Outrageous -- Patterson deserves a shot
Shea Patterson in just 2 years at Michigan
#7 in passing yards (between Harbaugh and Collins)
#6 in touchdowns (tied with Gardner)
#8 in completions (between Harbaugh and Robinson)
Leader in passing efficiency. Lowest # of interceptions. #1 in yards per game.
• Finalist for the Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award (2018)
• Semifinalist for the Davey O'Brien Award and the Maxwell Award (2018)
• Two-time All-Big Ten selection (third team, coaches, 2018-19, media, 2019; honorable mention, media, 2018)
• Recipient of the 2018 Team Offensive Player of the Year Award
• Two-time Big Ten Co-Offensive Player of the Week (2019)
• Only player in program history with four-plus touchdowns in consecutive weeks (Nov. 16-23, 2019; nine total TD passes)
• Only player in program history with three consecutive 300-yard passing games (Nov. 16, 23, 30, 2019)
• Highest three-game passing total in program history (384 yards, 366 yards, 305 / 1,055 yards, Nov. 16-23-30, 2019)
• Most touchdown passes in regulation in a single game in Michigan history (five, at Indiana, Nov. 23, 2019)
• Second-fastest passer to 5,000 yards in Michigan history (24 games played) with the fourth-fewest attempts needed (619 attempts)
• Third quarterback in program history with 3,000 passing yards in a single season (3,061 in 2019 - second-most all-time)
• Finished his career ranked No. 1 in passing yards per game (217.7), No. 7 in passing yards (5,661), and No. 6 in touchdown passes (45)
I have a hard time believing some team wouldn't pick up Patterson. Let's be real about this. Mediocre quarterbacks get picked up by teams all the time. This includes Wilton Speight, Devin Gardner, and others who never actually played in the NFL but got a cup of coffee.
Whether you view the world with maize-colored glasses or not, he's a Power 5 starter who put up pretty good overall numbers, went 19-6, and is a pretty good athlete.
I have a hunch that something else is going on here. I don't know what it is. Maybe he's got a few teams interested and is trying to pick the best one. Maybe he's considering going back to baseball. I don't know.
What I don't believe is this: Patterson's phone has been silent since the end of the draft.
I wonder if Shea is just not very bright. He had the physical tools, didn't seem to have the mental. Sometimes when I heard him speak in interviews, post game stuff, etc, he just didn't sound very bright. I understand just because someone isn't well spoken, that doesn't necessarily mean they are stupid, but putting it all together it just makes me wonder.
I'm not trying to bash Shea...I thought he had some great moments at Michigan. But as others have said, the NFL isn't in the habit of leaving serviceable talent laying on the ground.
I’ve been wondering about the baseball angle. Let’s face it, barring a major upset, at best he’s going to be a back-up, taxi squad player in the NFL. Is that worth it to take the beating he’ll get when he does play? As I understand his deal with the Rangers, if he reports to an NFL camp, he’d have to pay back his bonus. Not huge, but $25,000 isn’t chicken feed.
That's my feeling as well. Patterson isn't a superstar, but former 5* QBs usually get at least a cup of coffee in a roster. The fact he hasn't signed with someone as a UDFA seems intentional. It may be a bad read by him, but I just don't see a world where people haven't reached out to him.
Its a bummer, I hope he gets a shot at some point. Random thoughts on why he isn't getting any interest:
- Not a pocket passer, better on the run but that will get you blasted back to 1990 in the NFL
- Decision making skills seem to be inconsistent. If you are going to do zone read in NFL, you better make the right call most of the time....seemed like he struggled with that last year. And add finding the right receiver to this one too, that wide open Nico route on the sidelines Oooof , was that against OSU?
- At times I thought he couldnt control the huddle...i.e. get the guys dialed in before a snap. Obviously huge in NFL....gotta earn that respect.
