So, what DO you think the issue is?
Seriously, all snark and witty jabs aside, what is it about our play this year that you think is the issue?
Let me start with this: I find it highly difficult, if not outright impossible, to believe that Harbaugh can't coach, as a few hot-take addicts here have stated. The man took three other horrendous teams (2 college, 1 NFL) and turned them into winners in his tenure. And unlike the defenseless Rich Rod teams or the more-losses-each-year Hoke teams, Harbaugh has held Michigan steady at 10 wins three out of the last four seasons, and the 2017 season with 8 wins, while not great, had reasons that I believe went beyond Harbaugh himself. So the man isn't an idiot at coaching. You MIGHT make an argument that the man has yet to be an elite coach, but he's not a bumbling fool either, as his record indicates.
And I point out too that, as bad as it has been, we've played from behind and won. I can't think of that happening too many times under Rich Rod or Hoke. Believe it or not, playing from behind does help to build confidence and resiliency in players. I prefer to be up many scores before the half too, but playing from behind is good in teaching players that they can stay in the game and gain the lead back.
So what is it?
Is it the new offense? Harbaugh's an old-school football man; is he having trouble relating to what Gatiss wants to install?
Is it health? Rumor was that Shea wasn't 100 percent yesterday. That doesn't excuse everything, but it would explain a few things.
Is it just lack of ball security that's amplifying everything? Personally, that's my take; I think if that's fixed, a lot of these other woes go away, but I'm willing to entertain other ideas.
Share your thoughts, especially if you've watched the game a second time. I look forward to good football analysis; it's what we're here for, right? :D
September 8th, 2019 at 11:04 PM ^
The not putting stuff on film thing needs to die. We needed to win against army and we almost lost. We had Peppers and that shit stunk horribly. It can’t be used an excuse bc it never turns into anything.
September 8th, 2019 at 5:36 PM ^
You really think the only reason OSU is getting better recruits is because they cheat? Do you think Alabama has to pay a kid to get him to choose them over us?
When they subpoenaed Urban’s texts, they actually showed he refused to recruit a kid because he was looking for a payment or some other benefit that wasn’t allowed. - we may not have the depth they do, but our first 22 can match up with OSU.
September 8th, 2019 at 7:20 PM ^
And I suppose Army cheats?
September 9th, 2019 at 1:14 AM ^
Did army cheat?
September 8th, 2019 at 5:25 PM ^
Let me get this straight, we get top 5-10 classes every year, but Bama and Clemson cheat so we will never be elite? Do we need to cheat to not almost lose to Freaking Army? Do you really believe that they “practice all day” at Bama? Is this shit for real? This type of nonsense is why we get laughed at by other fan bases.
September 8th, 2019 at 5:35 PM ^
Are you implying that the teams that beat us cheat? It took 2 OT’s to beat Army, did they cheat? When we lose to Wisconsin is it because they cheated? Brandon Peters was coached by JH for years and couldn’t preform well. He has been at Illinois for 6 months and is looking like a late round NFL draft pick.
September 8th, 2019 at 11:44 PM ^
Peters has 7 tds to Peters 3 on the year also.
September 8th, 2019 at 5:38 PM ^
Ah yes - the "we don't cheat therefore we suffer" hot take. An Harbaugh apologists bread n butter. Give me god damn break. Top tier talent throughout the squad. So sick of the execuses.
September 8th, 2019 at 6:07 PM ^
Good take Bo Harbaugh. But I am going to be the guy to point out that Uncle Urban did NOT run a clean program at OSU, as he participated in enabling domestic violence. Nothing clean about that whatsoever. If anything, that is dirtier than anything Saban has done.
September 8th, 2019 at 8:59 PM ^
I'm so fed up with all this "they're all cheaters" talk. This is victim mentality. I can't stand this loser talk.
September 9th, 2019 at 1:11 AM ^
Does army cheat? Harbaugh’s average team ranking is 17, not exactly knocking on playoff door.
September 8th, 2019 at 4:11 PM ^
Um, we aren’t running his “archaic” offense. This offense is all kinds of modern.
