Outrageous -- Patterson deserves a shot

Submitted by b618 on April 28th, 2020 at 4:20 PM

Shea Patterson in just 2 years at Michigan

#7 in passing yards (between Harbaugh and Collins)
#6 in touchdowns (tied with Gardner)
#8 in completions (between Harbaugh and Robinson)

Leader in passing efficiency.  Lowest # of interceptions.  #1 in yards per game.

• Finalist for the Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award (2018)
• Semifinalist for the Davey O'Brien Award and the Maxwell Award (2018)
• Two-time All-Big Ten selection (third team, coaches, 2018-19, media, 2019; honorable mention, media, 2018)
• Recipient of the 2018 Team Offensive Player of the Year Award
• Two-time Big Ten Co-Offensive Player of the Week (2019)
• Only player in program history with four-plus touchdowns in consecutive weeks (Nov. 16-23, 2019; nine total TD passes)
• Only player in program history with three consecutive 300-yard passing games (Nov. 16, 23, 30, 2019)
• Highest three-game passing total in program history (384 yards, 366 yards, 305 / 1,055 yards, Nov. 16-23-30, 2019)
• Most touchdown passes in regulation in a single game in Michigan history (five, at Indiana, Nov. 23, 2019)
• Second-fastest passer to 5,000 yards in Michigan history (24 games played) with the fourth-fewest attempts needed (619 attempts)
• Third quarterback in program history with 3,000 passing yards in a single season (3,061 in 2019 - second-most all-time)
• Finished his career ranked No. 1 in passing yards per game (217.7), No. 7 in passing yards (5,661), and No. 6 in  touchdown passes (45)

 

maize-blue

April 28th, 2020 at 6:21 PM ^

It seems weird that Lewerke is at least getting a shot. Thought Patterson was at least better than Lewerke.

lhglrkwg

April 28th, 2020 at 6:37 PM ^

Look, you can be good in college and have no pro prospects. It happens with top college basketball players all the time. Im appreciative for the wins Shea gave us, but at the same time I would not want him on my NFL team’s roster. Poor arm strength, indecisive, inaccurate. He is absolutely not an NFL QB. Sorry but thats life for him

b618

April 28th, 2020 at 7:14 PM ^

You would want Lewerke instead, right?  You do think Lewerke is a better QB than Patterson, right?

Or Jake Lutton of Oregon State?  Or Kevin Davidson of Princeton?  Or Chris Steveler of South Dakota?  Or Riley Neal of Vanderbilt? Or any of the 20 other guys?

b618

April 28th, 2020 at 7:16 PM ^

Like every one of thse guys who were great in every game in one of the toughest schedules in college footaball, right?

Jake Luton (Oregon State), Cole McDonald (Hawaii), Ben DiNucci (James Madison), Tommy Stevens (Miss. State), Nate Stanley (Iowa), Reid Sinnett (San Diego), Steven Montez (Colorado), Tyler Huntley (Utah), J'Mar Smith (Louisiana Tech), Nick Tiano (Tennessee-Chattanooga), Brian Lewerke (Michigan State), Chase Cookus (Northern Arizona), Kevin Davidson (Princeton), Josh Love (San Jose State), Riley Neal (Vanderbilt), Bryce Perkins (Virginia), Anthony Gordon (Washington State), Chris Steveler (South Dakota)

harmon40

April 28th, 2020 at 7:09 PM ^

As Clint Eastwood said to Gene Hackman before shooting him at the end of Unforgiven, "Deserve's got nothing to do with it."

NFL teams couldn't care less about a player's place in his school's record books. They only care about who can help them win, and correct me if I'm wrong but it's kind of difficult for a QB to get their attention if he doesn't consistently hit WR's downfield. Shea never did.

Shea had some great moments for Michigan. At the end of the day he was a decent QB but he never became the big-time 5* playmaker we all thought we were getting. He didn't show much that would excite an NFL scout.

b618

April 28th, 2020 at 7:16 PM ^

Unlike everyone one of these guys, right?

Jake Luton (Oregon State), Cole McDonald (Hawaii), Ben DiNucci (James Madison), Tommy Stevens (Miss. State), Nate Stanley (Iowa), Reid Sinnett (San Diego), Steven Montez (Colorado), Tyler Huntley (Utah), J'Mar Smith (Louisiana Tech), Nick Tiano (Tennessee-Chattanooga), Brian Lewerke (Michigan State), Chase Cookus (Northern Arizona), Kevin Davidson (Princeton), Josh Love (San Jose State), Riley Neal (Vanderbilt), Bryce Perkins (Virginia), Anthony Gordon (Washington State), Chris Steveler (South Dakota)

b618

April 28th, 2020 at 7:25 PM ^

What a sad commentary on the composition of the participant base here that it negs a post in support of our former QB.

Such people are disgraceful.

b618

April 28th, 2020 at 8:36 PM ^

If you think my original post exudes superiority, that is you reading something into it that isn't there.  It was a post of Patterson's accomplishments.

