OT: Florida Suspends Alcohol At Bars
Florida is suspending the drinking of alcohol at bars, according to a tweet from Halsey Beshears, the secretary of the Department of Business & Professional Regulation.
The move comes as Florida on Friday announced a record-breaking number of coronavirus cases.
It also comes just days after Gov. Ron DeSantis threatened to pull the liquor licenses of bars that didn’t follow the state’s re-opening guidelines.
“If you go in and it’s just like mayhem, like Dance Party USA and it’s packed to the rafters, that’s just cut and dry. That’s not just an innocent mistake,” DeSantis said.
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This country is about to go all the way off the rails in about every direction imaginable. Literally, people on every side of every discussion have lost all perspective and ability to reason. This includes myself, I am not claiming high ground here. If there is not some moderation of thought and action really soon by both individuals and leaders, local and national all of this could spin out of control on a national scale. I feel like we are at a tipping point amongst tipping points right now. Everybody, everybody needs to take a deep breath and regroup right now. All of this is getting scary.
I hope you have a bunker stocked with rations.
Have you had a certified inspection?
LAW & ORDER: BUNKER INSPECTORS UNIT
Maybe being moderate isn't the virtue you're making it out to be.
I'm struggling to find an example in history of a global problem that was solved or solvable by moderate policies and actions. Sometimes extreme action is necessary to solve extreme issues.
No, extremism is not what is required right now. Extremism is what has landed us in the situation we are in right now. Escalating extremism from every facet of ideology and policy.
I've finally remembered who it is you remind me of. A kid I taught several years ago in a middle school history class. He'd find a new buzzword and just drive it into the ground because he didn't understand what it actually meant or how it influenced an argument. He just loved the idea that he knew something he thought no one else knew.
50% of the new cases are ages 20-35. Apparently the young people can't handle bars open.
Look what happened at Harper's in EL. It's now at 51 cases. Those people went back to their homes and spread it.
I see more young people not wearing masks. I just dont understand it.
There's been a ton of promotion about how young people have a low risk of health issues/death from COVID-19 that I think people associated it with an immunity it's lowered risk of contracting it, which obviously are two different things.
I feel like we're going to see a lot of secondary infections where a young person is a vector for older/more at-risk people coming down with it.
Depends on subjective values of "extreme" and "moderate"
The Cold War ended without the obvious extreme of WW3, and it had plenty of opportunities, but leaders, grown-ups on both sides at different times, paused and said, "no, not today". Granted it's end was caused not by peace per se, but by a regime change, but even there, if you'd asked anyone born before 1980 if they would've predicted the Communist party in Russia to go out with such a complete fizzle (I know there were small hullabaloos, but compare that kerfluffle in Moscow to what it could have been, like, say the reds vs. the whites)... And yeah, I fully realize that Putin is a former Soviet leader, and a pretty crummy guy, but still, I'm less worried about one overly tight pair of undies causing someone to do something that can't be saved.
That was a pretty extremely moderate ending (used deliberately)
But consider that the Cold War is a misnomer and both the USSR and America fought multiple wars while it went on. The USSR was a totalitarian state (pretty extreme) which led directly to its failure. And once the extremes of executing the entire intelligentsia ended (another extreme) liberal thought took hold again and added to the pressure inside the USSR to make drastic changes.
We may not agree on the definition of "cold war" USA and USSR were actively trying to assert dominance over the other for 45 years, but never came to active blows with each other. That there were (relatively) minor wars for each is actually part of the point - it never went nuclear. It could have. Moderation reined in MacArthur's call to use nukes in Korea. Cold means nothing active with each other, and cold in interaction, it doesn't mean that nothing happened.
Oh, and mob rule always leads to totalitarianism until moderation restores sanity. That's just an historical truism. I'm not so sure I'd use the term "liberal thought took hold" to rein in a communist government, not quite how that works.
The Cold War is “cold” not in the sense that there was no “hot” warfare or fighting going on, but that the USA and USSR didn’t DIRECTLY fight each other. Direct warfare would’ve resulted in nuclear holocaust, hence all of the ”hot” fighting came in the form of proxy wars (Korean war, Vietnam war etc) which were manifestations of the ideological battle between democracy/capitalism and totalitarianism/communism.
moderate? you use the words, 'overly tight pair of undies' and 'pretty crummy guy' in your reply and call that moderate?! i, for one, am outraged.
Shouldn't I be the one outraged?
excellent point.
note to GBTal - in russia coffee from the KGB is spelled: polonium
No, Mr. President. You are on the ash heap of history, but don't know it.
I grew up terrified of the bomb. Still am.
We should start another cold war. Americans do better as a people when we have something external to hate and be afraid of. When we don't have that common enemy, we turn against each other.