September 8th, 2019 at 4:35 PM ^
In a tie game at home against fucking army they ran the ball 10 straight times for 24 yards to close out regulation. There is nothing modern about that. No one else is doing stupid shit like that.
September 8th, 2019 at 5:17 PM ^
And then Shea Patterson threw 3 straight incompletions in OT. Modern enough?
September 8th, 2019 at 6:03 PM ^
That's not an honest representation, to be fair. He missed Nico on 1st down for an easy TD yes, then Black dropped a very catchable pass on 2nd.
The plays are there, just like they were in the first game, team just isn't executing well at all. Shea misses open guys, WR's drop passes when it is a decent throw, OL/RB misses a pickup and Shea fumbles/gets sacked. Transition is not near where we all expected it to be.
September 8th, 2019 at 5:53 PM ^
2010 Wisconsin would like to have a word with you.
September 9th, 2019 at 1:07 AM ^
Does army cheat? So tired of that excuse.
September 8th, 2019 at 3:30 PM ^
All of the above? Seriously though, Shea's health and ball security.
If Shea's healthy, half of the QB options are kept and he picks up serious yardage on the ground but because it looks like he's not, he's handing off into horrible reads which are going for no gains, at best.
If they hold onto the ball, these past two games are nowhere near close. Even for the fact that 4 of the 5 regulation time TD's that the defense has given up have been directly after turnovers, giving them a shortened field to defend. That'd be great alone but it's also killing any type of mini-momentum the offense might have.
September 8th, 2019 at 3:50 PM ^
This. The turnovers are killing us. Fix that, get Shea healthy and good things will happen.
September 9th, 2019 at 1:21 AM ^
Year 5. Sloppiest team in america. Turnovers and penalties
September 8th, 2019 at 3:50 PM ^
If Shea isn't healthy, why isn't DCaf QBing?
September 8th, 2019 at 4:11 PM ^
This is the important question. If Patterson is limited you have to put Dylan in and see what he's got. He is your #2-put him in.
September 8th, 2019 at 4:12 PM ^
Out of camp the 2 qb's were supposed to be neck and neck.
September 8th, 2019 at 4:27 PM ^
That’s my biggest puzzlement. The only thing I can think of is:
1) McCaffrey isn’t that good, or
2) Is somehow being punished for something, or
(Most likely IMO)
3) Milton is terrible, they plan to run the shit out of the QBs during bigger games, & they are terrified of going into those bigger games with effectively 1 healthy QB able to run with zero competent backups.
As a result, they’re keeping both Shea & McCaffrey from running the ball until Shea gets closer to 100% healthy. And since the schedule doesn’t present a challenging Big Ten East opponent for several weeks, they’re willing to risk limiting the offense for several of these games to boost the odds of a fully healthy Shea & McCaffrey for the bigger games.
I got bombed in the other thread for saying it, but look at how the schedule sets up in terms of resting guys who are injured. We now have a bye week & then admittedly though Wisconsin. They may risk opening it up against them, but the week immediately after is Rutgers (basically a bye week). Then Iowa (who may or may not be good), then Illinois.
So bottom line is, I think a huge % of this problem is injuries & turnovers—with injuries being at least directly responsible for some of the turnovers. And because the schedule sets up the way it does, I think the offensive play calling is being significantly impacted in many of these non marquee games by an effort to maximize the health of Shea & to preserve the health of McCaffrey for many of the tougher match ups.
September 8th, 2019 at 6:03 PM ^
I really see no reason for posting baseless speculation that Dylan McCaffrey is being disciplined.
Much more likely is that Harbaugh stubbornly believed yesterday that we could out-talent Army. But Army quickly recognized that Shea simply wasn't healthy enough to fully run an RPO offense and therefore keyed on Charbonet.
Thank God our defense made just enough stops to bail out Harbaugh.
September 8th, 2019 at 7:32 PM ^
The defense part per usual Rob
September 8th, 2019 at 4:29 PM ^
Maybe it was a close game and they felt like they needed the veteran QB over the younger guy? Just a thought ...
