So, what DO you think the issue is?

penalties turnov and NO offense to sepak ofers and absolutely STUPID mistakes

Turnovers and whatever is causing bad reads by Shea.  Two weeks of not threatening the outside with his legs has let opposing defenses key on the RB.  You have to create some doubt to slow down the D-Line and linebackers.

The cherry on top is dropped passes and untimely penalties.  The defense holding call yesterday was a killer.  Jackson has a great kick return to open the second half and it gets called back on a blocking penalty that I thought was bogus.

Turnovers, penalties, and dropped passes have little to do with coaching.  Players make the plays.  They are all things that can get cleaned up too.

if Shea is'nt 100 percent healthy then it's on Harbaugh for putting shea out there in a position to not succeed. if that is true dylan shouldve started yesterday to allow shea to recover. When you cant run half of the option play because your qb is injured then you're debilitating the entire offense. 

Harbaugh's chi is blocked.

The only thing original in your OP is the misspelling of Gattis. Nice job on that one. 

In descending order of importance:

-Turnovers, ESPECIALLY QB fumbles.

-QB trepidation.

-Sloppy WR fundamentals.

I’m convinced the issue is our fanbase.  Too much whining.

I think the problem is Harbaugh has a particular idea of how his offense should look, and no matter who he hires at OC the "DNA" of that will always be visible. In fact, who he hires at OC is significantly impacted by that vision. It's not like Josh Gattis was 'best OC' available (not even the most positive outlook could have made that claim with a straight face). He can't step back from offense the way he can from defense because it's the area where he has a vision.

The best case scenario we've seen of this vision was the last Stanford team he had in 2010. They were 9th in scoring offense and 14th in total offense in the country with a run-heavy offense (about 60% rushes). Their rushing game was reliably grinding teams down more than it was gashing them. They had a ridiculously efficient passing game though with Andrew Luck at the height of his powers. That offense relied a lot on Luck doing something meaningful with the limited passing attempts he was getting (which I do seem to recall matching the eye test then). 

I think Harbaugh is willing to make adjustments and tinker with the offense without losing his overall vision out of sight. Like Gattis wasn't going to implement a true spread, it was always going to be more of an add-on to what Harbaugh wants than a total revolution. The problem for me here is that Harbaugh's concept relies on near perfect execution by the O-Line *and* the QB. In his entire time here, we've never had both of these factors aligned so far.

And beyond that, I have significant doubts that the Harbaugh offense even when executed at a very high level is quite as good as what other top 10 programs are rolling out these days. It feels like when the run isn't totally gashing the opponent, every drive's success ultimately depends on the QB making 2 to 3 throws of medium-to-high difficulty down field. Compare that to some of the high octane offenses where drives go like knives through butter routinely primarily because of them utilizing passing spread concepts.

A couple things.  First, so far at least, Harbaugh's reputation at the "QB Whisperer" has not materialized.  Other than Rudock, he hasn't turned anyone into the QB that can lead this team to the Big Ten championship.  On paper, Patterson has the talent but he hasn't shown it so far.  He doesn't have very good pocket presence, holds onto the ball too often, and is not nearly accurate enough in his throws.  We won't win a title with him.  Without a really good QB, you can't win the Big Ten let alone get into the CFP.  Second, Harbaugh has shown questionable decision-making at times during games.  Not going for the FG when we were tied and were having trouble scoring on Saturday is a good example.  Also, he's had a number of bad clock management "episodes" in games that are not defendable.  I also can't put my finger on it but the team just seems to lack fire or intensity too often.  It doesn't seem to jive with Harbaugh's fiery reputation.  He's definitely toned things down from when he first got here and that may have something to do with it.  

If I had to pinpoint one issue, it is offensive line.  It has improved since Harbaugh got here, but we do not dominate from tackle to tackle.  We simply cannot impose our will on other teams like the cream of the crop across the country and like some vintage Michigan teams gone by.

It’s JH. He runs everything about the program. It lives and dies by him. 

And if shea is actually hurt, than Dylan isn’t worth a crap either if he can’t beat out a injured player. 

Marbles. 

Marbles?

Marbles. 

Honestly, all coaches and players need to sack the fuck up and start playing with confidence and aggression.

Can we borrow Lamar Jackson from the Ravens? 

That man is going off.

Harbaugh is an elite turn around guy. He took Michigan from dog shit to 10 wins, and he took Stanford from worse than dog shit to legit. However, he's also a guy who has won eleven games ONCE in his entire P5 coaching career, and he did it with a generational talent at QB. 

Harbaugh has never proven that he's able to get a college team to elite status (no, winning 10 regular season games in the Pac 10 isn't elite), and he's absolutely not shown that he can keep them there consistently.

We all hoped that he could do it, but it's year five and Harbaugh might just be a "turn around guy". If so, I'm really glad he turned around Michigan and I hope he hands it off to someone who can get those 11, 12, and 13 win seasons. 

No matter how many wins his teams have gotten, Michigan hasn't been consistently fun to watch for too long. 

Patterson.

There are a lot folks here who I suspect know more about strategy and tactics than I do, but what's jumped out at me is how few "easy" plays I see on offense, by which I mean pass plays where the receiver is clearly open (even it's a pitch and catch for a short/medium gain) or running play where there's clear hole at the line of scrimmage.  I don't expect to see those on every play or even on every set of downs, but it felt like in prior years we found openings in the opposing defense even against good teams on a more regular basis.  Now it feels like even successful plays require a great pass, or the running back making move starting right at the line.  I'm hoping that this is a transition cost to Gattis etc and/or a function of Shea being banged up -- both of which might be helped by a bye week.

