schreibee

January 15th, 2024 at 12:24 PM ^

Wait for it - they've had months for that! 

Harbaugh hired an agent just a week or 2 ago who has many clients in the NFL. Were I the coach who'd been suspended by my own school rather than let the investigation play out, then suspended by the conference, which the school loudly said they'd fight in court but didn't, I'd want some assurances.

I mean, right?!

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Hensons Mobile…

January 14th, 2024 at 9:45 PM ^

What are you looking for at this point?

All indications are the main hold up here is UM wants an off-ramp in case the NCAA drops an anvil and Harbaugh wants to be kept whole in case the NCAA drops an anvil.

Neither side is willing to risk that the worst case scenario is a one year suspension even though you seem convinced it's impossible for the NCAA to come up with a punishment worse than that.

Also many of us believe that Warde has superiors who are more responsible for the school being on the hook for $125 million and you think Warde has been empowered to make the decision all by himself.

We're at an agree to disagree point.

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Ghost of Fritz…

January 14th, 2024 at 9:53 PM ^

One year suspension?  That would be PREPOSTEROUS.  NCAA might do it.  But...the world has changed a lot since the Tressel thing.  Unlike in Tressel's situation, there really is not proof that JH lied to the NCAA.  They simply suspect that he lied.   If the NCAA tried to impose a one year suspension on the idea that he was not honest or whatever, that would have to result in litigation.   

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Hensons Mobile…

January 14th, 2024 at 10:04 PM ^

NCAA might do it. 

Yeah, that's the issue. No one is able to predict what the NCAA will do.

Also it's not just about the perceived lying. It's about sign gate for which Harbaugh can be held responsible per the NCAA's new rule, regardless of his actual non-involvement.

If Michigan was committed to suing the NCAA, then I think this contract would be done (from UM's end). They already withdrew their lawsuit against the Big Ten (as did Harbaugh).

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shoes

January 15th, 2024 at 6:58 AM ^

You are correct that I do think a one year is the worst case- And I agree that the President and Regents need to sign off on the final deal if there is one, but it also seems that Warde has been given the task of negotiating it- he himself has essentially said that, so no I don't think he is going to the Regents about how they feel about every back and forth discussion point, that would be incredibly inefficient.

Warde can read the crowd and while I personally think he wants to see Jim move on, he wisely, from his own standpoint, is desperate to make it seem like he is doing everything he can and that he is the reasonable one.

By the way you could always include a clause that the University will indemnify Jim for some portion greater than 0 years but less than 10 years if you really think something between 2 and 10 is remotely likely.

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Hensons Mobile…

January 15th, 2024 at 8:21 AM ^

By the way you could always include a clause that the University will indemnify Jim for some portion greater than 0 years but less than 10 years if you really think something between 2 and 10 is remotely likely.

I agree with this, and would like to believe that's the negotiation happening. It requires Jim's side to agree to it as well, and if Jim believes that there's a 100% chance he won't even get a one year show cause/suspension then it should be no problem for him.

Disclaimer: Yes, to everyone else, this entire discussion is predicated on assumptions based on anonymous source reporting and the sticking point (if there even is one) could be something entirely different.

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BTB grad

January 14th, 2024 at 10:27 PM ^

Lately JUB will say some shit and then hit us with his overused quote of “no one knows anything!” so he’s right in each scenario. He isn’t the source he used to be and often sounds and feels like he’s trying to hang onto relevance. I wouldn’t be living and dying by his tweets. 

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MaizeBlueA2

January 14th, 2024 at 7:18 PM ^

That's what I'm saying.

Lol, it's clickbait.

...or on the flipside. If Michigan wants something that Jim doesn't. Same thing.

I would be MORE concerned if it was finished. Like Harbaugh has signed, it's all ready to go...and it's just waiting on Michigan to sign and execute. Like it's just sitting in someone's DocuSign queue. 

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NewBlue7977

January 14th, 2024 at 7:25 PM ^

Exactly!  If it were finished a while ago I would be worried because Harbaugh hasn't signed it.  It would indicate Harbaugh's interest in the NFL is greater than coming back to Michigan.  A not finished contract gives me better hope he will be back. 

Now that the season is over, MAYBE warde, Harbaugh and Ono can spend more time together on the contract.  

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maquih

January 15th, 2024 at 7:27 AM ^

I guess in an ideal world the contract is done and all we're doing os waiting for Harbaugh to do his NFL interviews so he can decide to come back or not.  There shouldn't be any negotiating left to do, that's where I would blame Manuel if this report is true.

But it would make sense the contract isn't signed because Harbaugh has the Chargers interview lined up.

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MaizeBlueA2

January 14th, 2024 at 7:15 PM ^

This seems disingenuous and makes it sound like it's a clerical thing.

The contract isn't done yet could be as simple as the lawyers haven't agreed on the contract language. Which, last we heard, was the case.

Michigan wanted guarantees that Harbaugh wouldn't go to the NFL this year, Harbaugh wanted clarification on what "for cause" meant and who gets to make that call (Warde? Santa? Trustees? Lawyers?)

The tweet is written like the contract is sitting on Warde's desk waiting to be finished.

Michigan has ZERO leverage. At this point it's pretty obvious that if Harbaugh wanted a finalized contract, he'd have one.

We can, "fire Warde" all we want...but let's not act like Michigan is playing hardball.

If Harbaugh doesn't want to sign right now, he's not going to sign. When have you ever known Jim Harbaugh to do something he didn't want to do?

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1WhoStayed

January 14th, 2024 at 7:33 PM ^

You know SalQ, you have become (or maybe always were?) a real negative voice on this blog.

Warde isn’t delaying anything. It’s Jim or his lawyers, or UM (not Warde) or their lawyers. JH is likely making sure every i is dotted. This will be his last contract and he wants it perfect. He is in no hurry. He HAS a contract. May still go to the NFL but no reason for Jim to rush anything.

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Blue Ninja

January 14th, 2024 at 7:16 PM ^

What happened to it was ready for him to sign weeks ago? Or did I miss something? I've not really been part of the fire Warde crowd but this is negligence and couple this with all the hints Harbaugh has dropped about wanting to feel the love. 

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GeraldFord48

January 14th, 2024 at 7:16 PM ^

Love JUB, but it feels like there is some ambiguity. It doesn't sound to me like there is no draft of the contract, but more like the two sides have sent versions of it back and forth. So there is no "finished" contract because the two sides are working through it.

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Mercury Hayes

January 14th, 2024 at 7:21 PM ^

This counteracts what JUB (who never seems to have any new info) says every week. Also - this contract should be a moving piece of work based on what just happened.

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