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Negative fans absolutely can…

Negative fans absolutely can affect recruits - kids have said as much. Great fans probably won't win a kid over, but extremely loud and negative fans on social media can and do have an impact.

Basically DPJ alluded to not…

Basically DPJ alluded to not getting along with Harbaugh towards the end to some coaches. Personally, I would avoid jabbing at your head coach in a job interview - especially when your head coach's name is royalty in the league - but that's just me I guess. I also would not downplay the role that Tarik Black played in DPJ's experience at Michigan. Tarik soured on Harbaugh first, and Tarik is DPJ's boy. 

Donovan is a good kid from a good family. I hope some time apart from Ann Arbor and in the league makes him see through the fog a bit and rebuild his relationship with Michigan.

You're making a ton of…

You're making a ton of comments in this thread that show a real ignorance of recruiting, the local scene, the college game, and what comes with it.

Kids absolutely care about how many draft picks a school has. Obviously everyone dreams of being the greatest, but that's shifting the goalposts, obviously, from the discussion of NFL production. Kids want to know which schools will get them an NFL contract, and since Jim has been here, you can count the schools better than Michigan on one hand.

It's FAR easier to count the…

It's FAR easier to count the guys who like Crowell - just to save you some time.

If you're in the top 5…

If you're in the top 5 nationally in draft picks you are an elite NFL production school. That's not debatable, right? That fact receiving pushback makes me feel like I'm going insane.

The point about most being mid-or-late round picks is idiotic, football-ignorant drivel - there are thousands of draft-eligible players every year. 250ish get drafted. The 150th player taken in the draft is a really fucking good football player, and was just made a rich person. Also, most of the draft of is the mid-to-late rounds. Ask any high school football player if he wouldn't want to be a 4th round pick tomorrow, see how many "nos" you get.

He's elevated their…

He's elevated their recruiting rankings, but they are just naturally-talented kids who are poorly coached. It's going to take the perfect situation for a Crowell-coached Belleville kid to work out. The likes of Dobbs and Payne won't.

You might expect different from a top college coach, but you'd be disappointed by every coach in America then. It's just how college coaches operate. Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, Dabo, Kirby Smart, etc. etc. It's not on Jim that one local clown is still mad because he didn't get the job at Michigan and now he can't handle himself like an adult.

It's actually partially his…

It's actually partially his own fault, based on what he told teams in interviews.

This is truly idiotic. Go…

This is truly idiotic. Go tell a high-end recruit that he shouldn't care about instantly becoming a top 1% income earner in America for playing the sport he loves just because he isn't making pro bowls. I'm sure Delano Hill and Chris Wormley are just devastated when they deposit their paychecks.

1. Yes, because Belleville…

1. Yes, because Belleville isn't that talented. They're producing poorly coached kids with attitude problems. Who are the great Belleville players at the Power 5 level of the last 10 years? Michigan has only ever had 3 Belleville kids in program history, the last prior to Andre Seldon being Ian Gold obviously. You have to go back to the Jenkins brothers to find a Belleville kid that stuck in the NFL.

2. No - you clearly don't know the context of what was said. Jim said to Crowell-coached guys on the team "I understand why you're making the mistakes that you are based on your high school program" (paraphrasing). This is something that is said by literally every college coach in America. It's a "break you down to build you back up, welcome to the big leagues" motivation tactic. It's only offensive to people who know nothing about the inside of football locker rooms or who have fragile egos.

The thing is, even after Crowell was hurt by this (and he already didn't like Michigan, don't kid yourself that this was what killed the relationship), Harbaugh DID try to mend fences and continue to recruit the school. Crowell just used this - again, a common coaching point - to act on his preexisting disdain for Michigan.

None of that changes…

None of that changes anything I said lol. We've had the 4th most draft picks over the last 4 drafts - if that doesn't make us an NFL factory, then pretty much only Alabama is.

I'm sure those things you said are really hurting the bank accounts of the 34 kids we've had drafted since 2017.

