In reply to by Joseph_P_Freshwater

ruthmahner

April 22nd, 2018 at 8:53 PM ^

You joined mgoblog in June of 2014, which I assume means you were aware of Michigan football on September 27, 2014.  And you "can't imagine anything worse" than the 2017 season?   This might be one instance in which the word "inconceivable" DOES mean what I think it means.

ruthmahner

April 22nd, 2018 at 10:12 PM ^

It's probably pointless to try to be logical in this conversation, but let's just assume that passing was the same as last year, and the defense sucked.  That would be worse.  If you mean one specific aspect of the game is as bad as you think it can be, then that might be worth a discussion.  When the team wins most of its games, no matter what asterisks you want to assign to those wins, it could absolutely have been worse. Those wins could have been losses.

Rodriguesqe

April 22nd, 2018 at 9:01 PM ^

Maybe so, but I think the improvement in WR play will be much larger than that at QB. Our WR were bad last year. Looking forward to getting Black again, watching All or Nothing can't help wondering what would have been had he not broken his foot. 

True Blue Grit

April 23rd, 2018 at 8:29 AM ^

cost us 2, maybe even 3 games last  year.  If we had even solid QB play last season, we wouldn't be talking nearly as negatively about the way the season went.  Yes, the OL needs to improve.   But the QB had more than enough time on many plays last season and still made bad throws.  If we fix that this year, Michigan will have a good year.   

UMfan21

April 22nd, 2018 at 7:53 PM ^

I like how none of the coaches want to accept responsibility for the offense. ;) McElwain is like "its peps" Pep is like "It's Harbaugh"

4yearsofhoke

April 22nd, 2018 at 8:33 PM ^

I hope you're right, but with all respect I think people in general need to stop internally comparing or believing Dylan is the same caliber athlete as Christian. 

Dylan is still very young 19 and he's built like it. He needs to bulk up quite a bit IMO. I think Brandon would win the job if Shea's out.

bronxblue

April 22nd, 2018 at 9:29 PM ^

I would be bothered if McCaffrey beat out Peters because it would likely mean Peters got worse moreso than McCaffrey suddenly made a huge leap forward.  I'd love to be proven wrong, but last year we kept hearing about how great Peters was in the offseason and then he was pretty clearly behind Speight and (less so) O'Korn during games.  

I'm all for wunderkind players, but at QB I tend to like to see a natural progression of guys getting better over their years, not regressing and getting passed by guys with less exposure to the system.

bronxblue

April 23rd, 2018 at 1:04 PM ^

Peters played as well as Speight last year at times, but he was also not asked to do nearly as much.  By the time they were on their third QB of the season, the offense had become so limited passing the ball (and they had a decent enough success running it) that to compare to the two players is unfair to both.  I mean, the most times they asked Peters to throw the ball before the bowl game was 18, and he averaged closer to 14 a game (and completed about 54% of them).  Speight averaged 25 a game until he got hurt.

goblue4321

April 23rd, 2018 at 10:42 AM ^

Should have been playing from game 1 he was behind because he couldnt yell loud enough it sounded like. and i think harbaugh favors upper classmen. speight should have been sat after back to back pick 6 against florida, harbaugh saying because they didnt practice against those coverages is bs. speight over threw guys horribly. i think beat msu and win bowl game so 10-3 if peters would have played from beginning of year. shit if peters wouldnt have got hurt probably could have beat wisco and osu with good games by qb. only game didnt have a chance was psu. okorn never should have saw field. he alone cost msu and osu games. 

bronxblue

April 22nd, 2018 at 8:47 PM ^

I want to read something from these comments, but it's just a whole lotta nothing.  Basically, everyone viable QB has shown he can play, and they are all lumped together at "good, but could be better".  Which is great compared to, I don't know, still learning the offense and having accuracy issues.  But i don't see this being pulbicly resolved until fall, maybe even during the OOC slate.

I also find it funny that Pep Hamilton, someone who a decent part of the fanbase wanted to see get canned over the offseason due to his "terrible" handling of the passing game, all of a sudden is treated as the guru who really gets the QB position.  I always thought last year's passing issues were beyond his control (asking an passing coach to cycle through 3 pretty-distinct QBs in a year is impossible), and I'm excited to see what they'll do.  But after watching some of the Amazon series, his public rehabilitation has been interesting to see as the biggest change is simply that he's still employed.

Hold This L

April 22nd, 2018 at 9:12 PM ^

(Arrived on Campus in August). Better than Cook, Barrett, beathard, and Hackenberg. My point is, starters in April may not mean much so it shouldn't bother us. It only took JD martinez a few months of offseason workouts and adjustments to go from being cut by a last place team to batting fifth on the most loaded lineup in the American league. 

JonnyHintz

April 22nd, 2018 at 9:37 PM ^

Just because they say there isn’t, doesn’t mean that’s the case. We’re entering year 4 of Harbaugh, and i ask you to tell me a single time where Harbaugh named a starting QB prior to that QB heading into the huddle in the first game? Harbaugh and his staff aren’t going to admit to anything. They’re not going to reveal anything. All the insiders watching practice are saying it’s Shea, Peters, McCaffrey and then Milton. Peters is even getting the bulk of the reps with the 1s while Shea learns the offense. There’s zero benefit to naming a leader at QB in the spring. Especially when the eligibility of the top QB is still in question. It’s coach-speak. Harbaugh uses it constantly. Especially when it comes to questions revolving around the depth chart. Harbaugh and Pep know what’s going on in the QB room. Those QBs know what’s going on in the QB room. That’s as far as they’re letting any information get. Anything else is speculation based on the eye test.

Mongo

April 22nd, 2018 at 9:25 PM ^

based on last year that gives me no real confidence. Jim Harbaugh needs to take over this offense starting with the game plan plus in-game play calling. Need to get JH back to his roots - dang best offensive coach in this country. Pep can be his alter ego but he ain’t no Jim Harbaugh.