So, what DO you think the issue is?

Submitted by JDeanAuthor on September 8th, 2019 at 3:21 PM

Seriously, all snark and witty jabs aside, what is it about our play this year that you think is the issue?

Let me start with this: I find it highly difficult, if not outright impossible, to believe that Harbaugh can't coach, as a few hot-take addicts here have stated.  The man took three other horrendous teams (2 college, 1 NFL) and turned them into winners in his tenure.  And unlike the defenseless Rich Rod teams or the more-losses-each-year Hoke teams, Harbaugh has held Michigan steady at 10 wins three out of the last four seasons, and the 2017 season with 8 wins, while not great, had reasons that I believe went beyond Harbaugh himself. So the man isn't an idiot at coaching.  You MIGHT make an argument that the man has yet to be an elite coach, but he's not a bumbling fool either, as his record indicates.

And I point out too that, as bad as it has been, we've played from behind and won.  I can't think of that happening too many times under Rich Rod or Hoke. Believe it or not, playing from behind does help to build confidence and resiliency in players.  I prefer to be up many scores before the half too, but playing from behind is good in teaching players that they can stay in the game and gain the lead back. 

So what is it?  

Is it the new offense?  Harbaugh's an old-school football man; is he having trouble relating to what Gatiss wants to install?

Is it health?  Rumor was that Shea wasn't 100 percent yesterday. That doesn't excuse everything, but it would explain a few things.

Is it just lack of ball security that's amplifying everything? Personally, that's my take; I think if that's fixed, a lot of these other woes go away, but I'm willing to entertain other ideas.

Share your thoughts, especially if you've watched the game a second time.    I look forward to good football analysis; it's what we're here for, right? :D

Pelini's Cat

September 8th, 2019 at 6:23 PM ^

every time Michigan has a bad offensive game people just jump to the message board to bemoan "playcalling" and can't make any actual specific complaints. Michigan fumbled away three drives and had a touchdown taken away. if one of those three doesn't happen they win in regulation against a team in a way that we all expected preseason given the incredibly annoying style of opponent. If they're going to fumble three times a game and shea is going to be hurt all season, yeah, that'll be a problem. if not, they'll be fine. people need to calm the fuck down. they're 2-0 which is better than we could say last year for a team that was objectively the best in the B1G for 11 games. 

AlbanyBlue

September 8th, 2019 at 6:57 PM ^

I think the issue is you shouldn't have started this topic. It's been beaten to death.

But anyway, my answer is that the problems are mostly on the coaches.

In recruiting, we have settled for too many fair-to-middling guys. Not sure if it's the constraints or academic requirements at Michigan or coaches not putting in the work or just not being great recruiters. We have too many "just guys" on this team.

In practice, the coaches have made every QB in the system worse. The coaches don't do enough to fix the mental errors. We have heard a lot about "putting steel in the spine", but the team shows the opposite - they are not mentally tough, and it shows.

In games, the coaches are also mentally fragile, making bad decisions in EOH and other situations and going back to an overly conservative gameplan that has cost us games in the past. When you only win a small fraction of your "big" games, that is clear evidence of fragility.

I'm ready to say that I hate this coaching staff. I suppose Gattis deserves some time, but everyone else has made Michigan football one of the most unenjoyable, unwatchable things out there for me. I'd be fine if Harbaugh left.

jdemille9

September 8th, 2019 at 7:01 PM ^

Michigan football is cursed. Plain and simple. We have talented athletes, and a talented coach who has proven himself at both college and the NFL levels.

Only logical explanation here is Michigan football is cursed, I blame climate change. 

Sten Carlson

September 8th, 2019 at 7:02 PM ^

I was 100% certain that we'd see Dylan in the 2nd half yesterday I came to the conclusion that, maybe  Dylan might be 100% either.  If you have BOTH your starter and back-up QB's hurt, what do you do?  You run your stud RB 33 times, play defense, and hope for the best.  Add to that two (more) fumbles and a TD removed from the board and you've got what we had yesterday. 

There is no way that Harbaugh was calling plays yesterday -- he didn't even have a play sheet in his hands.  The offensive staff had to come up with a plan to deal with the injuries to the OL, QB, and WR.  It was ugly for sure.  But, there were still plays there to be made.  Players got to catch the ball, and not fumble.  Even with the ugly play calling if the players had executed the plays that were there it wouldn't have been as close as it was.

