Ohio State C Harry Miller opens up about his mental health struggles

Submitted by FrankMurphy on March 10th, 2022 at 4:54 PM

Let's put the rivalry aside for a moment.

This is a heart-wrenching post in which this young man (who is an engineering student, to boot) talks about his struggles with self-harm and the demons he's faced. Good on Ryan Day for supporting him and allowing him to get the help he needs.

https://twitter.com/h_miller76/status/1502014501624991747

I know all of us, Michigan fans and Ohio State fans, very passionately support our respective universities and cheer for their sports teams. But let's not lose sight of the fact that there are real kids with genuine emotions and their own personal struggles in those jerseys. Behind the pageantry, the intense competition, the bitter rivalries, the trash talking, etc., we have no idea what some of these kids might be going through in their lives. Let's not lose sight of that.

AWAS

March 10th, 2022 at 5:13 PM ^

As a society, we are beginning to open up the discussion of mental health--maybe it's one of the silver linings of the pandemic.  As the parent of a daughter who battles similar demons, the resources to fight this illness are incredibly constrained.  My attitude toward mental illness has undergone a complete change once immersed in the problem.  I hope stories like the one Harry Miller shared help our society collectively realize the need for understanding and investment in this space, so fewer have to learn the hard way as I did. 

uncle leo

March 10th, 2022 at 5:15 PM ^

As a licensed (currently not practicing) counselor, I think people don't truly understand how many people struggle with this stuff.

I do a good job of trying to be silly and sometimes (often!) annoying on here because I find it enjoyable- however, I have never shared that I have some pretty serious mental health struggles myself. There are days when I do not know how I get to the next day. If you see me in the outside world, you would never, ever guess what my struggles are.

To the people who aren't licensed and want to help someone, just listen. Listen to that person who you disagree with, makes you angry, bores you, whatever. Just listening may help that person get through the day because it's very likely they don't have people at home to talk to. 

And if you EVER suspect that a person may be thinking about hurting themselves, ASK THAT PERSON. It is a total myth that asking a person if they are thinking about hurting themselves will actually lead to that outcome. Understand that self-harm is not some spontaneous action; it is built upon years and years of struggles. And then if the answer is yes, DO NOT FREAK OUT. Be calm. Tell that individual you will help them get help- refer them to someone who can. And if you aren't sure who to call, call 911. Just ask someone. It's ok not to have the answers. But there is someone who does.

BleedThatBlue

March 10th, 2022 at 9:16 PM ^

I applaud you Leo. Your story resonates and hits close to home. A great close friend of mine, has a very similar personality and one of the funniest guys I know. We never had a deep serious life convo, cause it was a mask.  It wasn’t until about early last year out of the 10 years I’ve known him,  that he finally opened up about how he was feeling. Would have never guessed in 1000 years he had these feelings.  He had the same thoughts (as Miller) where he has a good life, great job but can’t shake his demons. This stigma needs to change. I find it very disheartening when people can’t speak out on their feelings like these without people criticizing. You’re the man, Leo! 

UMProud

March 11th, 2022 at 7:17 AM ^

Honest question...as a person whi is a counselor you have studied psychotherapy techniques.  You also said you struggle with some things yourself on occasion.  Are you able to help yourself through self talk or intellectual understanding of the symptoms/feelings that occur?  always wondered about the "Physician Heal Thyself" phrase when it comes to mental care...thanks in advance

uncle leo

March 11th, 2022 at 11:12 AM ^

That's a good question.

The problem is that I often get in my own way with trying to solve my problems. I will always say "come on man, you need to do X. Or this isn't reality." But there's no one there to answer my words or hear me out. That's why I haven't been super successful with my own personal knowledge.

It's along the same lines of why people should not seek theraputic help from friends/family, as they have an inherit bias towards said person. I essentially have a bias in my own brain. Friends/family are great for moral support and for venting, but when it comes to actual, grindstone therapy, people need to see the pros.

In fact, being knowledgeable in counseling techniques has been a flaw in my healing process. I basically know where the therapist is going before he/she gets there.

bsand2053

March 10th, 2022 at 5:44 PM ^

That was a hell of a read.  I’m very glad he had the support he needed, sounds like Ryan Day and the program really came through for him.