September 8th, 2019 at 4:05 PM ^
Ditto this.
Plus, I think some of the turnovers are directly linked to injuries. Hayes had some issues against Army whereas I think Runyan when he returns will be more solid.
I think the reason Shea isn’t taking better care of the ball is at least partly because his hurt ribs/obliques makes it hard to tightly tuck/cradle the ball between his arm & body.
September 8th, 2019 at 6:09 PM ^
Then why play him when Coach said QBs were neck and neck out of camp?
September 8th, 2019 at 3:30 PM ^
In watching the game I just do not see much from speed in space. I was not expecting a dramatic change but at one point a straight handoff occurred on 8 straight plays. If it’s working great, but clearly it was not. We had zero wide receiver screen or even showed a glimpse of what we saw from spring game. I was shocked as we have been so resistant to use our superior athletes to expose less athletic teams. I am hoping the by week is a reset for the team. We have the players and the coaches I believe it can only go up from here. Best Wisconsin
September 8th, 2019 at 3:42 PM ^
I know we've said this in years past, but I get the feeling (stop laughing ya'll) that we are actually holding something back this time.
September 8th, 2019 at 3:54 PM ^
I want to believe that too. I want to believe that there is a super-dynamic offense that will melt Wisconsin in 2 weeks like so much cheese.
But I just can't.
I think Jim Harbaugh has convinced himself that if all conditions aren't perfect, he's just not going to let Gattis let it rip. And that's just sad.
September 8th, 2019 at 3:57 PM ^
He’s coaching not to lose, which means he’ll coach himself into a loss.
September 8th, 2019 at 3:55 PM ^
Why would you hold something back when you're spending virtually an entire game behind to a service academy?
September 8th, 2019 at 4:12 PM ^
Yeah, I'm with you. Use your full array of tools to beat the team in front of you THIS WEEK. The idea that an offensive staff is holding plays back to beat some team they're playing in 2 weeks, in a month, or at the end of the season is the ultimate in coaching malpractice.
September 8th, 2019 at 4:38 PM ^
Is it possible that they haven’t installed the entire offense yet, not holding back?
September 8th, 2019 at 4:43 PM ^
Except that’s exactly what Ohio State does on a regular basis.
The difference is, their roster is much deeper with elite athletes, so they can get away with it more easily.
September 8th, 2019 at 5:02 PM ^
This. Coaches show up to a game with the plays that give their team the best chance of success against that particular opponent. They don't have some separate, dusty playbook of THE RRREAALL GOOD STUFF waiting under lock and key for rivalry week. If a new look pops up during the season, it's because that "new" look exploits a particular weakness in the opposition's defense. It's conditional on the opponent.
The "maybe they're saving the good stuff" argument has come up near the start of every season since I started lurking this blog back in the RR years. It never ends up being the case. Let. It. Die.
September 8th, 2019 at 5:09 PM ^
That was my initial reaction too, but once my blood pressure returned to normal & rewatched the game, I came up with some reasons. You may disagree with them, but they’re not 100% crazy:
- Much of the game it was a tie. Even when it wasn’t, Army was up only one score & Army didn’t have the ability to score quickly if Michigan went up by a small amount at the end.
- They are truly terrified of losing Shea or McCaffrey at this early point in the season because they plan to run the shit out of them in the bigger games. There are also some bye weeks & quasi bye weeks coming up that allow Shea to heal more if he can just avoid aggravating his injury right now.
- As shitty as it’d be to lose to Army narrowly, they’re probably going to be ranked by end of season & it’s a nonconference game. If #2 is their main concern, & if their main goal is a Big Ten Championship & to beat MSU/OSU/PSU/ND, they’d be more willing to risk this loss rather than win a Pyrrhic victory against Army but lose either Patterson or McCaffrey in the process.
Thats my theory anyway. If it were me, I’d probably have risked it *a little* by nuking Army with some McCaffrey keepers in the 4th quarter to ensure a score on that last drive. Or at least kicked the FG on 4th down to try to go up 17-14.
