A Thought on Shea

Submitted by vanarbor on December 1st, 2019 at 5:21 PM

I’m seeing a lot of people bash Shea on social media for yesterday. I’m sure most of you understand how ridiculous that is. So to follow on that I had I thought which I wasn’t sure where to put:

I think Michigan may have hurt Shea’s future more than Shea has affected Michigan. It doesn’t matter what quarterback we had, we would still be in an equally bad position we are now. Shea’s had 6 losses in his UM career. There little to no chance even a Joe Burrow type player would’ve beaten OSU with the defense allowing 62 and 56 points, or Wisconsin when they had 300+ yards rushing, or Florida scoring 40+. Considering he played well vs ND last year and PSU this year, I wouldn’t shoulder those two on him either. Now from Shea’s perspective, he had to go through two new offenses in two years with no consistency, and we all saw what he could do in Gattis’ offense when things are clicking as he’s had 3 straight 300 yard+ passing performances. And then you have the perception that our receivers were elite and NFL bound (which I thought so too), when clearly we’ve seen that they disappear in big games like vs OSU and PSU.

I might be more biased because I’ve always liked Shea more than most, and granted he’s had a couple of really bad games here (vs Army is the most striking), but I’d feel bad for him that he didn’t transfer to a more competent program that gave him more of a chance to succeed and beat rivals.

Hopefully that next year, Joe and/or Dylan are given much better opportunities to win big games and show out. At the end of the day, Shea has definitely been an above average QB for UM, but won’t be remembered for anything really as a result of these things. 

freelion

December 1st, 2019 at 8:47 PM ^

Agree but don't fumble and score 7 there and it's a 21-20 game. There would have a been much different tone - especially if we then get the defensive stop and don't go offsides. We could have actually had a lead at the half instead of chasing from 2-3 tds behind in the 3rd quarter. Those 2 mistakes along with the missed XP which I contend was a big morale deflator completely changed the complexion of the game.

Mo Better Blues

December 1st, 2019 at 9:24 PM ^

I agree with freelion here. When you’re the underdog against a team of OSU’s calibre, you basically have to play mistake-free for 60 mins., not just to keep pace with them, but for yourself, to maintain the idea that you’re “on”; you’re playing against mortals and you can beat them. The missed PAT was a bad omen and you could see it happening in slow motion, literally, with the clock winding down. I’d also add the two consecutive missed DPIs that killed our drive and were followed up by a Buckeye TD. The offsides resulting in a 1st down added to that general feeling of futility, and by the end of the first half, the margin of error was now incredibly thin. With a bunch of drops in the 3rd, it was clear with almost half the game left that this just wasn’t going to happen.

[Edit: But I certainly and obviously wouldn’t put the loss on Shea. “Mistake-free” in reality, is all but impossible. You have to be able to play past it, which he did. It hurt us, bad, but Shea had a great game otherwise. The loss was truly cumulative. Just so goddamn unfortunate.]

spider-sal

December 1st, 2019 at 5:48 PM ^

Thought overall he was good. He was making throws and the drops weren’t his fault. Only negative that really sticks out is his running, either decisions or lack of. First 80% of last year he was running a lot and very effectively. Not the case this year as he rarely ran. And yesterday when he did pull it, it seemed like all he wanted to do was get the sideline safely. I was hoping he was saving himself for this game and would run like crazy but not the case. I don’t know what happened to his running game.

LDNfan

December 1st, 2019 at 5:54 PM ^

I'm pretty certain he was injured early in the year (like from the very first snap of the season) and that limited him and the rest of the offense. I believe had he been healthy (and not been so prone to turnovers early in the season) the offense comes together earlier and his numbers on the season would have been off the charts. 

The change in offense was exactly what he needed to really shine..but the early injury and turnovers held him and the O back. 

SunDiegoBlue

December 1st, 2019 at 5:54 PM ^

The guy had four offenses in four years. That’s tough on anyone.  
 

