OT: Florida Suspends Alcohol At Bars
Florida is suspending the drinking of alcohol at bars, according to a tweet from Halsey Beshears, the secretary of the Department of Business & Professional Regulation.
The move comes as Florida on Friday announced a record-breaking number of coronavirus cases.
It also comes just days after Gov. Ron DeSantis threatened to pull the liquor licenses of bars that didn’t follow the state’s re-opening guidelines.
“If you go in and it’s just like mayhem, like Dance Party USA and it’s packed to the rafters, that’s just cut and dry. That’s not just an innocent mistake,” DeSantis said.
This is a breaking story and will be updated.
This country is the absolute “herp duh derp” of the developed world. It’s embarrassing.
Trade-offs in everything. Freedom comes with people being a bit self-involved from time to time. Of course, that self-involvement takes various forms, some people think their actions don't affect others, sometimes it's that people think we have more stupid people; we don't (we REALLY don't) we just have less drones. Drones may be good for Covid #'s, but bad for productivity, creativity, and overall individual well-being.
It sucks right now, and idiots hanging out in bars thinking they're immune or whatever it is that causes them to act rashly are as irritating as the assholes who pass on the right or drive slow in the third or fourth lane in normal time.
Still, just like the drivers, we have a choice, we can adapt, think ahead and avoid letting them cause us to crash, or we can let them cause us stress, because really, don't we all need more stress?!?
Guess what, there are plenty of creative, entrepreneurial folks that can understand why it makes sense to wear a mask. And there are plenty of drones who have chosen not to wear a mask.
In your example, how did the person who really needs elective surgery think ahead and avoid the idiots in the bars overwhelming the hospital system causing cancellation of elective surgery?
/sigh. I'm going to borrow a term from a post above, "professional contrarianism"...
I'm not trying to pigeonhole anyone and not suggesting whatever idea it is you've decided to get upset about. The guy said the country is full of stupid people. It's not. That's my only point. The end. It was deliberately simple, I know that there's nuance and anecdotal counters, but that requires big words and levels of thought rarely displayed in Internet chatrooms.
So, very simply, with all due respect that there's more depth than placed here, i.e. on the Cat in the Hat level ... America's not dumber than other places, we are what we are, and we do have a culture that is different from most. Those differences are pretty easy to understand, but then we're getting to chapter books, so let's stick with Cat in the Hat. We're not dumb. You're allowed to disagree, but then, you can't even take somebody saying people aren't dumb without wanking about it, so I already assume you do. Sorry that we disagree, I've actually spent time looking into this, I feel very ok with my premise. Good luck to you.
Call it what you want but the level of scientific scepticism + power of Fox 'news' + The power of Presidential/right-wing gaslighting is far beyond anything I've seen over here in Europe and it seems to be playing out in the relative numbers of per capita cases, hospitalizations and deaths.
It’s interesting, because the word dumb didn’t even appear in my post. I’ve never bothered to take time to look into a comparison of how many stupid people there are in the US as compared to other countries.
The assertion that I was disagreeing about was
”Of course, that self-involvement takes various forms, some people think their actions don't affect others, sometimes it's that people think we have more stupid people; we don't (we REALLY don't) we just have less drones. Drones may be good for Covid #'s, but bad for productivity, creativity, and overall individual well-being. ”
I don’t think the proud non mask wearers have any sort of monopoly on being productive or creative. I also think many of the non mask wearers exhibit clear drone like behavior in their decision not to wear masks. I also feel very good about my premise and I couldn’t care less about what you wank about or think that I do (that was a very odd little digression in your tirade btw).
Good luck to you as well.
" not suggesting whatever idea it is you've decided to get upset about."
And here was my reply to your post, in a nutshell.
You wanted to make a thing out of a not-thing, I didn't want to bite because it was just about time to go home. You're reading too much into what I wrote, making your comment pedantic and unnecessary. I did not suggest or imply that mask advocates are more or less productive or creative than non mask advocates. I did suggest, and history demonstrates, that American culture has been successful at cultivating creativity and productivity, as evidenced by our consistent at or near top-of-world productivity marks. American culture's advocacy and celebration of creativity has given us a bevy of outlets. Our willingness to embrace the individual does come with downsides, for example when the government wants everyone to do one thing, sometimes people will be inclined to be contrary - even if logic would suggest they should conform.
