Fleck or Harbaugh

If it is “categorically unquestionable” why is it “the question that must be asked.” 

This is the most recency biased post I’ve seen in a while. Smh.

GTFOH

This is the definition of recency bias. Thank you for the example!

I'm pretty sure we would have beaten PSU had we played them at home too.  Harbaugh FTW 

We have better players. PJ would be better than Jim with our players. 

So PJ Fleck gets one win over Penn State, and all of a sudden he is better than Harbaugh? 

SHUT THE FUCK UP BOOMER

If Michigan were in the West division, they would have been in the playoff twice already under harbaugh.  Not taking anything from Fleck though, Minnesota looks great and it's great to see them so much improved.  

Harbaugh is the best fit for Michigan. He's had some tough breaks in some big games like 2015 MSU, 2016 OSU. I think if Harbaugh would have beaten OSU in 2016 and we made the playoffs, he would be in much better shape in getting the team over the elite team hump. Until the playoffs are expanded to 8 games the same handful of teams will be gobbling up all the talent, and unfortunately for us, OSU is one of those elite teams in our division. I hope we can upset OSU at home but we may fall short. Then it will probably be in 2021 before our next chance.

Two years ago it was Mork doing more with less, blah blah. That has proven to be a load of crap. 
Now it’s Fleck doing more with less. We’ll see how things go long term.

One game, or one season, does not a career make.

Already forgotten of course, is Harbaugh’s pasting of Notre Dame, that complete domination certainly a bigger win than Minnesota beating PSU in a close game.

Hard for me to believe that some here would rather see that popinjay, Fleck, at the head of Michigan football.

I just have to shake my head at how venomous this so-called fan base is.

Mork.

PJ doing one heck of a job in MN!! Awesome win for them. Stands full & loud also. He's building a solid program there & is good to see...

Eh I mean fleck is undefeated which looks great but he also got to play penn state at home this year which I think we would have beaten them at home as well. They also have yet to play Wisconsin and I think we’d also be undefeated with their current schedule 

Nice post - only 97 negs.  I expected 200, but still early on this fine Sunday morning.  

Fleck barely beats an overrated PSU team at home after arguably having one of the weakest schedules and some of you have the audacity to say he is a better coach than Harbaugh...

1.) I fail to see how his politics have anything to do with his coaching.  His politics are his business, so long as he doesn't turn his coaching position as an excuse to spout off like Popovich does. The man could be a statist or an anarchist and it's immaterial to his job.

2.) To the main question: Fleck is a good coach, but Harbaugh is the overall more experienced one.  

All of that being said, Fleck was referred to as "little Harbaugh" by people at WMU, so there are some similarities.

BTW, people are floating this weird rumor that Fleck might make a lateral move to Michigan State, and there's no reason for the move.  If anything, from a purely logistical standpoint, it would make far more sense for him to remain at Minnesota, as the West has fewer big-time contenders.  Going to MSU would be a nonsensical option.

Same idiot who posted this is likely to have started threads that "Daniel Jones is the next great NFL QB on direct path to Canton" after winning A game.  Think this person might have been out late and was seeing some Sam Darnold ghosts when posting.  Fleck is perfect for the social media age coach, crowd surfing after a win.  Bo and Woody are rolling over this AM!!!

Daily reminder that MSU blew a 25 point lead to Illinois at home

Surprised that this blog would even create this thread, but if we must, then let's look at this year's facts.  Yes, the other UM (the one much farther North) beat one good team, but they have yet to play Iowa or Wisconsin.  So, it is very likely that PJ's best season in the B1G West will end 11-1 or maybe even 10-2.  I am confident that if we played in the B1G West, Harbaugh would have already taken us to 2 B1G championship games by now.

I think Fleck is a very good coach.  He is doing all the right things the right way, he motivates his team, he says the right things.  I'm very impressed with his game management.  Overall, very impressed, but I continue to strongly like the way Harbaugh is rebuilding this program.