And him not getting signed tells me the rumor he wanted to come back was true, or at least try for it....maybe Jim gave him the ol handshake and is ready for Dylan/Joe battle. Who knows?
But I wish him the best with whatever he does
I tend to agree. I fully expected him to be signed as a UDFA, and I can't believe nobody has called him up yet. I wonder if he tanked his combine interviews or something.
If he's so bad that he can't even find a spot on a practice squad, that does not bode well for us next year. If Patterson is really that bad, McCaffrey or Milton should have taken the starting job from him last year.
Harbaugh has his QB who he’s gonna ride with until he can’t justify it any longer.
Thats why we didn’t see Brandon Peters play until the season was pretty much over in 2017.
This is a ludicrous assertion. First, DMac was hurt, and had he not been, might well have taken over the starting spot. Second, Milton was still an underclassman, and although working hard, was learning the new offense as well. Further, Michigan won’t be starting last years DMac or Milton, they’ll be starting this year’s QB after likely offseason, spring and camp improvements. I swear to Yost so many, alleged, Michigan fans make the most asinine leaps to try to justify their negativity.
Making an NFL practice squad as an USFA, and beating out two underclassmen for a starting spot on a college team are not comparable. Sadly, I get the sense that no matter Shea’s draft status you’d find a way to craft it to fit your narrative:
Undrafted, no practice squad, Michigan’s current QB’s really suck. Drafted, wow look, Michigan had an NFL QB on the roster and the offense STILL sucked! It’s akin to that OL recruit who went to Northwestern. Why are we recruiting a lowly 2* OL?! Holy shit, we’re losing recruits to Northwestern!
Patterson was playing like shit before that Wisconsin game. McCaffrey should have been playing against Army.
How much you wanna bet the winner of McCaffrey/Milton will pass him, and McCarthy will set the school passing yards record?
Michigan is just now entering the modern offense.
He's just not that good.
He will get a shot with the Texas Rangers. He still has 2 years remaining on that contract as far as I know.
He had his shot all of 2019 and blew it.
I don't know, have no idea if this is true, but when someone regresses as badly as he did, I can't help but feel they just didn't put in the work.
Shea deserves nothing — the NFL is the ultimate meritocracy — and trying to use his position in the Michigan record books and award nominations does nothing to strengthen your dubious assertion.
Shea could have had a crappy Michigan career, and been drafted if he impressed a GM or two. I don’t think Shea did anything well enough, and lacked the arm strength, to “deserve a shot.”
Two things. One, perhaps NFL scouts and GMs watched his film instead of looking at his stat sheet/record book. Many of those "records" represent the evolving game of football, not the development of an NFL QB.
Two, I would wager that the vast majority of 2nd and 3rd string NFL QBs are there as a fit with that team's coach/GM/scheme, not because they are going to be the next starting QB. Patterson carries baggage (not necessarily negative) going back to high school. Teams might just decide the talent doesn't outweigh the baggage.
It is kind of weird that no team would take a flyer on him. The Steelers were one headshot away from grabbing a guy off the street last year.
There were too many times the past three years that it looked as though Michigan had done exactly that. It would be interesting to know what Harbaugh said when the NFL came asking-there is you answer as to why Shea has no takers. And what sucks for everyone associated with Michigan football is that it took two years and "too late" for JH to come to his senses here. This was a big-time coaching error and this is JH admitting it.
It is kind of weird that no team would take a flyer on him. The Steelers were one headshot away from grabbing a guy off the street last year.
Feels like a real lose/lose for the program. A lot of perspectives can be had and they all make UM look bad.
Could the coaches not develop him? If he doesn’t have enough talent to get a sniff in the NFL on top of blowing off the off season program how in the world did McCaffery or Milton not beat him out? Even if we come full circle best case scenario and one of those guys turns into a stud next year it will still come back to being a bad look for the coaches not playing the guy over Shea previously.
So even if Milton or DMac turn out to be elite QB’s Shea not making an NFL is still going to linger on as a “bad look” for Michigan? Why exactly?