‘’Drones may be good for Covid #'s, but bad for productivity, creativity, and overall individual well-being.” Your words, not mine.
I just fundamentally disagree that caring about your fellow citizen and therefore wearing a mask is a sign of a drone. I don’t think the reason we are struggling so much to control covid is America’s individualisim. I think it is a lack of leadership, or more accurately, an insecure leader who is actively encouraging a bunch of drones not to do the thing we all need to be doing to slow down the spread of covid, keep our hospitals from getting overwhelmed and protect our economy.
You're misconstruing my point...
It's not a binary, nor am I suggesting it is. Americans focus on freedom makes certain people more likely to be contrarian.
So as an EXAMPLE, when everyone says, "wear a mask", one is more likely in America to find people who say, "to hell with what everybody's doing!"
And it's not any one person or idea or concept. Some people are more likely to be non-conforming if the government gives an order. Some people are more likely to be non-conforming if non-governmental authority figures give an order. Some people are just naturally contrarian, and American culture accepts this.
As far as leadership, well, we disagree, but that subject is based on highly subjective concepts and no Internet chat is equipped with the capacity for such. I'll just say as a topic for thought that the President has specifically recommended masks, that everything you think of towards this president's lack of fitness and the drones that follow him, people on the other side thought about the last president, and if you think they're wrong, then couldn't that mean you are too?
Florida needs Big Gretch!
Why, so it can go from one of the better states in COVD deaths to one of the worst?
Whitmer has been fine, if heavy handed. I never expected that state or federal politicians would have perfect information in a once in 100 years pandemic, and therefore never expected perfect decisions. But her disastrous policy of pushing covd patients into nursing homes - where they then infected and killed exactly the most vulnerable people on the planet - was ill informed, contrary to science and common sense, and will haunt her response. As will her decision to keep that policy in place for so long after it was clearly a deadly error. So it is also in New York and New Jersey.
I live in NY and Cuomo has been terrible. The way he forced sick patients into nursing homes, then denied it, then tried to change it without acknowledging it - that's just the tip of the iceberg. His reopening 4-phase plan is one of the least rational plans among the states, often giving contradictory statements, often producing insane results like mini-golf courses allowed to be open in the suburbs of NYC but not up here in the Adirondacks. He moved patients from hospital to hospital when they were too sick to move, and he gives no warning about major changes (my public school district has zero formal guidance right now about how to approach next year, restaurants around here had less than 24 hours notice before the 'reopening' happened, the beaches here don't know what to do about capacity changes, etc.). But the worst thing is that he was woefully unprepared to deal with any of this.
Does that make him worse than many other governors? Not necessarily, but he sure doesn't deserve his ~80% approval rating.
I don't think he's any worse than any other governor, with the exception of the disastrous nursing home decision. And that's a pretty awful exception. He also has NYC, which was disproportionately affected by 1) largest city, people gathering together closely, 2) St. Patrick's Day mega spread, 3) young people disregarding rules.
I did watch several of his press conferences early, and he did seem to give off a sense of clear leadership and strength. That's very important in a crisis and I thought he handled the moment really well. However when the deaths kept climbing and the nursing home decision became clear, I assumed he'd be criticized and diminished. He was, on conservative outlets, but the liberals ones seemed to ignore it and kept (and continue to) propping him up.
Other than that, he was a high profile fighter of orange man (though the two actually found some common ground in between blows) in a blue state. That's sadly probably all you need for an 80% approval rating these days.
St Patrick’s Day parade was cancelled and the City really went into shutdown on the 16th, which is when they announced bars and restaurants would be closing.
Subways were the real problem as your shoulder to shoulder with strangers with no knowledge of what was really happening until it was too late.
He wasn’t the only one that made bad decisions about nursing homes and his decision was entirely consistent with CDC guidance at the time.
Well when your citizens tell medical experts to go fuck themselves because they'd rather listen to politicians who only tell them what they want to hear, this is your end result.
I don't wish for anyone to get sick or die from this, but reap what you sow, DeSantis. You and all the pieces of shit who whined and complained about having their freedoms and personal liberties being taken away because of being asked to wear a mask. You are the definition of selfish.
I don't believe any citizens actually use that phrase to medical experts
I mean sure, they don't literally walk up to medical experts and tell them to go fuck themselves. I would've liked to think you could pick up on the hyperbole.