Shit, if you get a million dollars but you don't make a Pro Bowl and most of mgoblog doesn't like you, might as well get zero dollars, right?

They don't though - you…

They don't though - you clearly haven't gone through the recruiting process to understand the role the high school coach plays.

That's like taking the wheels off a race car and saying "you think it won't still get the trophy if it crosses the finish line first?"

Well said, Seth.

Well said, Seth.

Michigan being in the top 5 …

Michigan being in the top 5 (4th, specifically) of draft picks in the last 4 years is just a fact. I can't make you accept it, but it is reality. Maybe everything outside of the top 2 is comical to you, I don't know.

Michigan doesn't need Belleville kids. Michigan won't be worse off for taking a kid from CA or IL or PA over a kid from Belleville, and the Belleville problem does not extend to other programs in-state like West Bloomfield that produce talent.

Something tells me Karsen Barnhart and Nolan Rumler will have better careers than Devontae Dobbs. Harbaugh wasn't trying to be hurtful when he said Belleville kids aren't coached well in high school, it was only hurtful to Crowell because it's true.

Yeah, but if you're the…

Yeah, but if you're the gatekeeper for dozens of kids' futures you CAN not destroy a relationship with the greatest school in the country for the combination of academics and NFL production just because your fragile ego was bruised. You don't have to be friends, you just have to do what's right for kids.

This tiff doesn't hurt Jim. It hurts the kids on Crowell's team who don't have the same ability to go to Michigan now. There's only one school in the country that ranks in the top 5 in NFL draft picks in the last 4 years AND the top 30 of US News university rankings, and Belleville kids now have a massive road block to get there.

Movie theaters should drop…

Movie theaters should drop movies and just sell concessions since their margins are better there.

LIBERATE XTRAMELANIN!

LIBERATE XTRAMELANIN!

I LOLed

I LOLed

Looks like Ronnie Bell with…

Looks like Ronnie Bell with better straight line speed to me - elusive, but fights surprisingly hard for a guy his size. His hudl film shows a more developed route tree than other in-state guys. He looks every bit as good as Tyrell Henry to me, who was the first 2022 in-state WR we offered.

The issue with Young, IMO, is not his ability but the fact that his game is similar to a lot of guys that have Michigan offers already. Tyler Morris, Tyrell Henry, and Dayvon Young are all about 6 foot 170 slot types. Can't take 3 of them.

If I had predicted that…

If I had predicted that Michael Sessa would be 1st team All Big Ten, now that would have been noteworthy! But Shea was 1st team PFF All Big Ten in 2018 and then broke his rib in the first game this year and still threw for 3000 yards.

Not a hill I would die on, personally.

Dude has been randomly…

Dude has been randomly commenting this on all my posts for nearly a year. Before last season I must have predicted that Shea would be 1st team All Big Ten in 2019 (as did PFF, Athlon, and many major publications and pundits). It was apparently such a ludicrous prediction that it has haunted bfffeaverrrs dreams ever since.

Got it. That's my family's…

Got it. That's my family's neck of the woods too. My parents went to Tower.

You said you're in Warren…

You said you're in Warren nowadays, right Q?

Some good WRs in Michigan in…

Some good WRs in Michigan in 2022. I actually think Dayvon Young is the best of the group, and Michigan hasn't offered yet. Tyrell Henry, Jaden Mangham, Trent, Young, Antonio Gates Jr....Jeremiah Caldwell is probably a Power 5 guy. 

Obviously not all of them will end up at Michigan, but it's really a bumper crop of WRs in-state next year.

When I first watched his…

When I first watched his film, I thought about Braylon. I didn't know if Michigan would offer before they could see him more in person (they did obviously), but he really glides and wins everything in the air. Like you said, a lot like Nico, but as a Detroit kid who I thought might need to camp to get an offer, I thought about Braylon.

“To clarify, Schapiro…

“To clarify, Schapiro expects all 14 schools to be able to play this fall, unless state policies prohibit campuses from opening.”

He was saying both that he expects all schools to be playing football this fall, and that he can’t see playing without all 14 schools.