StirredNotShaken

September 8th, 2019 at 7:03 PM ^

Shea spent too much time on the golf course this summer and not enough time with Gattis watching film and studying the playbook. Josh Gattis thinks this is the issue as well or he wouldn't have said so in his first fall presser. 

Blueblood80

September 8th, 2019 at 7:05 PM ^

Turnovers and the challenge of changing to a an entirely new offense is what your seeing.  Don’t over think it.  Hopefully they can get the offense dialed in quickly!

I think I remember Meyer (or someone) on Fox saying how fast they can move to a spread offense (and do it well) will define how the season goes.  Hate to say it but It seems he is correct so far.

Are You Not En…

September 8th, 2019 at 7:35 PM ^

So many bitches on this site. Army is good. Look at OU last year. They’ll probably win out. A bad coach doesn’t adapt. He’s adapted every year. 2 live games integrating a system is not enough time. Especially when one game limits you to half the normal possessions and zero rhythm. Fumbles accounted for the majority of the stalls and are completely random. That will normalize. Harbaugh is by far the best coach we could have gotten and could currently have. For the love of god, STFU with constant whining because we’re not Clemson and Alabama yet. Before him this program was trash. 

UofM Die Hard …

September 8th, 2019 at 8:24 PM ^

All of our fumbles this year have turned into short field scores for the other team. Don’t turn the damn ball over.  That is the biggest thing.  

Defense is tight, coordinated, playing their asses off. Offense is sloppy as hell...and someone said it in another thread, if shea keeps playing like he was on a golf course all offseason, then make the hard call Coach and give the ball to Dylan.  

egrfree2rhyme

September 8th, 2019 at 8:31 PM ^

I think not letting Shea keep it on run plays is really hurting us.  Either let him keep it when it's wide open, or if we're that concerned about his health, just play McCaffrey and let Shea rest.  Oh and fumbles.  Fumbles are really hurting us.

 

consultant22

September 8th, 2019 at 8:55 PM ^

Given the consistent level of ineptitude with different players on offense, it starts with the coaching and since this is Harbaugh's side of the ball - it falls on him. 

Defensively - the gap in the middle of the defensive line is a major concern. Outside of the last drive of the game where Hutchinson made that big play, we did not have one defensive tackle blow up the option all game. That will kill the team against run heavy teams in the big ten. We need to have some Freshman step up in the two deep this year at that position. 

Globally - I think the issue is culture. Harbaugh is way too positive in my opinion and the team is soft with limited enforced accountability. I was at the game and it seems like the players just go through the motions pregame, whereas the Army team was practicing with a high level of intensity and togetherness. Motivation is half the battle in college sports and if the team doesn't practice with a high level of intensity and want to, then mistakes are magnified on game day. It seems like the team has been this way for awhile. 

Jalm

September 8th, 2019 at 9:01 PM ^

I feel like the offense is based on a strong QB running threat. Saturday it seemed like Shea was told to not pull it due to injury concerns even though the reads were there. We've seen him make those reads over and over previously.

In this case I'm surprised we didn't have an answer to a hurt QB with more creative runs instead of HB draw.  In the passing game seemed as if we always had a crossing route open and we had quite a few drops/close throws.

West Coast Struttin

September 8th, 2019 at 9:06 PM ^

Run it up the middle for 10 straight times (under 3 yards a carry average) to finish regulation.  Just piss poor turtling play calling.

They are lucky not to be 1-1 right now...& my optimism for the season went down the shitter yesterday. 

We go out against Osu in second half with a chance to take lead, gain momentum & who knows.?  Same run it up the middle turtling Bullshit as yesterday.

We won...but sure feels like a loss. Top notch coaching is a must to compete for championships. We're not seeing it right now - not even close.

Tun.Tavern.1775

September 8th, 2019 at 9:06 PM ^

Beginning of season rust is one thing - but missing passes that are in the hands is tough to look past. 

We do run plays too much and it’s not effective enough

We do not throw the ball anywhere near enough or far enough. We will fall short again this year. I wish I had a different mindset about the whole situation. 