As someone whose been down that road and back a couple times, please please please remember to reach out if you are thinking about hurting yourself.  There are people who love you more than you know and they’ll move mountains to help you 

Zoltanrules

March 10th, 2022 at 5:49 PM ^

Kudos to Harry and all those at OSU who supported him. Fortunately he didn't go as far as the Stanford goalkeeper, who also was a very accomplished and intelligent student athlete in a challenging academic program. A 4.0 ME is no small feat.

Having more open dialogue, listening, and offering unconditional help without judgment is a start.

I know nothing about this case, and it may not apply at all to either of the cases mentioned above, but every time someone bitches about concussion protocol or doesn't think the misuse of opioids isn't a big deal in big time athletics, is being naive. The NCAA and NFL need to do more to support the physical and mental well being of all their athletes.

OfficerRabbit

March 10th, 2022 at 5:58 PM ^

Thank you for sharing FrankMurphy, it's imperative we as a society take mental wellness as seriously as we take our physical health (which, we could also do better with, but that's another conversation). These kids are put under an immense amount of pressure, under a microscope for all to see.. playing a sport at a level most of us couldn't dream of playing at. Harry Miller's tweet should be a beacon for all athletes with mental illness to seek help, and I'm grateful he played at OSU for Ryan Day who's personally experienced suicide and takes mental illness very seriously. I would guess many of us are old enough to have "suck it up", or "deal with it" ingrained in our minds from playing sports in our youth, I just hope those of you who are parents with young children, like me, take this illness seriously. I know I never realized how serious this issue was until some very good friends of mine began dealing with it with their children. I blame social media, but that's also another conversation. God Bless to those who are struggling.

DetroitBlue

March 10th, 2022 at 6:46 PM ^

Good on him - i know there’s (rightly) less of a stigma about mental health these days, but it still takes true bravery to come forward and bare your soul to the world like this. Best of luck young man

PeacefulBuck

March 10th, 2022 at 7:06 PM ^

Everyone was wondering what was wrong with him, some were very impatient with how our line was performing and wanted him in the game. We had no idea what was happening. Harry was the top-ranked Center coming out of high school and started in 2019. People had no idea what he was going through. Gotta applaud the guy for coming out and delivering that powerful message even if you’re on the opposite side of the rivalry. Hopefully players across the nation can look at this and have the courage to get help and face their problems and find themselves. Have a great night everyone and please call the hotline if you need help.

GoBlueGoWings

March 10th, 2022 at 7:18 PM ^

Let's put the rivalry aside for a moment.

The fact you had to put this in the OP scares me. Who is the dipshit Michigan "fan" who reads what Harry Miller is going through and doesn't feel for him? 

I'm glad he is OK and posted it. 

Michigan losing today doesn't seem that big of a deal now.

 

turtleboy

March 10th, 2022 at 7:25 PM ^

Good on them both. I hope he continues to get the help he needs, and I hope others are encouraged to seek out help. We all need it at times, and could use it more often than we'd like to admit. 

Geubux

March 10th, 2022 at 8:03 PM ^

I hate to see issues like these in anybody, regardless of what team they play on.  Glad to see so many teams addressing these issues.  My heart goes out to the family of the Stanford athlete.  Hope we can prevent anymore losses like these.

Also hate to see JJ with his shoulder issue.  Hope he recovers better than Braxton Miller did.

CGordini

March 10th, 2022 at 8:26 PM ^

I have to ask:

I wonder how much of his struggles are due to his position.

OL and DL are super high-risk for CTE, and a lifetime of brain injury does mental health 0 good.

I'm glad to hear that his network kicked in immediately, no questions asked, and he got assistance, and I hope ALL institutions, athletic, academic, or professional, can take mental health with the gravity it deserves.

PeacefulBuck

March 10th, 2022 at 9:35 PM ^

I’m not saying this in a bad way, but Harry is a different dude. He rocks a 4.0, goes to Nicaragua on missions to help kids and plays the guitar exceptionally well (his twitter during quarantine was awesome.) CTE could have something to do with it, but personally, I think he was just battling some inner demons that he thought no one would understand with him being so different (in a good way.) Thank god he came to Coach Day when he did.