What’s his Only Fans?

What’s his Only Fans?

I am proud to have a lot of…

I am proud to have a lot of draft picks. 

That's it. That's the sentiment.

I despise the inability to…

I despise the inability to think in a nuanced manner, and there are way too many Ricky Bobby's in this fan base.

I agree, I said that fully…

I agree, I said that fully tongue-in-cheek.

I don't know the significance of your wife being Asian, but good to know lol

1. Crowell came to…

1. Crowell came to Belleville from Cass, so it's not about which Belleville kid(s) were offended. It was about which Cass kids were still loyal to Crowell over their college head coach.

2. Jaylen Kelly-Powell's dad coaches under Crowell at Belleville - the Cass connection again.

You can speculate as to which Cass kids didn't care for Jim enough to run and tell their old HS coach about those comments.

Am I proud that we had 10…

Am I proud that we had 10 draft picks this year and that we probably have a better recruiting to draft pick ratio than anyone in the country? Is that your question? Would anyone not be proud of that?

I agree with you about the…

I agree with you about the 2016 OSU game and needing to beat OSU, in general, to go from a Tier 2 program to a Tier 1 program.  I think only 5-ish programs exist in Tier 1, so it doesn't devastate me that Michigan isn't in that group right now. I would put us at 8th or 9th in the college football world as of today. That's pretty damn good, even if it doesn't get you all the trophies you want. 

I think you really have to grasp at straws to say Michigan does not recruit well. Harbaugh's class have ranked 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 1st, and 2nd in the conference over his tenure. Of Big Ten schools, we have put the 2nd most players in the NFL over his tenure. It's hard to say that Harbaugh's Michigan has been anything other than the 2nd most talented team in the Big Ten since he's been here.

We recruit and develop very well. We just don't recruit at a Top 5 level, which is where we ALL would love to be. We probably have to beat that 2 ton gorilla in Columbus to get there without some egregious, Ole Miss-level bagmen scheme.

Knew this would be the pivot…

Knew this would be the pivot, even though your comment was about recruiting.

"We're not recruiting for shit" (we are recruiting well) becomes "we're not getting guys the NFL wants" (only 3 programs have more draft picks than Michigan over the last 4 drafts). We're actuallly getting players drafted at a higher level than we are recruiting at right now! There's an argument to be made, based on talent composite vs. number of draft picks that Michigan has the best developmental staff in the country.

We just had 10 guys from last year's team get drafted, though, and 2019 starters Jalen Mayfield, Nico Collins, Kwity Paye, Ambry Thomas, and Brad Hawkins will all certainly be drafted next year, in addition to Aidan Hutchinson if he chooses to go, and possibly Nick Eubanks as well. The 2019 team will easily pass the 13 draft pick mark from the 2016 team.

The last players to come…

The last players to come from Belleville and have above replacement-level careers now have kids in college. I hope Andre Seldon changes that, but the notion that Belleville is an essential-to-recruit, all-conference-level player factory is not based in reality.

Michigan's rosters in 2017 …

Michigan's rosters in 2017 (874.89), 2018 (863.26), and 2019 (853.40) were all more talented than the 2016 (852.78) roster per the 247 talent composite.

Don't let those pesky facts bother you, though.

I would absolutely go,…

I would absolutely go, wearing a mask, like the beta cuck I am

Fuck em, IMO

Fuck em, IMO

I can't understand these…

I can't understand these comments either. He also landed Braiden McGregor basically right after he got off the plane.

Saw him play against West…

Saw him play against West Bloomfield last year and he was much more impactful on defense.

That's only because HS OLs are worse, and an impactful DT in HS is a big deal. His ceiling and floor are much higher on offense.

That's a pretty good analogy…

That's a pretty good analogy actually.

There were vast PPE…

There were vast PPE shortages for hospital staff, absolutely. Hospital staffs were also worked very hard from a worker-hours standpoint.

However, very few hospitals, if any, were overwhelmed from a capacity standpoint.