Quarterback plays tentative and fearful of making mistakes resulting in single reads. Offense doesn't make blitzing teams pay.

Wrong Playcards.  Need this one instead:

Several random things I'm condsidering:

-Gattis isn't a good teacher (*but most reports tell of him as an excellent WR coach)

-OL is out if sorts with RS Freshman (*but we were told that Mayfield or Steuber would be an upgrade over JBB and Warriner's specialty was the spread)

-Harbaugh is heavily influencing playcalling (*he told us it would be all Gattis)

-Michigan football players are coddled too much and told how good they are before even playing a snap (*random thought)

-they still are not comfortable with the offense (*it was supposed to be simpler)

-Shea isn't what we though he was (*I like Shea, he has moments where he looks like the 5* but also has stretches where he freezes up and can't make decisions)

-Gattis doesn't know how to call plays (*but the new offense was supposed to take whatever the defense gave, all receivers live, RPO's, etc.)

I honestly have no idea but the Wisconsin game will show us if it was just a few things to iron out of if there actually were major problems.

Stop the excuses and stop blaming everyone and everything. The blame is on the HC period. Harbaugh has to fix his act. If he doesn’t by November many will be calling for his job. Saturday was a shit show but we survived. Great. Next is a Wisconsin that hasn’t given up a point this season. We better be ready for that.

Harbaugh is better than the last two coaches we had and arguably better than the one before that although he did have a NC. The board is toxic since yesterday and a lot of trolls out here. So I will be surprised if this topic would be better than the snowflake on coaching.

I wish I can be a fly on the wall to see what is going on in the coaches room. But...

I think Shea is hurt. I also think Shea needed more practice with the new offense and hence he played yesterday. I will not be surprised if Shea lights it up in a few weeks once he gets the hang of it.

Not having DPJ is huge. I wish the freshmen have stepped. Bell has limitations. Punt is very important and the slot hasn't been explosive.

We need Runyan back. We can't have two new tackles.

Shea is loose with the ball. I believe it is fixable. She wants a big play Everytime. He has to believe that the WRs will get more YAC. Until we are in the top 20 in YAC, I do not believe we are really doing #SpeefInSpace. I think we will get there when DPJ is back.

I like our offense and I think Gattis will get better as the year goes on with playcalling. For the first time in a long time I believe we have an offense that can be explosive although the outcome of the last two games doesn't show that to the fullest extent.

The idea that Harbaugh should stop coaching offense is ridiculous. There are things Gattis can learn from Harbaugh. The notion that Harbaugh is middling is stupid. This is his damn team. We don't want a CEO. No good coach is a CEO. Look at Meyer, Saban or others. 

I like this team even though I was very disappointed yesterday.

It’s the combined coaching staff - which is entirely Harbaugh’s. Historically good consistent recruiting that constantly underachieves. This is all on Harbaugh’s inability to motivate players and develop a successful game plan. 

The Harbaugh apologists always want to create excuses for him be it “new offense” or injuries or new staff members.  

The only consistent entity for the past failures is Harbaugh.

One issue that no one talks about is Ruiz is struggling to start the season this year. There does not seem to be much of a push from the interior and I understand they're getting hit with 8 man front sometimes,  but seems If he is confused or  too much on his plate in terms of schemes. I also think Shea is skiddish because Hayes and Mayfield while not being totally beat seem to be getting put in his lap a lot.

Essentially, we need to see a reformat of the UoM posture during this Bye.  They look the part but simply are not getting it done out there.  I feel so horrible that our team seems to be cursed year in and year out.  I'm not with the annual "this is our year... /we'll get it done next year..." group either.  If we can't do it (beat OSU) this year with a senior QB and the current level of experience/talent, then it simply is not ever going to happen.  With that, under the current coaching staff and administration, this is as far as we'll ever enjoy as a team.  My biggest fear with this year's iteration of the Wolverines?  We take multiple steps back as far as wins.  We could easily take in 5 losses this year if the opposing coaches/teams are watching the tapes close enough and Michigan sticks to this current scheme.

No swagger or confidence. The whole program from the admin to the team to the fans has been in a malaise for 20 years. It’s fear based and requires a certain recklessness to fix that the culture at UM won’t tolerate. Almost on to it with the Rich Rod hire, but that experiment was dead on arrival as half the team left or quit. And he got no support. Les Miles would have been interesting, but nope, go safe with Brady Hoke. Now it’s Harbaughs chance. But it feels like Jim has been neutralized by the culture as well. This is Michigan is restraining. So we play not to lose. Don’t risk turnovers. Don’t play your backup QB for fear that it could create controversy. Don’t grant fans access or allow media too close for fear that the access could cause undo criticism. Its too bad that Michigan football is no longer fun. The program is driving a minivan with their hands at 10 and 2 at all times. Tell me you don’t love the “turnover chain” at Miami. Or the balls to bench your QB at halftime of a national title game for a freshman like saban did. Harbaugh was not under such constraints anywhere else. We fret over games against Army, we feel like OSU will destroy us and lose hope. Just make football fun and entertaining again. Yesterday was miserable. No swagger, no confidence, just an aging program at their 20 year reunion with a minivan and 30 extra lbs.