RedHotAndBlue

March 10th, 2022 at 9:05 PM ^

It is incredible that Harry shared this with the world.  That is no small feat.  I hope a lot of people see it and take it to heart.

It is also fantastic that Ryan Day reacted the way he did.  I don't think all coaches would have been able to recognize the issue and address it, but he did and he should be commended for it.

I think Harry touches on one of the most insidious things about depression and mental health issues - that they exist often in spite of, and not because of, what is happening externally.  He is incredibly successful and has an incredible future and yet he struggles.  I think a lot of folks who haven't experienced true depression have a very difficult time grasping this, since it is so counterintuitive, but at the times when outwardly it seems like you have everything to live for, depression nevertheless stalks you.  It really is frightening.

BleedThatBlue

March 10th, 2022 at 9:29 PM ^

Super heartbreaking to read this. We all have our own demons. Some lesser than others. I practice to be there and have a listening ear to everyone around me as you never know that one interaction could alter one’s life. I think with todays society and the constant demand from a boss, fan, whomever, has really hindered the impact of mental health. Also believe social media has been one of the worst inventions of all time, as it makes mental health bad. I hope anyone that has/is struggling knows that their closest friend, family etc is there for them. Big ups for Miller for opening this up and creating a spotlight to battle this stigma. 

tigerd

March 10th, 2022 at 9:49 PM ^

Having lost my son 8 years ago who at the time was a U of M student this really hits close to home. It takes a lot of courage to say you need help. My son did a few times before giving up the battle. I can't begin to tell you how important it is to do everything you can possibly do to help somebody in need. The pain of losing a child or any loved one to suicide affects so many lives and for so long. It was my sons birthday last weekend and a very difficult day for both my wife and I. That pain just never goes away. I hope this young man continues to battle and to seek help whenever he needs it.  

MeanJoe07

March 10th, 2022 at 9:56 PM ^

I'm plagued by existential dread and intrusive thoughts. Horrific shit that I can't keep out of my mind.  If I keep busy and distracted then it goes away, but it's always there ready to appear out of nowhere. I've wondered if that's depression or something else.  I've never really talked to anyone about it.  I have so much to live for and I think the fear of losing everything or the fact that the best case scenario is that I'll gradually age/decay and every day is one day closer to death. Along the way I'll be forced to see everyone I love die.  Either that or I'll die earlier and not get to see my all loved ones grow and spend time with them. Happiness and health is fleeting and we all eventually are alone in our death and pain and frantic realization the world will go on forever without us and we'll be totally forgotten in a few generations. No one gives a shit about their great great grandparents. They're a faint whisper that's barely there. The world dismisses live like it's worthless. Drop a bomb here. Shoot a missle there. Fuck those people over there.  Maybe it is worthless.  Those moments of pure joy sure are great, but they'll be cold comfort on your death bed.  No amount of woo woo spiritual religious talk helps.  It just introduces another obstacle of blind faith and mental gymnastics to convince yourself of something with limited evidence. It offers no real hope.  All I can do is cling to the moments of joy I have and try to bury the lurking darkness for as long as possible knowing eventually it will take me and everyone with it.

MeanJoe07

March 10th, 2022 at 10:53 PM ^

Is there help for me? It's almost the opposite of suicidal. More like I feel trapped in a game that I didn't choose to participate in, but love bc it's all I know, but it feels like I'm headed toward something bad as time passes so I can't enjoy the now as much. Is that just run of the mill anxiety? Does everyone deal with that? Is it normal? I don't have fucking clue to be honest.  If it's not normal and there's a resource out there then I'd gladly take it.  

 

Rendezvous

March 11th, 2022 at 12:01 AM ^

Joe, yes,there is help available for you, you do not need to be suicidal to seek help. Even people with 'run of the mill anxiety' can benefit from the help of professionals, whether it is through counseling therapy or other forms of therapy. Both my wife and daughter have significant anxiety and depression, neither has ever approached the brink of being suicidal, and each has a significantly better life due to medications. 'Better living through chemistry', we call it in our household. Both have also benefitted from counseling therapy. Talk with your family doctor or call 211 for community resources, if that is available where you live. Get started on it, you'll thank yourself that you did.

