NFL OT: Chiefs deal Tyreek Hill to Miami for five draft picks
A 1st, 2nd, 4th this year and 5, 6th next. Let me be one the first to predict five years from now this goes down as one of the worst NFL trades ever. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33578433/sources-miami-dolphins-acquire-kansas-city-chiefs-wr-tyreek-hill-five-draft-picks
March 23rd, 2022 at 12:56 PM ^
Yeah that's a ton to give up for any one player that isn't an elite QB
March 23rd, 2022 at 12:58 PM ^
Hide ya kids, hide ya wife
March 23rd, 2022 at 12:59 PM ^
Do the dolphins know that Tua isn't Mahomes?
It's interesting to me that Tua is considered to be extremely good at the whole RPO thing, but San Francisco (where Mike McDaniel came from) doesn't do a ton in the RPO world. If you're not doing RPOs with Tua, then I'm not sure why he's your QB, because he's not great at the straight dropback game and he's not a runner.
Best thing I can say for the Dolphins on this trade is that they're going to find out exactly what they have in Tua because there's no more excuses about whether or not Tua got enough support. Which isn't that terrible of a strategy with Tua in the make it or break it years of his rookie contract.
It looks like he wants out of KC so he can become one of the highest paid players, according to SI.
Chiefs probably took the best offer they could negotiate. That’s a lot better than letting him walk at the end of the year.
I dont think OP is saying its a bad trade for KC. That's a pretty good haul for them. That's a lot to give up if you are Miami for a WR who may not exactly age well production wise.
Ah, good point.
I don't know. How many of those picks are likely to start or even play? Given that three of the five are later round picks, probably only one or two contributors among those picks. The Dolphins are getting one of the few game-changing receivers and the chiefs are getting lottery tickets. Sure, Hill isn't likely to play at a high level as he approaches 30 but he still has three to four years of defense-bending play in him.
Not a question of similar or equal value for Hill. It's not. The Dolphins have overpaid for a guy who will potentially help them win now. Having those picks provides draft and trade leverage options and future roster protection. The Chiefs have other guys on their roster who could replace Hill now even if they drafted or traded no one to replace him. But those draft picks more than make up for what was lost, until Hill proves himself irreplaceable.
Chiefs hella good negotiators. Lions, don't negotiate with the Chiefs...
March 23rd, 2022 at 10:00 PM ^
Yeah, as a Chiefs fan, I am really happy about this trade.
I'm very interested to see what the Chiefs do on offense. Do they try to re-create what they did with Tyreek Hill with another guy (Mecole Hardman, someone they draft, etc.)? Are they going to find a sufficient replacement for Kelce when he declines/retires? They hit the jackpot by getting some of this talent together through the draft, but I want to see if they can keep it going.
Juju is no Tyreek Hill.
The whole unit is going to have be more patient. I can't imagine that they'll be running up and down the field like they did with Hill, and they sometimes struggled when they had to dink and dunk.
There are some really fast guys in the draft and I could see them try to draft one either with their first or as a package to move up. Kelce has always been the key piece of that passing offense so it'll be interesting to see how they handle him dropping in performance, but for at least a year or two I think he'll still be up there as one of the best TEs in the game and so if they can Moneyball Hill a bit out of JuJu and a draft pick they should be fine.
I'm interested to see how Hill looks in Miami. He benefitted from KC having a good offensive philosophy and not being asked to do more than what he was good at. Waddle is a good player but Hill is going to be expected to be WR1 with a QB in Tua who isn't in the same league as Mahommes and may have a ceiling that won't maximize what Hill's good at (e.g. out-running guys downfield). Hill is still obvious dangerous with the ball in his hands on short passes but he's not got the best hands + Tua isn't the most accurate QB, so I could see this being an underwhelming pairing.
You can't replace Hill - guys like that come along infrequently. That said, they can still have a good offense with a lot of weapons. But, that's dude speed and burst are unreal.
Hurts as a Chiefs fan, I love Cheetah, but "in Veach we trust"! Our GM is great at acquiring talent with limited resources, and was the driver behind drafting Mahomes. Fingers crossed he's got a rabbit up his sleeve for another #1 receiver, the AFC West is gonna be toughest division next couple years.
I was just beginning to ask myself how in the hell they could afford to pay an offense with Mahomes, Kelce, Juju and Tyreek on it at the same time.
Miami has a very promising receiver corps right now between Waddle and Hill, but they don't exactly have a QB who can get them the ball right now.
$120M over four years with $72M guaranteed, plus 5 draft picks? this is why certain teams never reach the top.