In the two biggest games of the year his receivers develop a case of hot potato with the ground. 
 

feel bad for the guy. I hope he gets in the league and shows out!!!! 

justthinking

December 1st, 2019 at 7:44 PM ^

Agree that he was injured from the first play of the season and it absolutely effected his passing and especially his running game, which I thought was excellent last season. 

Dude was tearing OSU up for large chunks in the first half yesterday. Too bad the wheels fell off in the second half. Glad he came to Michigan and I hope he has a record Bowl game to go out a winner. 

Zerodarkwolverine

December 1st, 2019 at 5:54 PM ^

I agree. Shea is a great young man who did his best for our program. We all should hold him in high esteem. Yesterday was not his fault. If you watch that young man after the game you can tell he'd been crying his eyes out. He bleeds blue. I think he'd be a great backup in New Orleans for the Saints. 

Hotel Putingrad

December 1st, 2019 at 5:58 PM ^

I like Shea, I've always liked Shea.

He's a good kid and a good quarterback.

I hope he gets to go out with a great bowl game performance, and I wish him well in his next endeavor, whatever and wherever that may be.

umchicago

December 1st, 2019 at 5:59 PM ^

shae was a mediocre QB here up until the past month or so, although his play was not the cause of any of our losses the past two years.

he has been very good the past several games.  he gave us a legit shot to hang with osu on the scoreboard, unfortunately our WRs were downright awful.  their poor play cost us the chance to keep the game close.  but it was the D that gave us zero chance at winning this game.

kudos to shae to keep fighting and improving his game up until the end of his career.

Neversatisfied

December 1st, 2019 at 6:00 PM ^

Love Shea's progression as a player, and his leadership on and off the field. Was excited when he transferred here, and really respect him as a "Michigan Man". Wish him the best in his future endeavors, snd really felt all along he was the best QB we had. 

MaizenBlue93

December 1st, 2019 at 6:00 PM ^

Shea was fine; definitely Harbaugh's second best at Michigan, and one of the only players that actually showed up yesterday. I like him, but I also think he should've been benched after the PSU game in order to have a smoother transition into next season. 

A Lot of Milk

December 1st, 2019 at 6:38 PM ^

He would probably say Rudock, but I don't see it

Jake had one season against mostly easy competition and pretty much lost us the first game at Utah. Didn't do enough to beat Sparty or OSU. Feasted on awful Indiana and Florida teams

Shea was better over two years but won't get the credit because of receiver drops and his slow start due to injury this year

maizedNblued

December 1st, 2019 at 7:33 PM ^

Rudock was certainly solid - had more completions and a higher completion percentage. I think people get caught up in that was JH's first year so everyone was excited about the prospects of the future especially after going 10-3. I think overall Patterson was a better QB but it is certainly close. 

TVG_2.0

December 1st, 2019 at 6:01 PM ^

Shea’s had a decent career here. He was decent last year, and both dreadful and good this year. He is what he is, a decent QB. Nothing against him, but he was never a QB that was going to go out and win us a game. He did play well on Saturday tho. Feel bad for him but hopefully people will see our WR aren’t as elite as we all thought. 

Neversatisfied

December 1st, 2019 at 6:02 PM ^

I'm also not really cool with arm chair QBs ripping up U of M ambassadors on social media. I get it, I really do, but I think its tacky as hell and really indicative of poor character. It's a bad look. 

jackw8542

December 1st, 2019 at 6:20 PM ^

He stuck in there and did his best, of that I am certain. That is really all we can ask of our players. I wish him success in whatever he does and appreciate what he did for my university.

outsidethebox

December 1st, 2019 at 6:22 PM ^

QB is the most difficult position to play in sports and, indeed, he was confronted with a variety of challenging circumstances. Unfortunately, for the most part, Shea did not play as well as was reasonably expected. You, OP, register some good points but you forfeit all of them and go over the cliff when you state that he was not given enough of a chance to succeed. While there was plenty of incompetence in this tale too much of it was directly upon his shoulders. Shea's leash was way too long and the unfairness here was to the team and the next men up/behind him. 