 

 

Blue Warrior

September 8th, 2019 at 9:13 PM ^

Harbaugh is making millions of dollars, living in the city that he loves, and has more entitlement than the mayor. His fire has burned out and he is just riding a wave until his ass is fired. His teams are soft and not disciplined.....end of story.

bluegary

September 8th, 2019 at 9:38 PM ^

Maybe it’s Harbaugh. We keep changing o.c. And other assistant coaches. But the one constant is Harbaugh. It is the same old crap every year.

93Grad

September 8th, 2019 at 10:26 PM ^

Harbaugh just isn’t that good of a coach.  He rode Luck and luck to a few aberrational seasons.  Otherwise he is just okay and not at all what Michigan fans expected.  

Panther72

September 8th, 2019 at 10:34 PM ^

After logging every offensive play of that game I think the 1st half  calls were good. 18 throws and 16 runs. Second half became run heavy with 13 throws 22 runs. The reason for keeping the ball on the ground is time of possession. IMO, the coaches wanted the defense to not have to go right back and defend. Turnovers put he D on the field for more of the 1st half than they would have liked. Three turnovers meant three short drives in the 1st half with only 1 full drive for the offense The first drive of  3rd quarter the D looked fatigued. That would be enough reason to eat clock with the run. Though 6 runs went for little or no gains. they were spread out over the second half. The other 16 runs earned about 65 or so yards. I see an unusually different strategy applied to a very unusual team. The miscues were terrible but I don't fault the scheme. Some calls were missed but in the end, the D won  under the gun.

GET OFF YOUR H…

September 9th, 2019 at 8:40 AM ^

I said something over the summer about this.  Everyone on here was so convinced the defense wouldn't miss a beat and the offense would become a freaking rocket because of Gattis.  I simply said the concerns for you guys should be #1 how do you replace the defensive guys you lost last year (coaches included) and #2 how do you assume a guy who has never had control over an offense to come in and change the entire system, with players from an old system, and it's going to be magical?

I was labeled as a troll...but I was dead serious.  Just assuming that a glorified WR coach is going to revolutionize a 30 year old offense and there won't be issues was a bad idea.

BUT, it was Army...you won.  I'd say (for your own sake), just take that and move forward.  You are 2-0.  That's all that matters.  As a OSU fan I can describe a couple of seasons in the past two decades where it looked like we were going to get blown out in the Taxslayer.com bowl after a couple of regular season games and there are NC banners now hanging.  You guys need to not beat your chests so hard every year in the summer to then just turn on the team completely once you face a little adversity.

SMart WolveFan

September 9th, 2019 at 10:55 AM ^

No one here questioned that difficulty, we understood there would be transition cost.

I just think the fact that OSU had a ton more transition means UofM has the opportunity for the first time in a while to be the better team in November and have home field advantage, plus have a spot in the CFP to play for.

And that doesn't change based on the first two weeks when nobody has really shown much yet.

GET OFF YOUR H…

September 9th, 2019 at 11:05 AM ^

I think that's the problem though.  OSU didn't have the type of transition you had.  You are talking about an entirely new system with players brought in for an old system, with a guy that had never been in charge of running an offense in his entire life.  Coordinators are just as important, if not more, than the HC as far as on the field product in my opinion.  The HC is the face, and if done right a guy that delegates extremely well.  Sure, OSU dumped their entire defensive staff, but it had to happen.  But Day has been with the program, kept everyone that was succeeding on his staff, and isn't trying to reinvent the wheel.  Not to mention the completely overlooked fact that he ran fall camp last year and was acting HC for the first three games.

But I think you guys will be fine assuming Gattis is even close to what everyone expected.  It's just going to take some time.  I would be less worried about the offense right now and more worried about the defense.  You might be ok against Wisconsin, although going up there is rough.  You might be ok against MSU.  But teams like PSU, MD, and obviously ND and OSU are where your depth is going to be tested.  

skepticalguy90

September 9th, 2019 at 9:31 AM ^

Saw this on another site and thought it was interesting, especially the second half:

 

"This will probably get buried and be a waste of time but I have a few thoughts:

Say what you will about the play calling, the coaching, the performance of the QB’s, the fumbles. The problem Michigan has is one that I believe runs much deeper than any of this. It’s a sort of mental or psychological or spiritual deficiency.

I encourage those who are claiming Harbaugh took over the play calling to watch the coach cam of the Army game: https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=mJybu18SdQg

It looks pretty clear to me that he didn’t take over the play calling duties. You can check for yourself.