Imagine if a team was able to put together Matt Stafford and Calvin Johnson. How would they lose?
by being owned by the Fords
Good lord. He's a good WR. But he's not a generational talent like, say, Calvin Johnson was. He's also 28, which means he'll probably be elite for 3 more years max.
This trade might, MIGHT make sense if you thought you were 1 WR away from the Super Bowl. Miami is no where close. By the time they build anything there, Hill will be in decline.
This is just a horrible trade. I would say this will be the end of the Miami GM, but the NFL will likely recycle him somewhere else to destroy that team in 5 years.
I don't think it's a good trade, but I think he's a generational talent in that you have to game plan for him because of his speed and his ability after the catch. What other receiver has his ability to run after the catch and be a homerun threat?
I know there are smoother route runners, bigger targets, etc., but I'd rather put together a defensive game plan to cover other receivers in the NFL than for Hill. He's a nightmare and opened up a lot of other things for KC's offense.
Players with more yards receiving than Hill over the past 3 seasons:
Cooper Kupp
Davante Adams
Stefon Diggs
Travis Kelce
DJ Moore
I would argue that if you are a "generational talent" you would at least be leading your OWN TEAM in receiving.
Hill is great. But part of why he's great is that he has Mahomes throwing to him. The NFL has proven time and time again that speed at WR is NOT everything.
I'm not saying I don't want Hill on my team. I'm saying giving up the farm to get him is short-sighted. Tyler Lockett has almost IDENTICAL numbers to Hill over the last 3 seasons. Would you trade away the farm to get him?
Hill: 256 catches for 3,375 yards and 31 TDs
Lockett: 255 catches for 3,286 yards and 26 TDs
If the Dolphins were desperate for a #1 receiver, I bet they could have gotten McLaurin from Washington a ton cheaper. He has put up numbers almost as good as Hill without having even an average QB throwing to him.
I don't know if you can use the word "generational," but what Hill brought to the table changed defensive gameplans on its own. The primary problem the Chiefs had is that they could not punish teams properly by running the football. However, Hill absolutely destroyed teams any time he had a chance to get the football, and his ability opened up the field for other receivers, including Kelce. It's not just that he's fast, though he is; he could do pretty amazing things once he got the ball in his hands in ways you don't see frequently even with fast receivers.
He won games on his own. The Chiefs do not beat Buffalo without him, for example (and not just that one play, but did you see that one play?).
That doesn't mean it's a good deal. It's a pretty steep price to pay, and the Fins are banking a lot on Hill remaining elite and Tua being able to find him regularly. But semantics of what it means to be "generational" aside, receivers are increasingly valued in today's NFL game, and I don't believe there's a receiver in the League that is more dangerous to defenses than Hill.
The Dolphins overpaid.
The Chiefs are losing a key weapon that both takes the top off the D and can make ridiculous YAC if given any time and space.
The KC offense had been so powerful despite a lack of a top RB because the offense makes the Ds they face pick their poison by trying to take away either Hill or Kelce, and if you try to take away both guys like Hardman end up screamingly wide open while Mahomes works through his progression.
This trade really hurts KC but (as a KC fan since 1995) they have a chance to get another gem with those 5 picks. Miami has mortgaged their future in the hopes that Hill made Mahomes and the offense go, rather than the other way around.
I predict neither team is happy about how this worked out at the end of the day and the biggest winners are Las Vegas, Denver, and San Diego.
I think it’s an overpay since Miami needs a bunch of better players (or a great QB) more than a great WR.
But I think Hills stats understate his contribution to KC’s success. Kelce doesn’t get his bundles of catches underneath with space without Hill stretching the defense. I think Hill was the first priority for almost every defense that KC played because he was almost a guaranteed TD if there wasn’t help deep. I know there are lots of fast receivers, but Hill would regularly outrun safeties that had decent position. KC has worked around his absence in the past when he’s been hurt and they still looked good, but it will be interesting to see how they do with him completely gone.
Worst for who? Miami or KC?
March 24th, 2022 at 11:10 AM ^
Fantastic trade for KC, brutally bad for Miami
The heat is now on for Tua, fair or unfair. However, Miami's biggest issue has been the OL. They need to shore that up for Tua to succeed. The jury should still be out on Tua because of that unit. But he will be judged this year regardless.
**EDIT: I see they signed LT Armstead so that's a good start. They also signed WR Cedric Wilson Dallas and RB Chase Edmonds.**
Waddle was a huge pickup at WR last year and will be a great weapon going forward for Tua. Adding Hill...wow. Tua doesn't have to be Mahomes to get Miami into the playoffs. The defense was good (we'll see if that continues after firing Flores) but the key is to protect and give Tua time in the pocket to see if he can actually be "that guy".
