Outrageous -- Patterson deserves a shot
Shea Patterson in just 2 years at Michigan
#7 in passing yards (between Harbaugh and Collins)
#6 in touchdowns (tied with Gardner)
#8 in completions (between Harbaugh and Robinson)
Leader in passing efficiency. Lowest # of interceptions. #1 in yards per game.
• Finalist for the Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award (2018)
• Semifinalist for the Davey O'Brien Award and the Maxwell Award (2018)
• Two-time All-Big Ten selection (third team, coaches, 2018-19, media, 2019; honorable mention, media, 2018)
• Recipient of the 2018 Team Offensive Player of the Year Award
• Two-time Big Ten Co-Offensive Player of the Week (2019)
• Only player in program history with four-plus touchdowns in consecutive weeks (Nov. 16-23, 2019; nine total TD passes)
• Only player in program history with three consecutive 300-yard passing games (Nov. 16, 23, 30, 2019)
• Highest three-game passing total in program history (384 yards, 366 yards, 305 / 1,055 yards, Nov. 16-23-30, 2019)
• Most touchdown passes in regulation in a single game in Michigan history (five, at Indiana, Nov. 23, 2019)
• Second-fastest passer to 5,000 yards in Michigan history (24 games played) with the fourth-fewest attempts needed (619 attempts)
• Third quarterback in program history with 3,000 passing yards in a single season (3,061 in 2019 - second-most all-time)
• Finished his career ranked No. 1 in passing yards per game (217.7), No. 7 in passing yards (5,661), and No. 6 in touchdown passes (45)
I didn't follow it closely: did he get interviews or any other sort of one-on-one exposure with teams around combine time?
I seem to recall his senior bowl (or whichever such post-season event he participated in) did not go very well.
No it didn’t and every Michigan fan that could destroyed reporters who pointed that out.
Patterson’s records are more of an indicator of how Michigan doesn’t play modern football. Those QB records would be shattered by any B12 or PAC12 offense in 2020.
Data?
April 28th, 2020 at 10:53 PM ^
You have a lot of "program history" records in there to bolster your argument. In the modern game, 30yr old program records don't indicate success at all... and the NFL scouts didn't think so either.
Look forward, not backwards man... you guys have some great QB's in the fold.
Why?
NFL teams are under no obligation to sign him and if they collectively think he hasn't performed well enough to be signed, then quite simply, he doesn't deserve a shot no matter his college accomplishments.
I am the last one to criticize his playing Golf last summer as I have a feeling that even had he been working with receivers every single day last season still would have been bad, but still one would think that he maybe has a little bit of regret about blowing off the offseason to the extent that the coaches noticed it.
Exactly. Deserves? Teams aren't out there deciding not to win because they stubbornly refuse to give just desserts to a player that could help them.
He hasn't demonstrated that he can help anyone yet. Maybe he will find another way to do that. He certainly had some good opportunities to do so thus far.
I'm pulling for him!
Yes, deserves. He played well enough in college to be worthy of a spot on an NFL practice squad.
I don't know if english is your second language or what, but this is a pretty common usage of the word "deserve."
Apparently not, apparently
Exactly
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deserve
deserved; deserving
Definition of deserve
: to be worthy of : merit
//deserves another chance
If teams don't think that he can help them, then he's obviously not worthy and has not merited and doesn't deserve.
I wrote clearly enough, even if English is my fifth language.
Worthiness is borne out by the facts of the case, not by mere assertion. When you assert contra the facts, you imply that you are using "deserves" in the sense of "is owed as a matter of propriety or justice."
It's definitely a symptom of covid that I actually took the time to reply to this.
This is like saying you did 10 hours of overtime so you deserve extra pay, and your boss replying "well I didn't pay you, so clearly you don't deserve extra pay."
You are a legitimate moron if you actually think this and aren't just trolling.
Dude. You don’t understand how to use the word deserve
The definition is very easy to find. If you looked it up, you would see that I'm right. Although you've already proven you're not good with English so I probably shouldn't be expecting you to know how to use a dictionary.