Now, may he have been involved in developing the offense to look more like his previous ones? Yes, perhaps. But everything I’ve heard from him on his podcast or in interviews seems to indicate he’s given Gattis the reigns.

What I have heard, however, is Gattis saying he wanted to make sure the offense still incorporated elements of “what we did well previously.” He said this ad nauseam throughout the offseason. So, perhaps, just perhaps, the play calling mistakes are the result of a highly inexperienced play caller and coordinator calling his second game ever. I don’t think it’s too far fetched.

It seems as though the meme that “looks like Harbaugh has taken back the play calling duties” just got repeated enough until now there are hundreds of posters here repeating that as though it’s a fact. I doubt this is true.

I don’t think, however, that this is good news. There’s a few possibilities: Gattis is suffering from some rookie mistakes, Gattis didn’t want to completely change the offense and incorporated too much of the precious offense, Gattis is under a lot of pressure and calling things extremely conservatively, or Gattis is a complete bust and the offense is shit and he sucks at play calling. I’m hoping it’s not the latter but it remains to be seen.

All of this is besides the point, though. Or maybe it’s part of the point. The bigger point.

The big point is that this team, this university, this athletic department, suffers from a giant psychological complex that will just not allow them to cross the threshold. At least in the major sports like Football, Basketball, and now Baseball. And at for the last decade or so. This spring, when the Men’s Baseball team reached the Championship game, how many of us just knew in our hearts that they wouldn’t close it? I sure felt it. Same with the Basketball team with Belein. We perennially come so close only to lose at the last moment.

I feel as though this has affected the teams in a significant way. Watching the first two football games it seems pretty clear that the team just has so little confidence in itself. Every single ball that’s an inch too high or that bounces off a receivers fingertips just adds to that ennui. Those tiny little things, that are probably largely determined by chance, just eat away at this team. Over and over and over.

I think the end result is the team that we saw against Army. I think in every facet that people are talking about you could sense the impact. The coaching, the play calling, the QB play, the fumbles, etc. They just seem to lack the extreme confidence and sureheadedness that other teams have.

How many times can we get all the way to the end of the football season, with one game between us and big ten championship, only to get blown the fuck up and crumble on the biggest stage? Or even worse, get tripped up on some controversial ref’s call. Or any other blunder like the “WOAH HE FUMBLES THE SNAP” shit. I think it slowly adds up to a toxic level of self doubt from which it is almost impossible to recover.

And the worst part is, I think it’s probably pretty natural for the coaches and players to feel that way. When you feel as though no matter how hard you try (and I do believe that they try extremely hard, I don’t think this is about a lack of effort or talent) that something unforeseen can happen and take it all away.

The thing is that, if this team and this coaching staff is going to succeed, they need to steel themselves way harder from that kind of thinking. And it’s tough to do, it’s probably not even on the conscious level. But you need to, to a certain extent, sort of dumb yourself down a little and just not think about it. You need to sincerely believe that you are the best, that you’re unstoppable, that nothing anyone could try to do could stop you. Not just like convince yourself of it like “Oh yeah we’re really good, very good athletes, great coaches, we practice hard—we should win.” But you need to think you’re the best, simply. That you will never lose. That you will never miss a pass. That you will never fumble. Etc. And you need to maintain that feeling even when those things happen.

I think this team lacks that. And that’s what I think is their ultimate problem. Like I said, sure there are problems with other stuff, but honestly I think most of them are informed by the same psychological deficiency. And I don’t know how they can fix it but someone needs to get everyone on board.

It felt that way when Jim got hired. And you could tell, even though we didn’t go undefeated or anything like that, the team felt that way too. You remember when Jim would fucking scream at the refs and throw his headset? There was intensity and passion and hope. And most of all, all of us—the fans, the school, the team, even probably Jim himself—felt like we were finally going to do it, that nothing could stop us now, etc. We had that necessary mental energy. But it’s gone now. Jim is placid on the sidelines. The players, most of whom are extremely talented and put in so much work, seem to have that gnawing sensation in the back of their head that they aren’t unstoppable, they aren’t unbeatable.

I hope they can figure it out. If they do, they could easily turn this around and go undefeated—they have the talent to do so. If they don’t, then I worry about nearly every game on the schedule."