That being said, there's a lot to like about Shea-he was/is a fine representative of the University of Michigan and it remains unclear what his talent ceiling is. However, as a Michigan football player he was, even in his best games, only "good". While I do not believe he will play on Sunday I would be thrilled to see him persevere and make the big stage.

MRunner73

December 1st, 2019 at 6:24 PM ^

Agreed, Shea like most starting Michigan QBs going back to before the year 2000 have been overly criticized. It is very difficult to name those who weren't. I can only think of Drew Henson since the year 2000. Then there's John Navarre. How many games did he lose as a starter?

As for Shea, he will leave a good legacy in the end, like a John Navarre. One thing I see in all of us who have been critical of Shea is he needed to Heisman front runner all season long, carry the team on his back, make unreal plays with his arm and feet. Perhaps a bar too high to clear.

It would be like telling a high jumper to be first ever to clear 8 feet or else your a dog and don't deserve to be on the team.

So Milton and or McCaffrey need to be that very special someone like a Burrow or Fields not only in September but through October and November and be front page national headlines. To that I say-Good Luck.

MLG2908

December 1st, 2019 at 6:28 PM ^

Some adversity and exposure to different offenses does not necessarily destroy a college quarterback's opportunities to have success at the next level.  In fact, it may better prepare a QB to develop and compete in the NFL.   

Tom Brady's record as a starter at Michigan was 20 and 5.  He excelled in two bowl games, but failed to be selected until the 6th round of the NFL draft.  Despite these disadvantages, Brady has a record of NFL success that is second to none.

I hope Shea will lead Michigan to a dominating victory in a bowl game.  If he does, this may be a springboard to a better opportunity to play in the NFL.

b618

December 1st, 2019 at 6:30 PM ^

Shea Patterson in just 2 years at Michigan

#8 in passing yards (between Harbaugh and Brady)
#6 in touchdowns (tied with Gardner)
#8 in completions (between Harbaugh and Robinson)

Leader in passing efficiency.  Lowest # of interceptions.  #2 in yards per game.

And there is still a bowl game to go.

Gucci Mane

December 1st, 2019 at 6:40 PM ^

He is a good bowl game away from 2nd most passing yards in a season. The guy is really good. Once the offense got fixed mid way through the season he has been great. I can respect the opinion that he isn’t elite and maybe not good enough to beat the best teams by himself. But who is ? Maybe 2-5 guys ? People expect perfection and then act like anything else is total failure. McCaffrey or Milton better be incredibly or people will start to call for the other. 

Gucci Mane

December 2nd, 2019 at 2:54 AM ^

Switch defensive lines and I believe we win the game. Our DTs were a huge problem. I like the DEs and believe Hinton and Smith will eventually be good players, but Kemp is not great and Dwumfour isn’t the DT type to be good against the run. 

Hotroute06

December 1st, 2019 at 6:34 PM ^

He started the year horribly but after the 1st half of Penn state he became totally solid and gave us some good memories.

I'm not puting the Ohio state loss on him.  

 

A Lot of Milk

December 1st, 2019 at 6:42 PM ^

Nor should you. That was maybe his best game of the year given opponent strength. Over 300 yards passing on a defense that hadn't given up 300 total yards in a game going into yesterday. Could've had maybe 100 more and another td if all the drops are caught. Sadly his biggest mistake was a dropped snap. And how fitting it is that a season of improvement reverts back to a careless fumble like the first play of the year. Agonizing

b618

December 1st, 2019 at 6:52 PM ^

If it were Ohio State, the ball would have bounced back up into his hands while at the same time distracting defenders, facilitating a subsequent touchdown throw.

Instead, for wont of 200 milliseconds of attention, it dropped like a stone and was immediately kicked by the shuffling feet of a lineman right into the hands of a f-ing Ohio State player.

Tuebor

December 1st, 2019 at 6:45 PM ^

I'm apathetic toward Shea.

He was supposed to be a two year mercenary to take us to the next level.