Better analogy: it's like doing pretty well in your school's spelling bee, and so telling your crush that you deserve a date with her.
It's a category error -- you deserve a date if she likes you, not based on some prior accolades that no one's under any obligation to prioritize. A quarterback deserves a roster shot if NFL teams think he can compete in the NFL and contribute to a team's success. It doesn't matter if he got the biggest ribbon in a punt, pass, and kick competition.
No, I'm not using "deserves" as "is owed". (I don't believe anyone is owed a spot on an NFL team or that NFL teams are obligated to draft any given person, other than if there is a contractual obligation.)
I'm using "deserves" as it is actually defined: as "is worthy of" or "merits".
Then:
I am judging worth and merit by (1) Patterson's whole career and (2) on who else got picked up by teams, which in terms of information theory is many bits.
You are judging worth and merit by whether or not he was drafted, which is one bit of data content.
Still, either way is OK to use.
I'm using one. You are using another.
I'm not using owed either. Salaried employees are not owed extra pay when they work overtime but they can certainly say they deserve it.
April 28th, 2020 at 10:35 PM ^
Deserve, as in; you deserve to be banned for this crap post
No, he didn't play that well at Michigan, and he does not deserve an opportunity in the NFL if no NFL team feels he can help them. If he wants charity, there must be a soup kitchen right around the corner from where he lives, otherwise, you earn your spot in the NFL
He did play well at Michigan.
Also, see definition of "deserve".
If he played so well that he "deserves" a shot... why do you suspect he didn't get a chance? This is a serious question. I'm just not sure what you're implying. You seem to believe it's obvious that he's an NFL QB but "reasons" are preventing him. I guess I'm just trying to understand your perspective. My gut response would be to say, stats aren't that important to the NFL. Look how far Jonathan Taylor fell in the draft.
I think that decision processes are susceptible at times to getting overly infatuated or overly disenchanted whenever human judgement is needed (i.e., stats are not 100% predictive).
Consider when people see a movie. If they are expecting the movie to be one of the best ever and it isn't, they tend to be disappointed and not like it, even if it is actually much better than average movies. If they are expecting the movie to be crappy, and it actually is entertaining in parts, they tend to be pleasantly surprised and to like the movie.
I think that Patterson is probably a way better QB than a lot of those other 20 guys. But they were never 5 stars expected to be among the nation's top QB's. They were guys playing far easier schedules and many in far easier conferences. It's easier for them to shine and didn't have such high expectations placed on them.
Michigan fans would have loved Patterson in 2017. They were OK in 2018. They expected great things in 2019 and didn't get it, so they got disenchanted. NFL (and business overall) decision processes are susceptible to similar dynamics.
You should sign Shea to tbe NFL team you own then
EDIT: To quote William Munny “deserves got nothing to do with it”
Damn it. You beat me to the quote. Terrific movie.
Harbaugh's best QB so far (Rudock) only stuck around as a practice squad player for a couple of years. He was a MUCH better QB than Patterson.
Balls in an uproar? Check.
Thinking cap firmly mounted? Maybe not.
I like Shea, rooted for him, failed to understand the antagonism. I respect his accomplishments, somewhat qualified though they are.
I always figure these guys are trying hard.
But the guy was erratic. And he's not very large. What you saw, in the end, was kinda what you got--a guy who never put it all together in the biggest games.
I see him becoming a Canadian provincial football star.
If he has a crazy breakthrough and becomes the next Tom Brady, I'll be over the moon. But to say that won't come as a surprise to most onlookers. . .
Exactly why does he deserve a shot? If an NFL team thought he had any chance of making their team or helping them in any way someone would’ve signed him. He should have his degree it’s time to move onto the next chapter of his life and I wish him luck in his next pursuit
Patterson wasn’t great at Michigan but if someone like Lewerke got a shot with the Patriots, Patterson definitely deserves one as well.
IDK about "deserves," but Lewerke is more hopeless than Shea IMO
Strangely enough, most NFL teams aren’t going to use “Well he’s better than Lewerke” as a serious reason to consider Patterson.
