A Lawyer's Perspective - Competing Considerations

Submitted by XM - Mt 1822 on November 17th, 2023 at 5:10 AM

Mates,

Good Morning.  Not going to make this a diary (or a dairy), but wanted to put a couple of things out there before the day gets going.  We are all ticked off about how this suddenly ended with seemingly the worst possible outcome, and voluntarily.   I also am fond of a saying learned many years ago, "You know what you know, but you don't know what you don't know".   What we don't know might be tougher to figure out but lets see what we do know or at least believe.

First, from my review of the pleadings and knowledge of these types of procedures, we were in a very good place to win this morning.  Having handled a number of these types of procedures and having tried hundreds of cases this was a hearing we wanted to have, and have it with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind.

Second, the surrender yesterday did nothing for us as far as we know*.  What difference is there in a headline from "Michigan Loses Hearing.  Suspension Stands.  News at 11" from "Michigan Folds Tents.  Admits Cheaters and Best"?  In other words, we gained nothing from surrender and lost a very, very good shot at a win.  Unbelievably weak, sniveling, pathetic 'deal'.  You have got to be kidding all of us. 

Weigh those against two more considerations.  One was mentioned by MgoHillbilly when he rightly pointed out last night that there can be cases where, for instance in a criminal matter, the client's family is all gung-ho about going to trial and outraged by a plea that the client is offered but they don't have the big picture and don't know or appreciate some very critical facts.  Also, sometimes the price of failure is catastrophic and simply not worth wagering in the face of a known, final resolution.  We can all talk very bravely until it's our neck on the line looking at the abyss.  

And then you get to our KFATA (Known Friend and Trusted Agent) Craig Ross who, with impeccable sources, says that the Board of Regents went around their counsel, local counsel, and somehow brokered the worst possible deal.  It is my further understanding that Harbaugh did not agree to this.  Remember too, he was technically not a named party to this litigation (AFAIK). And we all shake our heads and mutter curse words.  I will tell you that clients do sometimes make crazy decisions and destroy their own cases.  It happens. 

So what do we do, where are we in all of this?  A couple of thoughts.  First, I think we simply have to figure that there are some significant things we simply don't know*.  That is a hard one to fathom since we know the lawyers closest to the controversy were absolutely ready to rumble this morning but there has to be some rational, even if weak, reason for what happened.    And second, I think you simply have to put this into the category of things you care about, maybe even care too much about, but cannot do anything about.  In other words, steel up your spine, drink some whole milk, have some vitamin steak and keep marching to the Victors.  

And no matter what, remember Coach Moore's awesome words after the PSU game.  We have the best players, the best alumni and the best university in the world.  We also have the best coach.  Support our players and our team and don't waste too much time trying to analyze something that can't be changed by any of us. 

Have a great Friday.  It is still football season and we are about to make the terps road kill.

Go Blue!

XM 

 

UcheWallyWally

November 17th, 2023 at 5:50 AM ^

Appreciate the well thought out and written post. 
 

But NO ,  NO efffinng way. 
It does not matter if there is info we aren’t aware of frankly. The big10 is not all powerful. Making a deal with them does not and will not stop it from getting leaked eventually.  It does not stop that information from being used by the ncaa against us.  
 

Frankly I’m pissed at all involved and some of that anger is getting turned towards my much loved and respected MGOBLOG.  Why is this story getting buried? Why is not on the front page of this site. BOARD OF REGENTS SAND BAG ENTIRE FOOTBALL PROGRAM.  This needs to be blasted from all sources.  Jim Harbaugh did not quite, he did not admit guilt nor did anyone on his staff. The board F’D all of us. Our pride, our emotions and probably just maybe even our full ability to truly enjoy this team .  So no it’s not time to accept this , it’s time to turn are anger where it belongs and let it be known by all

MGlobules

November 17th, 2023 at 8:43 AM ^

What's salutary about XM's post is the way he underlines that we don't possess a lot of critical information with which to judge what has taken place.

In that pile, I'd place not knowing what evidence the B1G and NCAA had, a), and b) what might come of that knowledge.

For me, there's the lurking likelihood that the connections between Stalions and other members of the staff could mean additional exposure, sanctions, and vilification--whether earned or just pounded endlessly--by a shameless ESPN and its shitbird cronies in the press.

And--of course--we don't know the rationale for accepting the three-game suspension.

Or, unfortunately, whether it keeps us from worse to come.

If they dropped the U of M on its sword needlessly, as has happened before, then their mother darns socks in hell. If they dropped Jim on his sword without his acquiescence we may all suffer the fallout.