Quote from Orgeron yesterday after the win. "You know when I felt it?  When I got on the plane, I felt like, You know what, we got 'em.  We finally got the tools that we need.  We finally got the players that we need.  We finally got the coaching staff that we need to beat these guys."

That's how I feel about our UM.  We're not quite there, but those are the steps that you take to get to the level of a Champion, he's done it multiple times before, and I feel that Jim is doing a good job of putting those pieces in place for us as well.  I like Fleck, but I'll take Harbaugh.

Has he beaten Ohio State?

Imagine if harbaugh played in the big ten west.  It’s harbaugh

Ok, so he won one big game to date. But to think he is now more effective than JH is quite a stretch.  Dude is a good coach and I hope he is successful,  but beating a waaaaay over ranked PSU at home is not worth the comparison. 

#overreaction.  I suppose you felt the same way about Brohm after his first year at Purdue.

I could care less about a coach's politics.  Can they get the job done?  Happy for Fleck and good for Minnesota and the resurgence of a long dormant program.  I'm happy with who Michigan has and the job he does.

So far his turnarounds are on par with JHs.  Both did so at smaller schools with Fleck at WMU and JH at San Diego.  Then both did so at weaker P5 teams, Fleck at Minney and JH at Stanford.  JH then has brought UM back to previous levels at UM and maintained that.  What's still missing for him is overcoming the unstoppable force that is OSU.  It's yet to be determined if Fleck can become elite at a blue blood.  Can he recruit at an elite level?...that remains unknown. 

I do like Fleck's offense better than JH's.  I also like his ability to motivate.  He is kind of annoying.  Both coaches are quirky.  But, Fleck's players seem to buy into his "Row the Boat" schtick.  So far I'd say JH still has the edge because he's proven he can recruit at a very high level and can beat basically everyone except OSU, at least at home. 

Minney beat PSU at home, we'll see they can take care of Iowa and Wiscy.  If they lose both I'd say JH still has the edge.  If they split, maybe they are about even in terms of perception.  If they sweep and can play OSU closer than UM in the conference championship, then I'd give Fleck the edge. 

So far the jury's still out and both still have something to prove the rest of this season.  I think this is a good question.  I was just considering it the other day.  But, it's still a wait and see.

Whoa, pump the brakes!

Love what Fleck is doing but he has not surpassed Harbaugh yet.

Sure, Minny has a great record  but that includes extremely close wins against  San Diego State, Georgia Southern and Fresno, lol.

As for Harbaugh, his record is still better over the past 5 years despite the shortcomings.  And don't forget Harbaugh's overall record which includes resurrecting USD, Stanford and the 49ers and barely missing out on a Super Bowl trophy.

Harbaugh hands down. Although PJ runs a solid flea-flecker 

Wow, great question with the kuh-honies to throw it out here, good luck. Me, they have both been winners wherever they have Coached.

If you have to state it is a legit question after asking, it is not a legit question. 

Fleck was below .500 prior to this season. And has some close calls this year against some teams that have no business being in games against top teams. Penn State is the first quality team they’ve played.

Just stop. 

Fleck for me. 

You might want to wait until the season is over until we enthrone PJ Fleck and entomb Harbaugh. 

PJ Fleck hasn't won anything yet.  Not the B1G West, not the B1G championship game, nothing.  The biggest win in Fleck's tenure as head coach prior to Saturday was when Minnesota took back Paul Bunyan's Axe last season for the first time in 15 years.

Harbaugh's record by the 9th game of his 3rd season at Michigan was 27-8, compared to Fleck's 21-13.  Characterizing PJ Fleck as an "unquestionably" better coach than Harbaugh on the strength of one single win is beyond stupid and discounts all the big wins Harbaugh has had in his time as Michigan's coach.

When Minnesota loses at Iowa this weekend, I'll keep my eyes open for your retraction post.