Maybe 31 other teams didn’t consider either one as worth a pick and a bunch of upset UM fans screaming that their mediocre guy is better than their rivals mediocre guy isn’t likely to sway any GMs to give Patterson a call.
As far as Lewerke is concerned, the only thing that matters to him is 1 team did see something to make them want to look twice. Considering which team that is, it’s kind of hard to argue with their decision making process.
April 28th, 2020 at 10:53 PM ^
Lewerke isn’t really any worse than Shea, just was on a dumpster fire of a team. Shea has 5 (Mayfield will get there) pros on the line, three pros at WR (DPJ; Collins and Bell will both get there, as will Black if he stays healthy), two pros at TE (McKeon and Eubanks, next year) and at least one pro at RB (take your pick, I suspect both Haskins and ZC will end up in the league. Turner could too).
I'm pretty sure if the NFL Owners, GM's and Coaches saw Shea Patterson as an asset to their franchises, they would have drafted him or at the very least signed him as UDFA.
Give it a break. Shea was an average QB in an era where QB's are destroying all of their school's record books.
People acting like breaking passing records from over 3 decades ago is an achievement. Lol
OP probably thinks that since Harbaugh was a Heisman finalist in 1987 with lesser stats than Patterson then Patterson was ROBBED not being invited to the Heisman ceremony.
What I'm thinking is that you think that you can tell what other people are thinking but are wildly incorrect.
What I'm thinking is that you are terrible at sensing sarcasm.
NFL going to do whatever they can to win - I think his Senior Bowl didn’t seem to go well and clearly he had his limitations in spite of also creating some good results. I still don’t get the talk about Lewerke being a prospect before the draft. A big reason we won both the 2018 and 2019 games was because Shea was clearly a better QB than Lewerke.
My guess: His propensity to overthrow his receivers would be disastrous playing against NFL talent.
Poor man's Johnny Manziel.
Middle class man’s John O’Korn.
Just no.
Shea didn’t develop into a star but at no point did he look as clueless as JOK
I would rather pick up Nathan Rourke of waivers than Shea
No. He was a Mediocre quarterback who is not an NFL quarterback. His slightly above average stats does not make him worthy of an NFL pick.
Patterson played well overall, but I wonder if what Gatiss alleged about his "golf time" was true, and how much better he would have been had he been more engaged as Gatiss has hinted at.
Of all the player and coach names to misspell, this one is a first. Gattis*
Gatass
FFS, there are QB's getting on teams who are nowhere near as good as Patterson.
Trust the GMs
Trust the GMs
April 29th, 2020 at 11:13 AM ^
dude- you are basing your entire argument on stats and perceived slights because he didn't pan out. Let me list out for you what NFL SCOUTS said last year about him when he was dabbling with going pro.
- has happy feet in the pocket
- can run the ball but isn't a true dual threat
- struggles to get thru progressions
- below avg size
- undersize arm
- struggles against good defenses
- inaccurate
If Shea was 6'3" my guess he would have been picked up by someone as a UDFA and would be a practice squad guy but he isn't 6'3" and doesn't have freakish athletic skills. These GM's and Coaches look at intangibles when someone hasn't lit it up in college and Shea just doesn't have many that make a coach go " hmmm yeah I can work with that and craft something out of it". It's that simple. someone up the thread hit on something as well, he was surrounded with NFL and high potential NFL talent and didn't get everything out of it. That's a BIG DEAL. He also wasn't known for his leadership, he wasn't voted a captain by his peers his last year, that's a BIG DEAL. I could give two shits about JH's honorary captain nod. when that happened It made me start to think Coach Gattis' comments were not a joke but more of a crack in the foundation. we get it, you think he deserves an opportunity to be on a team but unfortunately nobody in the NFL sees that, regardless of who was drafted or signed.
Outrageous? Haha what.
NFL GMs and scouts don't have some mgoblog-style thing against this guy. For a guy with so much national exposure to not get a shot means nobody thought he was worthy of one.