their past traditions and try to find ways to heal broken relationships.
Cheers
“Im not defending racism but you do have to accept racism.”
Also pretty silly to insinuate that people on welfare programs don’t have to answer to anybody.
I'd love to hear everyone's ideas on how you're going to make a racist not racist.
It’s certainly not stopped by ignoring it. Racism has to be confronted. Conversations, protests, forums, education etc etc. Depends on the situation. You can’t force people to change but you can get them to the point where they want to. Not always successful but we still have to try. Sometimes you’re not the one to do it, so you have to cut ties, but we can’t act like every racist is incapable of not being racist. Racism is man made. It can be unmade
Jesus y'all, I didn't say don't confront it if it's worth it, but don't expect to keep your job if you bite the hand that feeds you.
that's literally why we have whistleblower protection laws. Not a big fan of them?
Did I say that? No. But y'all keep on with being woke dudes on a message board.
You said that exactly, yeah. "don't expect to keep your job if you bite the hand that feeds you.". How else am I supposed to interpret that? If my boss is forcing me to work my 8-hour shifts without my legally mandated breaks, and I tell a reporter, are you saying I should not expect to keep my job? Maybe I needed that job and it was a pretty good one overall, I just wanted my boss to stop breaking the law. But I should expect to be fired?
You could be fired if you're employer isn't forced to operate within the law if there is no accountability. If so, you don't stay right? You leave even if it's a good job unless dealing with the injustice is an acceptable trade off. Not everyone has the luxury of moving around because of principles, so some of do the best we can in a job system that's unfair. I can't stand my job sometimes because the justice system disgusts me with how it chews up and spits out young black men. The problem is that if I leave, it doesn't help.
I understand your point exactly. But have no doubt, your logic is not appreciated when it can be twisted in virtue signaling. I'd say more, but I have some green eggs and ham to eat.
What level of racism is and isn’t worth it? Who decides that? We need people whistle blowing on their bosses and superiors. It’s a personal decision to go public or confront your boss but we should never encourage people to just take it. That’s defending racism because it’s accepting the status quo.
The heads of the university are acting like middle management. The players are standing up to the people they can, their coaches and the university president. The admin is in turn acting like a deer in the headlights. They know the song needs to go, but are neither willing to confront the donors, nor start a dialogue in an intelligent way as alluded to in the earlier post about the musician and the KKK. (I believe they did a historical evaluation of the song, but I don't think they did anything with it but prove its racist roots. Maybe the history professors should talk to the marketing professors.)
One UT donor emailed that under 6% of the student population is African American and then argued that as such a small minority they should not be listened to. (Both of these things are a real problem.) Many have already stopped giving money because they don't like the threat of their old and racist tradition being halted. If the donors truly love the university more than white supremacy they would give willingly. UT will be fine without them. Though $ should not be the deciding factor, TX A&M did a study on the impact of removing a confederate statue and found that the long term affects on donations would be "unaffected."
UT is a school last I checked. Educate. Do not rely on $ tied to racism, find it elsewhere if you need to, or maybe dip into your $31B endowment.
don't expect to keep your job if you bite the hand that feeds you
"If you stand up to racism in your workplace, you should expect to get fired" is definitely an interesting take
Same way we made the Nazis not Nazis anymore?
When did the Nazi’s disappear?
Tuesday, 8 May 1945
Losing the war didn’t make them not a Nazi anymore. That’s like saying the South losing the Civil War got rid of the racists.
Marry them. (Your experience notwithstanding.)
" I'd love to hear everyone's ideas on how you're going to make a racist not racist. "
You're not.
You're just going to show everyone else the public consequences of racist actions.
This isn't about the avowed racist - they're a lost cause - it's about everyone on the fence, and making racism be seen as socially unacceptable.
A certain former Governor from Arkansas made it very clear that it's workfare, not welfare, but no politics...
If you have to say "no politics", guess what, it's politics.
And next time you are a young black male in front of a judge in a court in the south, you tell me how you can keep the racist ones from coming down harder on you.
Y'all are also veering hard left to try to make what I said an argument that is easier to vilify. I never said people on welfare programs don't have to answer to anyone. That's not what I said but whatever suits your narrative.
“Unless you get your money from the government as a hand out or are wealthy, you're going to have to make your money giving other people what they want.”
Thats pretty much what you said. Might not have meant it that way but then it’s on you to clarify.
I work with impoverished families. Some of the shit they have to go through to get resources is fucking dehumanizing.
You assumed. It's also a red herring.
I don’t know how else someone is supposed to take that statement and you still haven’t clarified
Is there an easier way to improve ones economic standing than looking to the government. I thought so but reading comments maybe not.
This is a terrible take. So it's your opinion that, if at your place of employment, you find yourself a victim of anything, ranging from sexism, racism, physical/psychological/sexual harassment or abuse, unsafe working conditions, wage theft, etc. etc. etc, your only options are either to a) sit there and take it or b) quietly quit and find another job?
No. Make a complaint, hr, legal, whatever. If it fails to gain traction, move on if the pros of the employment don't outweighs the cons.
That's exactly what the UT players are doing, but that sure doesn't jibe with your first comment. Do you enjoy arguing so dishonestly?
All he’s really saying is,”shut up and dribble!”
To be fair that's what the players are doing - I haven't really seen or heard of any players en masse boycotting the postgame song, they're just saying that it's kinda fucked up they're being asked to do it. From the article.
“They said y'all don't have to sing it. But y’all have to stay on the field. Y’all have to go over there and at least show fans appreciation for coming out and watching you guys play,” said junior linebacker DeMarvion Overshown in a Tuesday phone interview.
Really leaning into the username.
Institutions change when they are forced to. Staying within the institution and demanding change can be an effective tool It shouldn’t be the players who are forced to choose between a university they care about and their dignity.
I'm not defending racism, but
It certainly sounds like you are
I'm acknowledging that it's there and usually can't be remedied. If that's what people here think is defending, then you can believe that.
Saying that racism isn't worth addressing or fighting against certainly sounds like you're trying to give racism a free pass to exist
You are unfit. But username checks out!!!
I'm downvoting you for arguing that these athletes should be forced to sing this stupid song at all.
I would fall under the category of people who were called racist and changed my mind. I had a student tell me I was being racist, I was, when I asked for help reflecting with other teachers they all told me I wasn't. But over time I realized he was right and I learned how to evaluate my behaviors so that I was being consistent from student to student.
That didn't happen overnight, but it does happen and it happens more than we think it does.
>officials suggested not performing the act could impact their job prospects after graduating.
They were never going to hire them in the first place, they should have given them the middle finger.
Excellent point.
If you have a such a problem with them not singing the song, you probably have problems with them based on other, um, factors.
I was reading the longer piece on this yesterday and they included some student revisions to the lyrics with the title and melody intact. Seems like a fair compromise to me, although that's what our country is collectively the worst at right now.
A compromise is no longer an option these days.
Thanks BB, I appreciate your perspective.
I feel like the rhetoric around 'unity' is out of control. We will never achieve, and I'd argue, never had, unity in our country regarding politics. To strive for something unattainable is a waste of time. The only way to move the country/culture forward is by compromise. Who's willing to give up a little of their idioligy to move forward?
Unfortunately, we seem to view compromise as giving up and our pride and ego really struggle with any perceived failure.
Cheers
Are any of them DTs?
or CBs?
Or coach? After last night seems like we should in the market for a new men’s basketball coach...