As for my post a couple above here, it is bad to run down Wolverine players.  People who do that don't have manners.  They don't have loyalty.  They don't have team spirit.  They don't have morale.  They are weak in character.  They are disgraceful to Wolverines as a group.  Those are just facts.

b618

April 29th, 2020 at 1:43 AM ^

You think someone who supports Shea Patterson and who says "people who run down Wolverine players are despicable" is a white knight?

You have very low standards.

Anyway, I'll tell you what prompted my post, since you have no idea what or how I think.  It was my reading that Lewerke got picked up.

My thought right then was "WTF?  And Shea isn't on a team yet?"  That's what caused me to do the original post.

enzo

April 28th, 2020 at 7:29 PM ^

I don't think anyone believes Shea will be a starting QB in the NFL but heck even John O'Korn got a couple of days with the Giants.  

BlueMk1690

April 28th, 2020 at 7:41 PM ^

Tbh at no point did I feel he looked like a QB who should play in the NFL. Now there's probably reasons for that beyond his personal control, there tend to be in team sports..but at the end of the day it looks like no team saw enough from him on the points he *could* control to invest in him. We shouldn't rip him as a character or anything, but it's certainly fair to say yeah he showed some significant deficits as a QB when playing for us.

CoverZero

April 28th, 2020 at 7:47 PM ^

https://www.si.com/college/michigan/football/shea-patterson-nfl-draft-u…

"I think the biggest thing is, 'What does he do well?'" the second scout said. "He's not very accurate. He doesn't have a big arm. His deep ball efficiency is below-average. His mechanics are really a concern. I don't know if he works with a private coach or not but someone should have rebuilt him. He throws from so many arm angles and it's lazy. Guys like Mahomes and Rodgers do it because it's required. Patterson seemed to do it because his mechanics are shoddy."

Panther72

April 28th, 2020 at 7:55 PM ^

Patterson certainly had enough opportunity to make a case for his potential. While I'm grateful for his loyalty to the team, he just had to many performances in big games in which he didn't rise to the occasion. Looking at the  4th Q in the Alabama game last of the season, for example, he just couldn't hit the receivers in stride. His arm strength just isnt there for the pros IMO.

chatster

April 28th, 2020 at 8:08 PM ^

Although it’s sad for me to watch someone’s career dreams shattered, if you’re lucky enough to live for at least 70 years, then you might understand that none of us “deserves” anything.  

Without knowing why Shea Patterson hasn’t signed with an NFL team, it’s not like he has no other options. If he wants to pursue a pro football career, but no NFL team is willing to sign him to a contract, then he could offer to work for no pay as a training-camp invitee to add to the number of quarterbacks available to throw during NFL preseason practices.

He could wait until the XFL emerges from bankruptcy or some other pro football league is started. He also could try to negotiate with Canadian Football League teams or speak with the Texas Rangers about pursuing a pro baseball career in the minor leagues, but as a 39th-round draft choice who hasn’t played baseball regularly since his junior year of high school, his pro baseball opportunities may be very limited.  

If professional sports won’t be in his future, then graduate school and working as a graduate assistant coach for a college team might be opportunities available to him.  He could speak about those kinds of opportunities with another former Michigan quarterback who wasn't selected in the NFL Draft, the current Offensive Coordinator at Indiana, Nick Sheridan.

b618

April 28th, 2020 at 8:17 PM ^

Unfortunately, I think that the XFL is gone for good.  All the people are gone, and there are some lawsuits.

I really liked it, and went to a couple of games, seeing former Wolverines Jeremy Clark, Channing Stribling, Will Campbell -- and in one (where he was on the opposing team) Deveon Smith.

It was great fun.

I'm sad to see it gone.  I wish it would start up again.

Blue_by_U

April 28th, 2020 at 8:38 PM ^

so...the NFL...with 32 teams, trying to decide on a qb, Tampa has Brady. Chiefs seem set, Cinci just spent $26 million-plus contract money...call it 29, oh wait, Miami, Chargers, Raiders, Packers, Eagles, yeah maybe being one of the top qbs is hard...

Let's see, he beat uh...Northwestern in a clutch game, and MSU, and...nobody top 10 in his two seasons. Maybe it had more to do with lazy receivers, maybe it had to do with horrible game plans, maybe it had to do with injury, maybe it had to do with golf vs summer prep...MAYBE 32 NFL offices said...nope, he's not the guy to take our program forward. Get over it. Hope he enjoys his degree, becomes a great representative of the University and football program, finds success outside college football and maybe even joins the PGA? My NFL dream was cut short well before his. Life is difficult.

b618

April 28th, 2020 at 8:58 PM ^

" MAYBE 32 NFL offices said...nope," -- but they said "yep" to 30 other guys, about 15 of them you never heard of, unless you follow Hawaii or Louisiana Tech or Tennessee-Chattanooga, etc.

Did any of those guys beat a top 10 team?  Some of them never played a top 25 team.  Some of them never played any Power 5 team.