My point is that there are so many people who don't want to hear a word about wearing masks, and that's usually for a couple of reasons:
1) They're in denial about what kind of effect the virus can have (aka the "its just the flu" crowd).
2) They've conjured some complete bullshit mindset about how wearing a mask is infringing on their personal liberties as Americans. That wearing a mask is somehow akin to the Intolerable Acts the redcoats forced on the colonists, and that Washington, Jefferson, Madison and all of the framers would be so proud of them standing up for their rights.
3) Because someone on CNN said its a good idea so it must be a lie. I don’t believe everything the MSM says either, but when every medical expert out there says this is a good idea, that’s usually a pretty good indicator that you ought to follow their advice. If not for yourself then for the person next to you.
4) Its just an inconvenience to them, and they don’t care about what happens to anyone else as long as it doesn’t affect them.
Some people would rather be told what they want to hear vs. what they need to hear. And there’s no one on this earth better than telling people what they want to hear than a politician (on both sides of the aisle). The fact that a very sizable portion of people in America will blindly take our president’s uneducated, ill-informed medical opinion over that of doctors, nurses, virulogists, and other medical practitioners who have worked in the field for years, if not longer, is infuriating.
New york 31000 deaths
Florida and texas combined less than 6000..over twice the population of new york..
Will deaths tick up in those 2 states the next month..yes probably but they will never ever come close to new york.
Tell me who is selfish now..the idiot in New York who killed thousands upon thousands of the elderly for no reason..or the guys in the 2 selfish states you call who saved the elderly and now have cases spiking in the young who 99.9%wont have an effect on them
Good grief. Sadly this feels more like an effort to save face vs an earnest attempt to stem the rise of infections.
the jujitsu these morons will go through to avoid displeasing Trump is beyond my comprehension.
Seems like a very logical measure.
Since when is Flurrduh filled with smart people?
I mean, "Florida Man" stories didn't just create themselves.
almost as dumb as those a -holes with guns protecting the barber in Owosso
De Santis is an asshole who recently said he will not mandate masks because you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. I live in Collier County FL. which is a hot spot. When I go to the grocery store There are so many jerks without masks invading your space etc. I saw two deputy sheriffs shopping without masks yesterday, I sent an email to the Sheriff. He replied there is no law requiring people to wear masks. Great leadership here
Centrism and reason - working together - are raised in this thread, and those ideas are attacked by leftists. No attacks come from the right.
As The Man say, that says something about something.
The bad part about this news is that this record is the result of events 1-2 weeks ago. The next 2 weeks.. expect rise in deaths AND a new record in cases.
Wear your masks and spend time outside in the open than crowded in bars and restaurants. The outside air is only very mildly poisonous and kills you when you are old.
47,000 new cases today. Four months into this and it is only going to get worse. At least Trump is running around thinking if he pretends it’s not happening it will go away.
Good job by all you dumb asses that decided it would be a great idea to elect a shady real estate developer turned reality TV star to be president. This shit is your fault.
I am currently in a Florida bar enjoying a nice libation. I just asked the server to provide a libation of the patron's choice for the gorgeous blonde patron ten feet away, just beyond the table that says "table closed for social distancing." My desire for social distancing is heavily compromised at the moment. However, tomorrow the authorities should definitely shut this place down.
Good luck.
What a shit sandwich 2020 has been.
Lack of leadership at the federal level is a huge problem for all states, and therefore for all citizens. Having each state independently try to figure out how to handle COVID while the so-called "leaders" in D.C. keep sending dog-whistle messages to their supporters to do the opposite is literally killing people in our country right now. What we needed from the start were strong mandates from the President, who should have been taking his advice from an uncompromised CDC, with no interference from political appointees. Instead, what I see in my diverse state (California) is compliance with protocols (wearing masks, etc.) that closely follows the political distribution of the local communities. I just spent a week in the Bay Area (San Jose/ SF) where literally EVERYONE was wearing a mask on the streets - especially in SF. Compare that to where I live (historically conservative South Orange County), where yesterday I rode my bike along the beach (Doheny) and I was the ONLY person wearing a mask. That this worldwide pandemic ever became a political football in America is the real tragedy of it. So much for American Exceptionalism!