You want to wait for some of that information before you throw in with the lynch mob, in my opinion. Remembering that all of this is something of an own goal.

But there's still a pretty stirring outcome that one can imagine taking place here, and right now I'm living for that: Jim's involved during the week, and we have two winnable games ahead, a LOT to play for. After that, the landscape of the B1G championship and still more. 

It may be that salvaging that--salvaging those great things we have left to play for, avoiding endless additional disruption--was uppermost in the minds of some people deciding this during the last week. It could even be that we were told flatly to close it down or face far worse. There are a big enough range of forces that, I am convinced, we are going to be able to put the picture together in due course.

MeanJoe07

November 17th, 2023 at 5:52 AM ^

Boooooooo.  Coward university. We have great players and coaches, sure whatever, duh.  Everyone supports the players but UofM is a bunch of cowards.  Coach Moore's emotion and support was partially betrayed.  Coaches and players deserve better than this coward university. Who knows, but even Warde and Santa are cowards until I hear they went down fighting.  I'd rather Michigan lose in court and get our ass handed to us with more penalties. Die with dignity and rage to the end. Never surrender.  We didn't even fucking try.  Pathetic.  Everyone was united for once, but they wrecked it.

smotheringD

November 17th, 2023 at 6:11 AM ^

It was reading this post that helped me find my bearings.  I've been stunned and disillusioned, trying to make sense of it all.  It was betrayal, by the regents.  It reminded me of the scene in Braveheart when William Wallace realized he had been betrayed by Robert the Bruce.

If this is true and there isn't some other good reason for the capitulation, is there any way the spineless bastards can be held accountable?

smotheringD

November 17th, 2023 at 8:28 AM ^

I could be wrong.  It's been a long time since I watched the movie.  The way I remember it Robert the Bruce's father was the old diseased guy that talked Robert the Bruce into compromising.  And during one of the battles, Wallace saw that Robert the Bruce had betrayed him, fighting for the English.

Like I said, it's been a while, probably 10-15 years.

jsquigg

November 17th, 2023 at 7:57 AM ^

It just hit me: There’s been speculation that some of the leaks are coming from in house. If the regents shut this down, would it be reasonable or unhinged to think that that’s where the leaks are coming from? If that’s true then this got even more absurd.

glewe

November 17th, 2023 at 5:56 AM ^

Harbaugh was definitely a named plaintiff in the litigation so he had to sign off on it thru counsel. Doesn't mean the regents didn't try to force his hand. My view of it is one of three things happened:

1) Harbaugh, who always seemed to be driving the metaphorical bus, spontaneously decided this drama was making the team all about him and that was cutting against the changes he made in 2021, so he asked the U to drop the litigstion to return focus to the students

2) The B1G had some dirt come up against some of the coaches (seems unlikely since Auerbach's source said the B1G agreed to drop any additional discipline against Michigan UNLESS the NCAA found another coach knew about the scheme), or

3) the U got something good in exchange for the deal, such as an agreement to forgo additional conference discipline against Michigan/coaches (as reported by Auerbach)

or a combination of the above. I am partial to the idea that 1 and 3 were the bigger factors, but as you said, we don't know what we don't know.

Mgopioneer

November 17th, 2023 at 6:02 AM ^

I'm wondering/ hopeful ( probably wrong ) since the NCAA and BIG were working together and reports the NCAA was fast tracking their investigation, if Michigan didn't hear from the NCAA ( good news ) sure they will keep the investigation open, just in case more leaks / info comes out but as far as now . Accept the BIG sportsmanship violation and we will back off. 

glewe

November 17th, 2023 at 6:15 AM ^

(1) makes a lot of sense to me, personally, because it's hard to explain this move otherwise. The case for the TRO would have been strong *even if* the NCAA/B1G found evidence another coach knew. Part of me thinks the U/Harbaugh should have followed thru simply to avoid the lousy precedent set by Petiti. Their case was very, very strong from my view.

And it fits with Harbaugh's avoidance of spotlight since 2021. He has been trying hard to put players front and center, like in post game interviews, etc. So I see his kind of spontaneous change of perspective--getting worried that the season has become about him rather than the players and coaches--as a major motivator for him. 

1VaBlue1

November 17th, 2023 at 6:13 AM ^

#3 didn’t happen or Michigan would have said something in its statement.  As it is, the statement is nothing more than an admission that everything said, insinuated, and reported is true.  It essentially agreed that Michigan cheated - guilty on all counts.  
 

By any reading of that statement, we support cheaters.  Whether that’s the players or coaches doesn’t matter.  
 

Whoever agreed to this fucked this group of players over.  They fucked the players explicitly, and the universities reputation passively.  