It's weird to me.

vablue

April 28th, 2020 at 9:07 PM ^

If McCaffrey does not get hurt, Shae loses his starting job in the WI game. Hard to see how you translate that to a shot in the NFL.  There are maybe 100 QBs total in the NFL, including scout team.  Hard to see Shae breaking into that list.

scfanblue

April 28th, 2020 at 10:20 PM ^

Please!!! I saw him live in October vs Iowa and then I saw Joe Burrow live in the SEC Championship game as well as Trevor Lawrence against South Carolina. Patterson looked like a JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL QB compared to those two. It was ridiculous in how much difference there was between them. Patterson was good in high school but no where near an NFL QB and Michigan;s records during his 2 years proves it. Amazing how Harbaugh can't recruit a top QB. Had Tua come to AA to play, Harbaugh would have sit him for two years because "he has to get experience" to play at Michigan and he would have left. 

OfficerRabbit

April 28th, 2020 at 11:07 PM ^

b618 is either a burner account Maizen set up a couple years ago, someone who hit the sauce a little early today, or a relative of Shea's. Three options... you pick.

b618

April 29th, 2020 at 2:05 AM ^

Damn.  I'm recognized.  I should have known there would be no way to pull one over on OfficerRabbit, Super Genius.

Rabbit, I'm guessing you are a fan of anOSU, given your OSU helmet as avatar.  If so, here's an interesting tidbit for you.  Back when J. T. Barrett graduated and didn't get drafted, I thought (for similar reasons here) it was a shame and hoped he'd get a shot in the NFL.  I wasn't alone in that line of thinking.  Consider for example:  https://www.landgrantholyland.com/2018/4/30/17298114/jt-barrett-height-nfl-draft-indianapolis-colts-ohio-state-buckeyes

I feel the same thing here about Patterson.

UMxWolverines

April 29th, 2020 at 7:52 AM ^

The NFL doesnt give a rat's ass what you win in college. Anybody should have been able to tell neither Barrett nor Patterson would be NFL QBs. They are looking for a combination of arm strength, accuracy, and quick decision making. If one of those is lacking then no one is going to waste the time and money on a roster spot for them...sorry. 

b618

April 29th, 2020 at 1:19 PM ^

They do try some folks who aren't excellent in all three of those areas.  One famous example is Tom Brady.

This year, teams picked up 26 QB's.  Some of them are not great in every area.  Most of them won't work out, so every year the NFL picks up a lot of players and sifts through them.

b618

April 30th, 2020 at 4:14 PM ^

This is what was being said about Brady pre draft.

--Poor build
--Skinny 
--Lacks great physical stature and strength
--Lacks mobility and ability to avoid the rush 
--Lacks a really strong arm
--Can’t drive the ball downfield
--Does not throw a really tight spiral
--System-type player who can get exposed if forced to ad lib
--Gets knocked down easily

As referenced in:

https://patriotswire.usatoday.com/2017/03/03/tom-brady-remembers-his-pre-draft-evaluation-wishes-2017-draft-class-good-luck/

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/tom-bradys-pre-nfl-draft-scouting-report-will-never-cease-be-funny

turtleboy

April 29th, 2020 at 12:31 AM ^

He has no future in football. He had a good past in football, but he doesn't have a future in it for pretty obvious reasons. He often didn't make reads, or when he did he made bad reads, or when he made good reads he made bad throws. He made good throws too, but not enough of them. Those things were glaringly obvious at the collegiate level, they'll be even more pronounced in the NFL. I wish him all the best, certainly I'm no better, I have no place in the nfl, neither does he. His future success lies elsewhere. 

micheal honcho

April 29th, 2020 at 9:59 AM ^

I don’t know why this result was not blatantly obvious to all of us here. 
 

What is the difference between QB at the CFB level vs. NFL? Simple. You HAVE to be able to deliver the ball into windows less than 1/2 the size of those in CFB. What does the require as a pre requisite? Velocity. If your ball floats, it’s a pic. 
 

What is the next most important skill in the NFL? Read and recognize. How many WRs did Shea miss that were, upon further review, wide open. An NFL scout doesn’t have too see that in film too many times to say hard no. This is something, like velocity, that cannot be fixed and they know it. 
 

Next? Pocket presence. The ability to stand in there until the last possible second in the face of a pass rush and deliver the strike. She’s bailed out of at least a dozen clean pockets this year. NFL scout sees that. Hard no. 
 

He was a high 3* that camped his way to 5* status. You can fool college recruiters because they look at 18yr olds very raw and talk about potential. They LOVE camps. So did Shea. But the NFL knows what they are looking at and no rivals writer can fool them. 
 

BTW, this is the problem with camps. Participation merits something and that something is ratings. Long time HS coach from Wisconsin told me a couple years ago that you could build a serviceable B1G offensive line from unrated kids in Wisconsin. They work family farms and have no time to go to camps. He counted off 8 kids that ended up in the MAC, or D2, that played in his conference over a decade that spent time in the NFL.