PSU sign stealers were watching us today

Submitted by ska4punkkid on November 11th, 2023 at 6:35 PM

This may not be thread worthy but did anyone else notice that anytime we would look over and audible on offense, the entire PSU defense would look at their bench and get a new signal? It was THE EXACT same sequence of events that Connor did for us. Their guys in different color shirts would watch our sideline audible, then signal to their defense once they saw our signs.
 

Whether they were right or not I’m not sure. But I hope some video comes out of them doing that because that’s literally one of the pieces of “evidence” the B10 has against us is CS standing by coaches, watching the opposite sideline, and signaling. 
 

I also noticed our team on defense almost never looked to our sideline when PSU offense audibled. Hopefully someone other than CS is working on signs (the “legal” way) for OSU cuz that could be a disadvantage for us. 
 

Either way I’m so proud of the team and the great win today! GO BLUE! BET!

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rice4114

November 11th, 2023 at 6:39 PM ^

ESPN headline next to our score just said

”Michigan 30 pt+ streak snapped, gave up the most points all this season (15)”

Is Joey Galloway working the ticker headlines now? These guys arent even subtle now. 

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chrisu

November 12th, 2023 at 2:04 AM ^

2nd half inside my head, I kept hearing The Beatles, 'Here Comes fhe RUN'...and it was alright, just as the song said!  Can't imagine a better boa constrictor than to line it up and run the damn ball. About the only thing better would have been Sherrone yelling to JJ, 'RUN', for all to hear.

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grumbler

November 11th, 2023 at 6:42 PM ^

 literally one of the pieces of “evidence” the B10 has against us is CS standing by coaches, watching the opposite sideline, and signaling

This is not true.  The CS "evidence" is ticket purchases to football games, which is enough evidence to convince the B1G that buying tickets is a violation of its sportsmanship rules (100k+ PSU fans doing so notwithstanding).

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Yeoman

November 11th, 2023 at 7:10 PM ^

As Petitti made clear in his letter to Manuel, this isn't a court of law or even an episode of Law and Order. It's his conference and evidence is whatever he says it is:

Neither the Conference Handbook nor the Sportsmanship Policy defines “evidence” or requires that the Commissioner rely on any specific form of evidence in order to make a determination. And the Policy certainly does not require that any such evidence meet the legal standards for admissibility at trial, as the University contends in its response. To the contrary, Section 10.2.1 of Policy expressly provides that, in determining whether an offensive action occurred, the Commissioner may consider “any evidence that he or she deems relevant,” and “may accept any information provided by any source.”

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Hensons Mobile…

November 11th, 2023 at 7:48 PM ^

I don't think it's horse shit. I think it's totally true and not even that unreasonable. It's not a court of law. When the bylaws were written, people probably didn't figure the conference would railroad one of its own teams.

Besides, is there anyone who really believes that CS wasn't buying tickets and having people videotape the sidelines? We all understand this happened.

Was it technically a violation of the NCAA rules? We haven't conceded that point.

But the Big Ten isn't saying it violated the NCAA rule, they're saying it violated the Big Ten sportsmanship policy (yet somehow what OSU/Rutgers/Purdue did does not violate the policy, go figure).

And they're saying that despite it being under NCAA investigation, they can still add on a penalty right now without waiting for the NCAA to finish its investigation (we argued otherwise).

And they're saying that Harbaugh is not a person but a collective entity.

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ST3

November 11th, 2023 at 7:56 PM ^

And this is exactly why we have to leave the conference. The commissioner has shown he will punish us because the 13 other conference members are petty, envious, and dishonest. 
If we submit evidence that teams colluded against us last season, he’s going to tell us to pound sand because the other 13 schools sign his check. We have no recourse to a court of law or basic principles of fairness. The conference laws give the commissioner authority to screw us over and that’s what he’s doing.

 It’s time to leave (after winning the BTCG).

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Hensons Mobile…

November 11th, 2023 at 8:02 PM ^

Definitely open to leaving the B1G but not at all costs. It has to be a good situation. I'd say we're definitely exploring it at this point.

As for our recourse, we'll see if we win our lawsuit. I'm not quite sure what we win, though, since we can't go back in time and have Harbaugh coach these games.

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CFraser

November 11th, 2023 at 8:05 PM ^

Truly unbelievable and UM seriously needs to consider other options if he’s trying to be like this. I fully believe due process will play out and he’ll be removed for abuse of power but got dang this is infuriating. And everyone else is cheering loudly for it. Have I lost MY mind? 

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Bluesince89

November 11th, 2023 at 9:27 PM ^

He’s just a figurehead doing the bidding of OSU and others. He’s not the problem. It’s the other schools, OSU included. I can’t say what Delaney and Warren would do in this situation, but given that we have a commissioner who will not stand up for us and a bunch of others colluding against us, I would not want to stay in the big ten even if TP were out. Need to leave. 

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SDCran

November 11th, 2023 at 7:52 PM ^

Grumbler, read the B1G’s letter announcing the illegal (as in contract law, certainly not criminal) suspension.    They very explicitly called out UM’s bench during games as part of the reasoning for the suspension.   Exactly what the OP is comparing.   
 

that and ticket purchases, which is most definitely not against any rule.   
 

oh, and player safety where the letter says players are in danger if Michigan steals signs, but not if other teams do it.  

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George Patton

November 11th, 2023 at 6:54 PM ^

This.  To spell out what's implied here, the defense can't signal in a new play until after it's clear the offense has completed its signal, for a couple of reasons.  One is that you don't want defenders to start show the new D prematurely.  Second is the D coordinator may need to make a judgment about whether the O really did change its play, or is re-signaling the same play in an effort to dummy the defense out of a look it doesn't like.  I'm sure there are other possibilities too.  In any event, the fact that a person near the coordinator is watching the other team signal and then maybe change position does not necessarily show that signals have decoded; there are other possibilities.

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