First And Shut…

November 17th, 2023 at 8:24 AM ^

With respect to #3, I wish that what UM got was a BIG agreement to pursue dirt (supplied by UM or others) on other conference members, and if validated, use the UM settlement as precedent for dealing with the other schools. For example, if the BIG concluded that inter-school sharing of UM’s signals by OSU, Rutgers and Purdue also violated the sportsmanship policy, then Day, Schiano and Walters would be looking at a 3-game suspension. 

I dream!

ole luther

November 17th, 2023 at 5:59 AM ^

None of the "possible" explanations here matter to me.

The three ramblings now are; "Ward and/or Ono and/or Harbaugh all caved for unknown reasons - or -

The regents stepped in and caved for unknown reasons - or -

The lawyers caved for unknown reasons.

One or a variant of these 3 things HAPPENED.

I only see 1, indisputable fact today, after 3 weeks of this horseshit...

M CAVED.

This leaves 2 possible explanations.  Either something was discovered/uncovered to force M into this decision - or - M, as an institution and as a whole is pitifully weak, spineless and not to be trusted in a foxhole.

Now, you all decide.

Jeremy

November 17th, 2023 at 6:00 AM ^

Harbaugh was listed as a plaintiff on the register of actions so wouldn't he be a party in the litigation? IANAL so I really don't know these things.

EGD

November 17th, 2023 at 6:01 AM ^

Unfortunately, some people have decided that using the court system to resolve differences and seek justice according to law is a bad look, that just being involved in litigation is somehow an embarrassment. That strikes me as the likely rationale behind the regents’ cowardice.

I suppose the silver lining is that it will be easier for me to embark on another prolonged (hopefully permanent this time) sports fast after the season ends.

mGrowOld

November 17th, 2023 at 6:04 AM ^

X

The ONLY explanation that would make any sense to me would be if the NCAA informed the B1G that this goes higher than Stallions and they can, and will, prove it.  If that’s the case then folding now makes some sense, you take your three games this year from the B1G and gird your loins for what’s coming sometime in the future from the NCAA.

Anything other than that scenario in my mind is Michigan admitting we are cheaters and surrendering.  Frankly I’m embarrassed, we talked shit but weren’t willing to do shit.

We definitely didn’t fight like the 3rd tiger.  We happily jumped off the ramp like a soft, cuddly bunny.

RGard

November 17th, 2023 at 6:36 AM ^

I don't think it's necessary for the NCAA  to have something more for this to make sense.  I'm thinking the B1G was threatening to hit us with more if we didn't agree to the suspension.  You know..."sportsmanship and player safety."  

From everything we've read/heard, the B1G commissioner can do whatever he wants to us given he believes rules were broken by Stalion.

So maybe the Wisconsin chancellor's negotiation was for Michigan to take the suspension in order to avoid something worse...post season ban to include the B1G and CFP?

Of course, I doubt there's anything legal preventing the B1G from breaking the agreement and banning us from post season if 3rd base and the rest keep whining.

Carpetbagger

November 17th, 2023 at 9:29 AM ^

Don't disagree but we still had the ultimate leverage.  Be reasonable or Michigan leaves the conference. Our leverage is weakened with the new teams coming in being valuable, but Michigan is still one of the big dogs. Losing the eyeballs Michigan brings was gonna leave a mark on everyone $$ wise.

St Joe Blues

November 17th, 2023 at 8:19 AM ^

If the NCAA truly does have info that it went higher than Stalions, the precedent for punishment has already been set - half a game suspension for the assistant coach from Baylor who went in person to scout opponents' game. He didn't send an analyst, he went himself. And received a half-game suspension. The head coach didn't get suspended for 3 games. The head coach didn't get suspended at all. If there's no evidence that Harbaugh knew anything, then nothing should have happened to him.

Don

November 17th, 2023 at 8:44 AM ^

We happily jumped off the ramp like a soft, cuddly bunny.

Malone: You said you wanted to know how to get Pettiti. Do you really want to get him? You see what l'm saying? What are you prepared to do?

Michigan: Everything within the law.

Malone: And then what are you prepared to do? If you open the ball on these people, Michigan, you must be prepared to go all the way. Because they won't give up the fight until one of you is gone.

Michigan: l want to get Pettti. l don't know how.

Malone: Here's how you get Pettiti: he makes an accusation, you file a lawsuit. He suspends your coach, you send your binders to the media! That's the Chicago way! And that's how you get Pettiti.

Now, do you want to do that? Are you ready to do that?

Michigan: Nah, on second thought, we don't really have any binders. I'm out. Bye.