I'm much more happy that we are airing our grievances and fixing our warts as a country right now. We don't need another war to distract us from fixing problems on our home soil. We've shown our ass to the world recently. We don't have much of a leg to stand on internationally. Let's clean our own shit up before we start being righteous again.
Fair points. We have a lot of house cleaning to do.
And I think an actual apology tour, one that exists in reality, is probably in order for the next administration.
We've shown ourselves to be incredibly selfish, stupid, and worst of all, an unreliable ally.
If one's allies are Chamberlain and Daladier, do you really think the title "reliable" is a good thing?!?
Apology tour? Please. Who specifically are we apologizing to?
Australia. Mexico. Haiti (and the rest of the shithole countries). The UK. Germany. France. Really all of NATO (other than Poland and Hungary).
I'm sure I missed a few.
We don't need extremism. That's a road to authoritarianism.
What we need is compassion, unity, and a spirit of community. We are all in this together. Let's all be good to each other. If that means I wear and mask and stay 6' away from you, I'll do it so we all benefit and get through this crisis together.
My parents sacrificed a great deal during WW2. Fuel rationing, meatless Fridays, lack of consumer goods/food stuffs because resources were directed to military needs, etc. We can't even be respectful of each other and wear masks.
What you describe in your second paragraph is what a significant portion of this country calls extremism. So yeah, I'm advocating extremism. Because rabid centrism and moderation got us into this mess with the insistence that we treat those who practice professional contrarianism as serious partners in a debate. That has never worked, and now it's killing tens of thousands of people a month.
Co-sign. We're a country that thinks adding 14¢ to a pizza so people can have health insurance is extremist.
Centrism is the spirit of talking, of hoping that everyone's intent is a good one. Listening, believing that even if we disagree, our hearts are in the right place. I'm willing to bet you and I disagree on everything short of sky=blue, sunrise=east, and OSU=a place where they need two university level brains to spell a 4-letter word, but that doesn't make me believe you have anything but good intentions for everyone. Differences, even big differences aren't bad, they're opportunities for creativity and ideas.
"professional contrarianism", good term, borrowing this.
Extremism is almost always the wrong answer. Now yes, sometimes extremism is the solution to an already extreme wrong idea, read: WW2 to stop the extremism of Nazis - BUT, if the Nazis weren't evil, the US was content to continue being nice and neutral and peaceful. Not perfect, no society is ever perfect, but at least peaceful.
Nope. American centrism is the idea that what ever lies politically in the middle of the furthest right and furthest left position must be the correct answer. This is almost never true, and people who believe it need to go back to some basic poli sci courses.
Historically speaking, America's at it's best when the pendulum swings back and forth close to the middle. Neither side has it all right, there's plenty of policies on both sides that make me want to tear my hair out. They've existed for 50+ years, have shown no appreciable ability to accomplish their purported goals, and yet, the party keeps asking the American people to double down on the funding. Hint, that's the swamp. When we've been at our worst, the government has been significantly out of whack. Right now, we are out of whack, but not that bad. A lot of people would disagree on which side of center that out of whack resides, which is actually from where our current problems stem. Both sides seem to think we're way outside on their opposite side - and fear that there's some kind of totalitarian plot by the other side to keep it that way, hogwash. Bush succeeded to Clinton who passed it to Bush 2 to Obama, Obama to Trump, Trump to the next person... Policies were made, some good some bad in every administration. There's stuff to agree with and disagree with for each of those men, but we've got to stop thinking that the sky is falling every time one of these guys sends a tweet. Very little of our day to day lives should revolve around what Washington is doing.
But even through all of history, the one policy I can fully support and has never pointed us wrong, is that OSU sucks :)
Only a Sith deals in ultimatums.
Ah yes, the extreme extremism of wearing a fucking mask because we're in the middle of a pandemic.
I'm with you on the bullcrap Cult of Moderate, but nothing anyone seriously proposed was even remotely extreme. Other nations temporarily shut down but they managed it better because they weren't political about it. Because what's "extreme" about pandemic control? This was easily the least political issue of the last 100 years. Virus bad. Things that prevent transmission good. The virus itself isn't a special interest. It's not competing for tax revenue or endorsing a candidate. But the MAGAsshats couldn't help themselves because when liberals took a stand against a friggin' pandemic they took offense. Meanwhile, the "both sides" idiots are well beyond the point of delusionally stupid when the debate is literally pro- or anti-a goddamn virus that kills and maims people.
Honestly, just when I'd set my expectations for this country right around "dumb as cockroaches" I think I have to apologize to cockroaches because you don't see them huffing Raid because liberals and experts told them not to. Even cockroaches have functional self-preservation.
You clearly suck as a human being.