This discussion might be a bit semantic, dependent on your working definition of "overwhelmed". In my use of the term, an overwhelmed hospital is one that can't possibly flex enough to take in and treat every patient that comes to them, or refer patients that come to them to other, nearby hospitals that can treat them. Basically, how many hospital systems were so overrun by intake that patients who needed hospital care could not get it anywhere, and died as a result? The answer to that is very few, if any.

That's what I mean when I say that hospitals were not overwhelmed, at least.

This is exactly right. The…

This is exactly right. The goal of lockdowns is to save hospitals from the initial tidal wave. There's a decent question as to whether we even needed a lockdown to keep our hospitals from being overrun - with surge flexibility, we have really massive hospital capacity in this country. Either way, we enacted lockdown measures, the vast majority of hospitals (virtually all outside NYC) were never close to being overrun, and we avoided that initial tidal wave. That was fine policy and successful.

The lockdowns are now over-extended per their legitimate purpose. We should enact policy that takes aggressive protective measures towards long-term care facilities like nursing homes, but the rest of the country should be opened back up. Everyone should wear masks in public for the foreseeable future - until their is a major breakthrough treatment and/or widely available vaccine - and there should be immense peer pressure and shaming as it relates to individual public health behaviors. However, the lockdowns are no longer serving their original, legitimate purpose and should be stopped.

There actually is a question…

There actually is a question as to the impact of social distancing/lockdowns on lives saved. By "crushing the curve", as they say, you're not necessarily lowering the impact of the virus, you're just elongating the time frame and lowering the amplitude of hospitalizations/deaths, not necessarily lowering the magnitude.

This iteration of this virus has some true IFR, and therefore, if left unchecked, should kill the same number of people in a finite population, whether 100% infectivity happens over 3 months or 9 months. Sweden has simply chosen the higher amplitude, shorter term situation. If the lockdowns in the US are mostly eased before there is a vaccine (which, the original purpose was never to lock down until a vaccine was available), we will probably see very similar deaths per million to Sweden. It will simply be more drawn out.

Now, the obvious factor that could change this is a major breakthrough treatment before lockdowns are eased. Remdesivir looks helpful in recovery speed, but it's not really a "major" breakthrough as it relates to mortality rates. Ivermectin showed really good numbers in a small-sample observational study (8% mortality in hospitalized patients on Ivermectin vs. 17% not), crushes viral load in vitro, and is now getting clinical studies. Japan hopes to approve use this month. Discovering a treatment that cuts mortality in half in hospitalized patients while in lockdown is the actual thing that would make lockdown worthwhile, not the lockdown per se.

Gardner is a bit of ham, he…

Gardner is a bit of ham, he belongs in broadcasting for sure.

I'll say this, nobody talked more shit than Devin at practice and workouts. Loud too - you heard him throughout the facility. But he was really unique in his ability to compete in a positive way in drills and workouts and then lead as a team guy in game situations. Definitely wish he got to play here in a different era. Gattis would love him.

“RIP Doclosh. He attended 53…

“RIP Doclosh. He attended 53 Michigan opening games in a row.”

I’m sorry, dark joke. I would attend too.

You bet your ass I will be…

You bet your ass I will be at the opening game. Then, I have to self isolate for 14 days after. That means I get to watch the next two games by my damn self.

It’s levels to this game, fellas.

I'm on the complete other…

I'm on the complete other end of the spectrum lol. I'd be utterly shocked if there's not football this fall. 

Don't know whether there will be fans! But there will be football.

...and Washington, who…

...and Washington, who promoted their DC to HC and hired a new OC (who was terrible at Penn State). Loss of spring practices is weirdly Advantage Michigan for the opener.

Not a fan of Bounds,…

Not a fan of Bounds, personally. Doesn’t look especially athletic, bends at the waist. I think he’s appropriately ranked.

McLaurin and Presley, however, I think are really good.

Michigan Fans Intelligence…

Michigan Fans Intelligence Agency: "Sleepy knows too much, we gotta take him out. Execute Operation Wokeverine."