BlockM

March 11th, 2022 at 12:32 AM ^

Not a therapist/psychologist/psychiatrist myself, but I'll chime in as an example of "never suicidal or even close, but still benefitted greatly from seeing a psychologist."

Brains, emotions, thought patterns, etc. are complicated and can be very hard to understand sometimes. I have no idea what might be the root cause of what you describe, but if it bothers you and you'd like to work on it, a professional is a great place to start. 

I was having trouble sleeping, spending most nights spinning and stressing about all kinds of stuff. A relationship that was good but not quite working, my confusion about why others seemed to feel/express so much emotion when I just didn't seem to work that way, that kind of stuff.

I didn't ever have an epiphany moment, but by talking it through with someone who knew what to ask and what advice to give, I gained a lot of perspective on what makes me tick and what tools I can use when I find myself stuck in those spirals. 

Not sure if that's what you want or need, just know that if it's something you want to address, there's nothing wrong with chatting with a psychologist or two to see what assistance they might be able to give.

Zoltanrules

March 11th, 2022 at 10:00 AM ^

Real impressed MeanJoe07 by how well you articulated some complicated feelings. With impersonal and ruthless social media, COVID, awful world events, an aging population that is sadly disrespected, 2/3 of Americans living paycheck to paycheck there are so many that have similar feelings. If the feelings become more frequent and dire, please seek help.

Maybe we all can learn from this and think about how we communicate with each each other on this board and about the young athletes/coaches/opponents who entertain us, to help forget about the day to day crap in life?

Sounds corny but trying to be a better spouse, parent, child, helping someone less fortunate in any way ( Big Brother/Sister, senior center, animal shelter, coaching) etc. is a wonderful way to combat depression and provide some real meaning and value in ways one cant imagine.

waittilnextyear

March 10th, 2022 at 10:16 PM ^

I know we're not allowed to say anything nice about Ohio State coach Ryan Day, but he may have helped save Harry Miller's life. Kudos to Coach Day and to Harry Miller for continuing to fight the good fight, and getting the help that he needs. As a 4.0 GPA engineering student and a high level college athlete, it is understandable that Miller (or any human being) might struggle to sustain that level of accomplishment and need to seek help.

outsidethebox

March 10th, 2022 at 10:46 PM ^

My wife is the "go to" mental health provider in a six person pediatric office-sees more kids for this than the other five combined. This is a significant and growing matter we as a society are experiencing and the stressors families face continue to increase. And the hard truth here is that the available mental health services continue to decrease-both in quantity and quality. The socioeconomic factors that drive this malady are receiving no redress in the larger society. Lip service does not solve this matter-and that is the only things that is increasing. 

mi93

March 11th, 2022 at 12:15 AM ^

Thank you for sharing this. Not sure I would have seen it otherwise. 

MGoFriends, I am quite sure some of us have struggled like this as well, as Uncle  Leo noted - I have too. Harry is a role model for talking to someone and for sharing. It’s what got me through too. Kudos to Ryan Day for his support. If you or someone you know is in this same place, reach out. 

The brain and human interaction are wildly powerful, which we can use to help each other when we pause long enough to see each other. Godspeed, Harry. 

Perkis-Size Me

March 11th, 2022 at 9:11 AM ^

Thank you, Harry, for having the courage to share your story, and I'm glad you've gotten the help you need. And major kudos to Coach Day as well. I know we all like to talk a bit of smack about him after the results on November 27th, but he may very well have saved this young man's life. The impact he just had here is far more important than anything he ever could've done for anyone on the field. 

If you ever even remotely feel like you need help, there is no shame whatsoever in asking for it. No one should ever feel like they need to "suck it up" or "tough it out." Even if you think its nothing, even just talking to someone, anyone, is better than doing nothing or hoping it goes away. 

MMBbones

March 11th, 2022 at 9:43 AM ^

A very close friend is still alive because his mother happened to call while he had a pile of pills laid out on the table in front of him. He told his mother "now's not a good time" and hung up the phone. She sensed something was wrong and called the cops, who knocked on his door shortly thereafter. He is now doing very well 12 years later. 

If you suspect anything, call someone or get over there yourself.