Mmmm-43

November 17th, 2023 at 9:22 AM ^

Here's what bothers me about your explanation (not saying it's nonsense):  What investigative tools or abilities does the NCAA or B1G have that Michigan *doesn't* have?  Why would they have information, but Manuel/Ono don't?  If Ono had the info, he wouldn't have sent that combative letter, would he?  If he didn't have the info, did he never investigate?  Seems unlikely that he'd unzip and let fly unless he he was confident an information axe wasn't out there.

 

1VaBlue1

November 17th, 2023 at 6:04 AM ^

Not sure I’m ready to support a team of cheaters and liars - which we are now according to public opinion, reporting, and admission of everything the B1G accused us of doing.  I want the team to win, but I do not want the people in charge of them - the ones that made this senseless decision - to win.  Or to share in the teams success.  Or to be well received by anyone that actually does support the team.

I don’t care if we lose in court.  There has to be some principle that is worth defending, right?

1VaBlue1

November 17th, 2023 at 7:52 AM ^

Not sure what you read.  Where did I ever say there was a distinction between Harbaugh and the 'team'?  It's the same thing - Michigan cheated.  Nobody is saying the coaches cheated, or that the players cheated, or the that the staff cheated.  They are saying that Michigan cheats.  There is no distinction to be made.

This is the biggest scandal the Big Ten has ever seen - this is what Michigan just agreed to (because the B1G said so in its legal brief).  Maybe you're okay with the University administration (Regents, Ono, Deans, whoever - doesn't matter) agreeing to this.  I am not.

crg

November 17th, 2023 at 8:10 AM ^

Michigan is fighting the charge that Harbaugh "lied", which was the alleged Level I infraction.  Michigan admitted to the various recruit contacts during the covid period, which were Level II infractions.  The self-imposed suspensions at the outset of the season likely cover any punishments for those.

UMVAFAN

November 17th, 2023 at 7:15 AM ^

I would have proceeded with the hearing. You can’t cry about due process and then back away the day before the hearing. Even if it seemed likely that the judge wouldn’t give the TRO, they wouldn’t give it based on Michigan overreaching on procedural arguments, not based on any judgment on the evidence presented. I’d take that loss if I was a Regent, Ono, Warde or Harbaugh. It doesn’t deny that Connor Stalions cheated - who Michigan did punish - and doesn’t make Michigan look like cowards and cheaters. If it was known with certainty that the judge wasn’t going to engage in this silliness, then just move the expense from legal services to marketing and at least stay consistent that your goal was due process all along.

ESNY

November 17th, 2023 at 8:54 AM ^

There are too many hysterical people blinded by rage on this site right now. I dont know how many more times I need to state this but the pending court case had absolutely NOTHING to do with the alleged infractions and dropping the case doesn't change that.

It was solely about did the Big Ten exceed their authority/by-laws to suspend Harbaugh before the investigation was complete. We did not admit to anything. 

Even if we won the TRO, that would mean nothing as it relates to the underlying violations. And if you think even winning the TRO would change public opinion and reporting, you are crazy. The public and reporters have already decided and absolutely zero will change their mind. That haters will either believe we cheated and we get punished or we cheated and we got away with it.

There are many reasons why we dropped the case - maybe it was telegraphed we wouldn't get the TRO granted, maybe there was no way it would be decided in advance of the OSU game which would make fighting it worthless and just keep it on the front page, maybe there is more shit to be discovered and we decided to take our punishment now and worry about everything else in a year or two.

No one knows but acting like this means anything beyond the strict bounds of did the Big Ten violate their bylaws couldn't be further from the truth

meeashagin

November 17th, 2023 at 6:13 AM ^

I have no clue I just want to be able to talk football not have to hear about this b.s non stop every day.

This entire situation has taken away from our team.

Let's try and move forward.

Tunneler

November 17th, 2023 at 6:15 AM ^

Michigan Folds Tents.  Admits Cheaters and Best.

Cheaters and worst (when perception is reality).

 

 It is my further understanding that Harbaugh did not agree to this.

Do I believe this? Do I believe any of the shit that has been said? Is UM allowed to talk about it while the NCAA investigation is ongoing? Just guessing that if Harbaugh did not agree to this, then  he will move on after the season. Why would he stay? So he can get fucked over by the NCAA, B1G, and UM?

I admire Harbaugh not because I agree with everything he says (far from it away from football) but because he is a man of conviction & honest to a fault. He will be honest with himself after the season.

mgoblue78

November 17th, 2023 at 6:31 AM ^

When you can't even get straight to that Harbaugh was one of the named Plaintiffs and had to agree, along with his counsel to dismiss the case!!!! I find it impossible to credit this analysis.