If it wasn't for the America hating Dems, the shutdowns would have worked. But they had to spend the whole time saying that President Trump caused every problem ever. When in reality he's done more to fix problems caused by the previous admin.
Get real, it's not the MAGA folks, its the left wing assholes that claim to be the party of inclusion but only if you apply the exact group think that they approve of.
"Get real, it's not the MAGA folks, its the left wing assholes that claim to be the party of inclusion but only if you apply the exact group think that they approve of."
You mean the guy who wants less testing ("I don't kid") because it makes him look bad? That Guy?
"If it wasn't for the America hating Dems, the shutdowns would have worked. "
This is maybe the dumbest thing I've ever heard. There was only one side pushing for premature reopening and refusing to wear masks and it sure wasn't the Democrats
Also, and probably most importantly, it isn't the Democrats who control the federal government and the outlay of monies and creation of policies to deal with this.
Blaming Democrats for the failure of political leadership is simply nonsensical, and I honestly have no idea how one is supposed to hold a worthwhile conversation with the 20-30% of people who believe that bullshit.
Oh Ash, you sweet Summer child....
The Democrats do control the house. And they've controlled both the house, Senate and White House at times within the last administration. If you put all the blame for our government on the current administration - you're telling the other side to hold your party over the fire when they have power. Do you really believe Pres. Obama or Clinton or ANY president of any party got EVERYTHING right?!?
I'm not telling you to switch sides, but don't be this fucking naive. Decisions Trump makes will have effects on the next person, as decisions Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, etc. etc. made have made effects on the government we have today. It's never, ever, ever one administration's fault.
Nope because they were too busy sending elderly covid-19 positive patients into nursing homes
Imagine what it takes to believe the shutdowns didn't work because Dems said mean things about Trump.
You clearly suck as a fish.
Must be the effects of swimming in your own poop all day and bullying anyone who goes near your rock.
Seriously, who talks to people this way?
This is a good time to remind everyone that science/nature does not care about what you believe. Your opinions do not matter one bit. You may ignore the facts, but that does not mean that they do not exist or they will go away.
Virus is going to do its own thing whether or not you believe it.
You can't honestly believe that. Haha wow what arrogance.
NOTHING has had a bigger effect on the numbers than the millions out on the streets nightly protesting every day the last 3 weeks. You even paying attention. They are on top of each other. It's completely insane how we went from don't leave the home or less than a few people only to thousands upon thousands screaming and inches away from each other. No mask is protecting that kind of behavior.
I'm not a trumper but you have to be crazy if you think a guy not wearing a mask to the grocery store is what is causing this surge. Not even a comparison. The left pointing the finger now is one of the biggest hypocritical acts I've seen in my lifetime. THEY are the main reason for this spike. It's basic 4th grade math and logic.
Look at the average age has plummeted the last two weeks. You're just as blind as the people you're criticizing. Sad how stubborn people have become politically.
Please learn to research a subject before spouting off.
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/06/24/883017035/what-contact-tracing-may-tell-about-cluster-spread-of-the-coronavirus
See my post above. The data here at Protest Central (Minnesota) severely undermines your claim. 1.5% protesters testing positive vs. 3.5% for the population at large. And our number of new daily cases is half of what it was at the time of the protests.
Try again.
New York had protests, why didn't their numbers spike?
Minnesota had protests, why didn't their numbers spike?
Michigan had protests, why didn't our numbers spike?
You know what is leading to a rise in Michigan's numbers? A now-51 person outbreak stemming from an open bar in East Lansing where people crammed in without masks.
The number of people in the south that are living life every day like we're not in a pandemic far outweighs the number of people that protested without a mask (which is a small percent of the protesters).
Not sure why these governors taking reasonable precautions prompted your fear of the apocalypse, but you are ijohnb.
Bingo. You can have freedoms when you start acting responsibly with that freedom. You learn this shit in elementary school. One bad group breaking the rules normally oppresses the whole class.
Wear masks and don't spend time in crowded enclosed spaces if possible. Shouldn't be particularly difficult or controversial.
wtf are you talking about? the white nationalists and radical right mouth breathers who make public health a political issue revolving around "freedom" (perhaps forgetting they are governed and abide by thousands of laws every day) need to take a deep breath and regroup and do what, exactly?
Regardless of your preferred source of news, stop watching it! Every outlet is spinning their own narrative to get clicks and thus revenue, and outrage and fear mongering are the best ways to get clicks!
Take a walk outside, talk to a neighbor, enjoy the sun. Be responsible with distancing and wear a mask in public. But please, stop screaming "the country is at a turning point" to anyone who will listen... panic only induces panic in others, and no one can think rationally when emotions are high.
Be thankful for what you have, the people you have, and focus on what you can control. This isn't the end of the world, or the country.. it's a tumultuous time, and it certainly isn't the first or last. We'll get through it.