I think I was honestly more surprised to see Corey Coleman's name, and I'm left wondering what rock they found him under.
A bad trade for a guy who seems like a piece of shit. Not good vibes around Miami right now.
Nevermind...dumb comment (brought up Cleveland as a comparison which doesn't really need discussed right now. Hill indeed has some very shitty off field issues).
My general feeling about this offseason is that a lot of teams are writing some really detailed, wordy press releases to justify why they're signing/trading for guys and giving them huge contracts and perhaps there should be some more introspection about why you feel the need to do so. I mean, I'd rather teams just come out and say "honestly, this guy is really fast and/or good at throwing a football and the guy(s) we currently have aren't as good and we want to win and most of our fans don't really care about how shitty their off-the-field behavior is/was as long as they're good on the field." It's shitty but also realistic, and as a sports fan I get it way more than the attempts to convince people that isn't the case.
Agreed bronx. These lawyered up multiple paragraph statements are a pathetic joke. The fans actually reading them laugh and shake their heads. While the fans who could not care less about what a player does off the field (don't kneel on it, though) are not reading and taking time to comprehend 200 word statements. The latter are likely the majority of fans. So they truly are a waste.
It's interesting being a fan of sports these days. We know most everything about these athletes and oh boy, are they flawed like the rest of us. You're forced to draw some lines (or not, I guess) if you're a high morality type fan, on what you can let slide and still root for versus what type of incidents (owners and front offices apply here as well!) are too much. The NFL is a force and there really doesn't seem to be a "too much" that us turning anyone away.*
*except ya know, the guy thay kneeled
Seems like a piece of shit?? No, Hill is a piece of shit. Happy that my daughter's HS friend was the person "banned for life" from Gillette for dousing him with beer on a Sunday night game. Wish I had given him $10 for the beer!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-zMAX-UJ_g
Looks like the Jets were only offering 35, 38, and 69, which pales in comparison.
I'm sure Cheetah is happy about going to a no income tax state as well.
I wonder why Ross didn't fire the GM, too. If Dolphins don't make the playoffs again, then he'll end up doing it too late.
Maybe a win-win for KC and Miami but more likely just a win for Tyreek and KC. I predict in two years the Dolphins brass will be whispering to each other "what were we thinking?". So many elite receivers enter the draft year in and year out. Is he special? Yes. Is he THAT special? Nah.
This Dolphin fan knows that the Dolphins don't have a great history with trades or signings like this. I hope I'm wrong but I know I'm not.
ESPN gave the Dolphins a B+ and KC a D for this trade, and I really don't understand either grade, especially given each GM's track record.
I understand. ESPN is mostly garbage now. Has been for some time at one level or another.
March 23rd, 2022 at 10:32 PM ^
ESPN wasn't the only major site that evaluated and graded out that the Dolphins are winners of this trade. I have no opinion only that it's a good fit for Miami and KC frees up much needed cap space with picks.
It surely won't be the worst trade historically like the OP suggested, that happened last week.
Has the new Miami coach ever set foot on a football field? High school or even Pop Warner! Great league is the NFL. Tyreek Hill beats up his pregnant GF, then breaks the arm of that kid when 3, Notta, but gets $100M. Watson, lead the league in happy endings, Boom, $200+M. Tom Brady play with a slightly deflated football in a game they would've won if using a beach ball, gets 1/4 of season suspension, Pats fined $1M and lose a 1st and 4th. PRIORITIES!!! Wait they wear pink in October!!!
Took an MVP award from him, too. There's no way Ryan was playing better than Tom that season, Tom merely played fewer games.
Worst trades for which team?
I think it’s an excellent trade for the Chiefs.
For a wide receiver. It doesn't matter who that wr is, this is strategically unsound. The GM could benefit from attending a school of business, if you ask me, because this was a bad deal.
And they’re paying him 30MM/yr for four years…
March 24th, 2022 at 11:29 AM ^
Hill is great, but it really became too expensive for him. Kelce is a more important weapon to that offense in my opinion. I've watched the chiefs since Mahomes rose as they're just really fun to watch. If MVS, Watkins, or even Landry sign with the chiefs, I think that'd be a decent tandem with Juju. Will Fuller would be great but just is ALWAYS hurt. I don't think Julio has another elite season left, but it'd be worth a consideration. IF OBJ were healthy, that's a no-brainer but who knows what he comes back as. Christian Watson would be an interesting draft pick for them at the end of the first as there's a ton of WR talent in the draft and I wouldn't be surprised in 5 or 6 go first round.