 

In hindsight I would have preferred to see McCaffrey start the past two years and Milton get in when McCaffrey was hurt.  Or even Peters could have been the primary backup to McCaffrey last year.

b618

December 1st, 2019 at 6:55 PM ^

Yeah, who can get excited about this:

Leader in passing efficiency.
Lowest # of interceptions.
#2 in yards per game.
And in just 2 years of play:
#8 in passing yards (between Harbaugh and Brady)
#6 in touchdowns (tied with Gardner)
#8 in completions (between Harbaugh and Robinson)

Blueblood80

December 1st, 2019 at 6:55 PM ^

Shea played his ass off, doing all he could.  He loves U of M so don’t “feel bad” for him.

The guy is a fighter and competitor and a great representative of the university. I’m sad to see him go but look forward to the opportunities for the next qb to step up.  Whoever that is, has some big shoes to fill.

Sambojangles

December 1st, 2019 at 6:58 PM ^

Unless I'm forgetting something, Shea is the first QB to start every game for 2 years since Chad Henne. That's pretty impressive on it's own. He also beat MSU twice, which also hadn't been done since the Carr days. He brought stability into the program and generally put us in position to win games. He gets some collateral anger that the coaches and universe in general probably deserve more than he does, and in a different situation we would probably remember him more fondly. 

mp2

December 1st, 2019 at 6:59 PM ^

I haven’t been paying close attention to the boards after that yesterday. It didn’t seem like Shea was a major factor in the loss. People are blaming him? Crazy. 
 

Having a big time DT would have gone much further in getting a W than having an outstanding QB. A great QB can’t prevent drops. Need that shored up more than getting a higher performing QB. 

uncle leo

December 1st, 2019 at 7:11 PM ^

Shea impressed me with how well he played recently.

But stats are very misleading. At one point, John Navarre broke all school records. Would you say he's the best Michigan QB of all time?

When all is said and done, he was a solid QB for Michigan. Did some good, did some bad. Was very erratic and turned the ball over way more than he should have. Left the pocket way too quick. But also had some nice moments.

But I'm sorry, saying he's one of the best QBs Michigan has ever had? Na. Can't do it.

MGoStrength

December 1st, 2019 at 7:18 PM ^

IMO we looked ugly early because of the offense and Shea in addition to not stopping the run.  Late in the year I don't think Shea was the problem.  The problem in the OSU game was a combination of the lack of running game, defensive scheme, and defensive talent.  The o-line couldn't create holes.  Charbonnet will be good for a number of years.  We had a very good o-line recruiting class last year. 

We also couldn't stop the run or be able to matchup at safety.  Hinton, Mazi, Dax Hill, and Quinton Johnson were good pickups last year.  The problem is we just don't have enough of them or we have one good class and don't follow it up with another.  We need top 8 classes every single year.  It can't be 6-8 one year and 12-20 the next.  The miss rate is too high to compete.  That always leaves a weak position on the field that a team like OSU will exploit because they have so much talent.  Or we can't overcome an injury.  We need to stockpile every year.  If every 4-5 star guy panned out it'd be fine, but they don't.  We just need more talent.  We can't have years outside the top 10 in recruiting or have so many kids transfer.  We'll never make up the ground when OSU signs a top 3 class every year.

A Lot of Milk

December 1st, 2019 at 8:44 PM ^

Cherry picking a rain game against ND where we intentionally ran the ball the entire time is rich when you leave out MSU and Indiana, both of which have better defenses than ND and both of which Shea lit up

And what stats are you looking at for OSU? That he had more passing yards than every single team OSU has played this year has had TOTAL yards? He had maybe two or three bad passes and that fumble but was consistently let down by his receivers in the second half. 

Bluedream

December 1st, 2019 at 8:05 PM ^

Shea had a different OC each of his 4 years. Not easy to have as much success as he did given those circumstances. 

thats 4 languages in 4 years. 
 

User -not THAT user

December 1st, 2019 at 8:10 PM ^

I would have liked to have him for four years with the current OC.  He’s not a bad quarterback and probably deserves a better career than he ended up with, but hating on him is like hating Threatt/Sheridan.  They did the best they could, but sometimes you just can’t overcome coaching.