Oh that’s right ... because people will think that 2020 DMac or Milton is EXACTLY the same QB as he was in the beginning of 2019, and therefore should have been playing over 2019 Shea because 2020 Shea couldn’t make an NFL team. Seriously? That’s what you’re going with?
Critical thinking seems to be a completely foreign concept to you, and seemingly, others in relation to Michigan football.
Lol not agreeing with you shows an inability to critically think? Sounds more like you lack an ability to have a conversation or entertain an opinion or point of view that’s different from your own.
Dcaf’s been with the program for 4 years. Not to mention growing up in a football family with a father who had a long nfl career and an all pro brother. He’s not some raw wet behind the ears in coming freshman. If he legitimately couldn’t beat out Shea than he’s not very good. If he legitimately couldn’t get the coaches to put him in when Shea was supposedly playing hurt he’s not very good. If he is good and the coaches kept rolling out a supposedly injured Shea who was playing poorly anyway than we have a serious coaching problem
April 28th, 2020 at 11:03 PM ^
Shea knew he had the starting job going into 2019, so he coasted -- it takes a lot for an OC to call a guy out for lack of work, especially in Gattis' first year -- so yeah, he coasted. He played the way he did against the cupcakes, and JH finally had enough during the Wisconsin game. He put in Dylan, and Dylan got injured.
Fast forward to what NFL scouts probably saw....what was good? Shea showed a lack of arm strength, not-great accuracy, poor decision-making, and - given that the players seemed happy when Dylan came in - maybe an issue with leadership. If there's nothing good, he's not going to get a look. As far as where he finished in the record books, that's a reflection on Michigan's offensive philosophy rather than a positive for him.
April 29th, 2020 at 12:37 AM ^
Lol not agreeing with you shows an inability to critically think?
making stupid assertions, not whether or not you agree with me, that displays your lack of critical thinking. I’ll entertained your opinion, and came to the conclusion that your argument that “it’s not a good look” is asinine because 2020 is a new year and only stupid fans proffer ridiculous assertions like yours.
Harbaugh said they were neck and neck, Shea struggled against Wisconsin, so midway through game #3, he was benched. But, DMac got badly concussed, and by the time he got back healthy, Shea was playing fairly ... well not poorly. Your revisionist history isn’t helping your case in the least. Your agenda is clear.
Deserves? The 4 UofM OLinemen who got drafted deserved better QB play from Patterson.
Jake Luton (Oregon State), Cole McDonald (Hawaii), Ben DiNucci (James Madison), Tommy Stevens (Miss. State), Nate Stanley (Iowa), Reid Sinnett (San Diego), Steven Montez (Colorado), Tyler Huntley (Utah), J'Mar Smith (Louisiana Tech), Nick Tiano (Tennessee-Chattanooga), Brian Lewerke (Michigan State), Chase Cookus (Northern Arizona), Kevin Davidson (Princeton), Josh Love (San Jose State), Riley Neal (Vanderbilt), Bryce Perkins (Virginia), Anthony Gordon (Washington State), Chris Steveler (South Dakota)
Every single one of those guys -- not some of them, not this guy or that guy -- but every single one of those guys -- is better than:
The Michigan QB who is (in all of Michigan history) #1 in passing yards per game, lowest in interceptions, #1 in passing efficiency, and in 2 years, #7 in total passing yards, #8 in completions, and #6 in touchdowns?
No way.
Do you really think NFL GM’s give a rats ass about where a QB stands in the record books of his respective college program? If they discuss it at all it’s for context, not as anything remotely qualitative in their analysis of him moving forward.
I was clear on what I said. Here it is again in fewer words:
I don't believe that every one of those guys is better than Shea Patterson.
Ok, I do believe its possible every one of those guys will make a better NFL QB than Shea Patterson
Saying something is possible is meaningless. Just about everything is possible.