September 8th, 2019 at 6:32 PM ^
You can’t be serious. REALLY?? Why on earth would we suddenly be holding back when we’ve never done so in the past? Or why would the coaches risk a loss to Army in week two just for the sake of saving all the good stuff for later?
I mean honestly guys, how long are we going to keep pretending that the emperor has clothes on? Something is clearly wrong with the offense and it isn’t because we’re keeping all the good plays a secret.
September 8th, 2019 at 3:31 PM ^
We’re soft?
September 8th, 2019 at 6:21 PM ^
Yeah I’m not on the sideline or in the locker room (obviously) but the players’ body language and tenacity the past few years just hasn’t consistently exhibited that almost desperate need to win or claw out that final six inches of a play. Watching the Amazon doc or press conferences I gotta guess that starts at the top but, again, just guessing from afar.
September 8th, 2019 at 3:32 PM ^
Injuries and coaching.
Injuries: Shea was hurt, as were key OL and DP-J.
Coaching: Seemed like Harbaugh yanked the offense back at key times to make terrible 4th down decisions. I can't see why Michigan would play a half-Shea with McCaffrey available and healthy.
September 8th, 2019 at 5:22 PM ^
Again, I think it’s because they plan to run the shit out of the QBs in the bigger games & they’re terrified of a McCaffrey injury especially before Shea can get 100% healthy.
Now, it is were me coaching in the Army game, I probably risk having McCaffrey keep the ball the last drive & torch Army for a late TD to ensure it doesn’t go into OT.
But I think a huge part of this is them not accessing a big chunk of the playbook due to injuries (or fear of being injured in bigger games), and thinking they can win against mediocre competitors by physically out playing them.
And so far (granted with a bunch of stress and anxiety to go with it), they’ve managed to do it—EVEN with a huge amount of sloppy errors & turnovers.
If we keep going this way it’ll be a lousy season. But if they tighten things up & presuming they get healthy & allow the QBs to keep/run on those RPO/ZoneRead plays, we will probably be fine.
September 8th, 2019 at 9:40 PM ^
Any coach, and I hope this includes our coaches, knows you can’t choose when/if injuries happen. The idea that they are saving Shea/DMac to avoid injuries is flat wrong. Coaches don’t keep quality players on the sideline holding a rabbits foot. They play their best.
More real is probably this.
1. Practice this week was all Shea and based on Army. This means a very vanilla package so as to leave Wisconsin in the dark.
2. The offense is still “new” enough that reps can’t be split as they might under normal times. This means DMac is not being prepared like he needs to be in order to be an improvement over Shea.
3. With the above still being true, coaches may be having Dylan prepare for Wisconsin while Shea was prepping army. Knowing that the battle was as close as was noted, and seeing Shea be..who he is and had been, they left this game to him alone with the belief that vanilla would pull us thru while they focused the next level O stuff on Dylan. Hoping his ceiling is higher than Shea’s.
September 8th, 2019 at 3:34 PM ^
I think it's two things.
#1 - Shea isn't healthy. I believe that him missing wide open receivers yesterday supports this. His history has shown that he is relatively accurate.
#2 - The turnovers. Between us playing Army's ball control offense, and us turning it over all the damn time, we have been limited in the number of drives we've had to work out the bugs in a new offense. It also has prevented us from getting any flow or rythm.
I agree with you that Harbaugh didn't suddenly forget how to Coach. I also think there's a bit of truth in the thought that he is a better turn around guy than a long term Coach.
September 8th, 2019 at 3:36 PM ^
we need to start the retail sales of sweet, stinky weed.
September 8th, 2019 at 3:36 PM ^
We're in trouble if an allegedly injured Shea is the most effective QB on the team right now.
September 8th, 2019 at 3:36 PM ^
It’s all about preseason hype with limited substantiation for it.
September 8th, 2019 at 3:41 PM ^
How do stop players from fumbling? You bench them. For some reason Patterson gets a pass on this rule. He should have been benched last week, but wasn’t. After his first fumble yesterday he should have sat the rest of the first half. He isn’t that good that I have seen in the last 15 games.