OSU Snowflakes: Coaching / Special Teams

Submitted by LSAClassOf2000 on November 26th, 2023 at 2:00 AM

This will be the thread for hot takes regarding the special teams and overall coaching in our game against OSU. 

gbdub

November 25th, 2023 at 4:15 PM ^

Only complaint was I would have liked to see a little bit bolder playcall on that last 3rd and 6, because getting the ball up 3 with like 7 minutes left and never giving it back would have been absolute peak Boa Constrictor. 

brad

November 25th, 2023 at 4:19 PM ^

MI

 

Thank the Lord, and good for Sherrone, all the coaches and the team.  What a phenomenal win.

I'm ready to have Harbaugh back, and for him to stay for a thousand years, this program is just incredible.

SD Larry

November 25th, 2023 at 4:24 PM ^

Lot's of credit due to a coaching staff that has had this Michigan team play with the poise it has all year.  Coach Hart called the team out to the field to salute Zak when he went down.   They seemed to rally on that.  Gutsy 4 & 1 call to have The Don pass to Loveland.  Also, James Turner has not had a pressure field goal all year and he goes 3 for 3 today including from 51.   To do what this team did without Harbaugh on the sidelines for the last 3 games and the 2 toughest games of the year is an amazing testament to everyone involved.  Go Blue !

MIMark

November 25th, 2023 at 4:29 PM ^

I loved the aggressive play calling. And that made the third and 6 run call with a minute left baffling. Definitely should have been a pass with an option for McCarthy to run, so your QB can deliver the dagger.

Speed_in_Space

November 25th, 2023 at 4:58 PM ^

Heck of a game by the Wolverines, Moore got a bit conservative at times but broke out the good stuff late when it counted. 
 

Proud to be a Wolverines fan today to see this team and staff overcome the absolute hurricane of distractions and adversity that has hit the program. To keep these guys focused when you lose your head coach and lose your best offensive lineman…legendary stuff.

Also for as much as I dislike Ryan Day for the PI thing, kudos to him heading up the tunnel to speak to Zinter’s family. 

Romeo50

November 25th, 2023 at 5:06 PM ^

Hey, I did my part prior to JJ leading them down for that last field goal. I went out of the room till the end of the game and the final kneel down is all I saw. Karma baby!

 

Old Alum

November 25th, 2023 at 5:11 PM ^

Not sure where else to put this question - 

Why did OSU get to take a "practice kick" on the attempted long field goal? Is that allowed? I don't recall seeing that before. 

LSA91

November 25th, 2023 at 5:18 PM ^

What's the game theory about running 3 times up the middle before the final field goal? Is the idea that OSU's chances of a touchdown were lower than our chances of a turnover if we had tried a pass or a QB run?

ca_prophet

November 26th, 2023 at 5:51 AM ^

The first two runs were specifically to bleed OSU's timeouts.  They took one timeout with 2:07 after Corum ran for a chunk first down.  Now, if we get one more first down or exhaust their timeouts, we win.

I am conflicted about the third down call.  On the one hand, I see that removing the last timeout and kicking a high-percentage field goal gives us much of the win expectancy we can get.  On another hand, if we plan to run two plays (perhaps even with a induce-a-jump cadence), we might be able to get that win% to 100.  On the gripping hand, I think a JJ pull could have been back-breaking, but as locked in as he was I'm guessing it hadn't been there all day, so maybe OSU had that one scouted.

TL,DR:  Yes, bleeding off the timeouts is the primary tactical goal, and an incomplete pass stops the clock without a TO.

Hotel Putingrad

November 25th, 2023 at 5:34 PM ^

I was ecstatic at the halfback pass, despondent with the final set of offensive downs, and then exhilarated by the outcome.

As a fat, drunk middle aged man in my lay-z-boy, it was was quite the rollercoaster of emotions. I can't imagine what it was like for Sherrone on the sidelines and Jim watching from home.

oriental andrew

November 25th, 2023 at 5:39 PM ^

Day going for the FG instead taking a shot at the end zone at the end of the first half is exactly what everyone means when they call this team soft. He was playing scared and it showed. 

jabberwock

November 25th, 2023 at 6:35 PM ^

I do not understand that either.  I mean I get taking the points with no time left after you've tried EVERYTHING to get down the field . . .
but
you've got time, timeouts, and a Heisman-level WR, and you're not getting the ball back at the start of the 2nd half either.

was he just worried about Michigan's D and his young QB?

looked charmin-soft to me.

ca_prophet

November 26th, 2023 at 5:58 AM ^

This.  OSU is good to great in a lot of ways.  They had some slick play designs - the Egbuku TD where they legally blocked his defender to put him in a race to the pylon, the Harrison drag route to give McCord an easy throw and MHJ a pylon race, the 3rd-and-8-draw - and their defense is much better than I anticipated.

But the whole college football world saw him blink in the biggest matchup of the year, when he didn't trust his offense to get 2 yards (with low consequences for failure), and instead relied on a college kicker to hit a career long.

All generalizations are wrong, but FWIW ... Moore was reaching out and trying to win The Game (3 go-for-it 4th-downs before we were 20 minutes in!, Orji, Edwards pass, that 4th-down angle-route to Loveland), and Day was trying not to lose it.

 

HateSparty

November 25th, 2023 at 6:09 PM ^

After reviewing the post game interviews, these coaches are special. Builders of men. The warriors on the field are developed by leaders of men. Tip of the cap.

Elated. 

NateVolk

November 25th, 2023 at 6:12 PM ^

I legit thought Moore had at least as good or a better day than 3b. 

Two big head scratchers stood out with Day. Sitting on the clock with a time out in hand, over 30 seconds left in the first half. Content with a very long field goal try. When his O had good momentum. Could have gotten closer or taken a crack at the end zone witn those receivers. 

And then 2nd half, first drive after their first touchdown drive where they owned the LOS pretty soundly: went pitch to the short side on first down. Slow developing play that basically blew up their drive and condemned it to a three and out. 

Man you keep running quick hitting stuff the way their line was blocking on the previous drive. 

Overthinking it. 

kehnonymous

November 25th, 2023 at 7:04 PM ^

Ryan Day is exactly who we thought he is.

He can scheme up an offense and move the ball between the 20's.

He can recruit offensive skill guys and put them in a position to do well.

But when his back is to the wall and his manhood is questioned, he snitches and calls out a doddering 86-year old has-been with a >1 spit-to-syllable ratio.

He's soft as baby doodoo and it affects his team.  

You know what tough is? Learning you head coach is suspended during a flight 12 hours before the biggest game of the season and grinding out a win when the fans 100 ft away are louder than JJ right behind you.  Tough is learning your LB coach did a bad thing the day before the next game and powering through when the offense and defense are both having their worst days out the season.  Tough is seeing your captain and arguably the team's best player bend his leg and then scoring the winning TD on the next play to reassure your squad that they've got this.

Eat shit, 3rd base.

BlueinLansing

November 26th, 2023 at 2:28 AM ^

long debate about that on the car ride home, the end conclusion was take the points make Ohio go  at least 75 yards to get 7 and 3 does them no good.  Live with it.

 

Going for it, missing and Ohio only has to go about 45 yards in less than a minute to force an OT

 

I think its a 50/50 call myself, touch one.