Assuming quantum mechanics is a true model of reality (which so far, it seems to be), it is possible for me and you spontaneously to turn into bowling balls.
The likelihood of that, though, is vanishingly small.
What matters is the likelihood of things, not whether or not it is possible.
Do you think it likely that Patterson is a better QB than some of those guys?
April 29th, 2020 at 12:46 AM ^
Who gives a fuck what you think, or what I think, or what anyone thinks about Shea vs all those QB’s. NFL GM’s assess the player, not the player as compared to other players, per se. if two players pass their initial assessment, and they’re choosing between two, they make those comparisons. Shea, unfortunately, didn’t get to that point. So, whether he’s “better” is irrelevant and whole subjective.
One of those QBs has to come in last in terms of an NFL level talent....Why can’t it be Shea?
Then it’s up to Shea to go out and prove them wrong.
He never said NFL GM's care about that. But the fact that Patterson did that and Lewerke didn't is evidence that Patterson is a better QB than Lewerke. How did Lewerke get signed as a UDFA but Patterson didn't? Do you honestly believe Lewerke is a better QB than Patterson?
This happens all the time in the NFL. A QB who is perceived as being “better” in college ends up being ranked lower in the eyes of NFL teams for a wide variety of reasons.
I’m not agreeing with the contention that Lewerke is a better NFL QB than Patterson but, at least in the eyes of the Patriots, he is. But let’s stop acting like this is the first time a QB has been given a shot over someone who statistically was better in college.
April 29th, 2020 at 11:29 AM ^
But the fact that Patterson did that and Lewerke didn't is evidence that Patterson is a better QB than Lewerke.
This is patently false, and yet another glaring display of a conspicuous lack of critical thinking skill.
Patterson threw and ran for a combined 52 TDs in two years at Michigan. For comparison, Justin Fields was responsible for 51 TDs last year alone. His ranks in Michigan history speak far more to how Michigan has used QBs historically than proving how good Patterson is or is not.
Exactly. Those stats are an indictment of our passing game (or lack thereof), not evidence of Patterson’s amazing QB abilities.
You guys compared Patterson to one QB who happens to be in the top few QB's in the country.
How is he compared to those other 30 guys who got on teams?
Here is not a valid comparison:
Mitchewr doesn't make as much money per year as Jeff Bezos. Therefore, Mitchewr sucks professionally.
Except I made no comparison or judgment about Patterson's abilities at all. You were the one touting his rankings on Michigan's all-time QB stats lists as proof of his deserving of a roster spot. I simply put those numbers in context to show that they really don't prove much of anything about Patterson, especially when you aren't talking about total numbers that truly aren't that impressive.
I think football stats do give information about ability. Not 100%, but an amount more useful than zero.
Last I checked there were many "statistically good" QB's in CFB history that were absolutely terrible - or didn't even make a roster - in the NFL. He showed great heart at times, giving his all for his teammates, but I'm sorry to say that Shea is one of these.
I will hold until the day I die the belief that DCaff would've taken over as starter after the Wisconsin game if he hadn't gotten hurt.
I think he would be a nice backup QB. He was not drafted because he did not have a big arm but he has accuracy for those short and medium range passes.
but he has accuracy for those short and medium range passes.
Does he though? I don't think I would say that Patterson is above average in that aspect.
He'll just have to focus on his minor league contract with the Texas Rangers because his football career is done.
Honest question would we be making this argument if Shea Patterson was not a 5-star recruit? Shea did some really good things at Michigan but is undersized, lacks arm strength, has average accuracy, happy feet in the pocket, and does not get rid of the ball on time. He has amazing play making skills and is an above average athlete yet fails to stand out in big games with 4 NFL lineman and likely 2 NFL WR.
It's really not that outrageous
To me it is outrageous.
Maybe the records he broke are historically and comparably pedestrian?
No, but if you are interested, you could look up what stats are actually average for whatever sample base you want.