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Are you telling me that the…

Are you telling me that the NCAA now allows sideline recording and in season scouting? Because I don't think the change allowing helmet communication does any of that. Sure there will be no signs to steal now, if everyone will call plays via headset, but I haven't heard of any changes to the sideline recording or in-season scouting rules, which are the rules we were charged with breaking.

Hey now, watch what you say,…

Hey now, watch what you say, they'll be calling you a radical
A liberal, oh, fanatical, criminal.
 

He's more like .949367% the…

He's more like .949367% the player that his dad was, being 6'3" instead of 6'7".

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Let me get this straight. So…

Let me get this straight. So essentially, we did a better job helping our student athletes learn and grow their skill set than the NCAA likes, and we met for burgers with recruits on a day that it was not allowed. This sounds very serious, and likely to cause irreparable harm to the unpaid student athletes the NCAA is tasked with protecting. I'm glad the NCAA is fully investigating every other team in Division I in the same manner, to make sure that all student athletes were being fully protected and not taken advantage of by anyone else (other than the NCAA). 

In fairness though that was…

In fairness though that was the only data point you stated. And you are right, JJ did lead us, along with Blake, the D and the OL. He certainly helped us get to where we did, and should very much be on the Michigan football Mt. Rushmore (along with Blake, Hutchinson, Brady Woodson, etc) but that doesn't mean he's a top 5 NFL pick.

Winning football teams…

Winning football teams overwhelming are led by the top QBs. Exceptions are rare. 

I don't disagree that QB position is the most important in the NFL , but that's not necessarily the case in college. If we're talking statistics, then JJ is case in point here. He was #34 in passing yards and #36 in passing tds, #6 in completion percentage, and #9 in passing efficiency https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/individual/8. Solid, but not earth shattering by any means, although I'm sure this is not news to anyone on the board. We still went 15-0, because we had all of the other pieces required to be a winning team. 

Anyway, if you're arguing that JJ is better than Cade, then I absolutely agree, but I don't think JJ is a top 5 pick at this point, precisely because the QB position is so important in the NFL.

 

That's an interesting point…

That's an interesting point. If I were a QB prospect, I'd rather get the chance to work with a hall of fame level coach, like a John/Jim Harbaugh or an Andy Reid, then someone who just happens to be a head coach currently. Looking at the top 10 picks, and nobody outside of Jim looks to be that kind of coach. JJ would probably be better suited to go 12 to the Broncos and get to learn under Sean Payton, than some of the other options.

JJ was solid no doubt, but…

JJ was solid no doubt, but he didn't single-handedly carry us to 15-0 and 27-1. Blake, the defense & the coaching probably had more to do with our record over that span than JJ. He more than played his part with what he was asked to do, and was definitely an integral part of the team, but I wouldn't say he was the main reason we won a championship. 

John Tyson is personally…

John Tyson is personally negotiating the Calipari trade with Kentucky's AD. In exchange for Calipari, they are converting the concession stand to all chicken at no charge. Instead of hot dogs, chicken dogs. Instead of pretzels, chicken twists. Instead of beer, alcoholic chicken.

He might be enthusiastic…

He might be enthusiastic about drinking whole milk and driving an RV, but let's be real here. Jim has a whole other level of enthusiasm reserved just for football.

You're presenting a…

You're presenting a hypothetical: What if Rose only did moneyline bets on the Reds and literally every decision he made would have been the same without or without the bet? That's a hypothetical that cannot be assumed at all.

Yes exactly, hypothetically if he is only using his insider knowledge as a competitive advantage, then the only real victim here would be the bookie that lets him bet on a game he is managing. Which I guess makes me wonder why a bookie would let Pete Rose bet on a game to begin with, unless there was a way for the bookie to profit on that connection himself.

I agree that it can get…

I agree that it can get murky, but what manager wouldn't try to score more runs when up by only one? But like I said, theoretically, if he's not doing anything differently than he would have in that situation, than I don't think its a problem. He might just know that its likely the Reds would win by more than 1.5 runs vs the opponent in question, because of XYZ.

The last time a huge star…

The last time a huge star got caught gambling, instead of suspending him, they sent him to play baseball for a year.

I'm not sure I buy the narrative that Jordan quit basketball because he was secretly suspended for gambling. That doesn't make any sense, what's the point of a secret suspensions? What would the NBA gain from losing their biggest star without at least taking a public stand against whatever gambling actions might have occurred, if the goal was to maintain the integrity of the game in the eyes of the public.

I think what is far more likely is that Jordan was having a sort of early midlife crisis, having achieved so much already, and dealing with the recent murder of his dad. I think that's more likely than the secret suspension conspiracy theory that gets passed around as fact.

Good rule of thumb in life…

Good rule of thumb in life is if you have three federal agencies all actively investigating you for something you're kinda fucked.

Either that or you're the presidential nominee of a major political party. 

Pete Rose was the manager of…

Pete Rose was the manager of his team when he placed most of his bets.

This whole Pete Rose betting on baseball thing is still interesting to me. I bet no other person is better equipped to know more about their teams strengths and weaknesses vs that of the opposition than the manager of a baseball team.

As long as Rose used his knowledge of baseball as an advantage, and he didn't purposely influence the outcome of a game for his team to lose, I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I don't doubt that it's probably too murky a situation for a manager to be in, as they do have a lot of influence in the outcome of a game, but in theory I guess, as long as there is/was no impropriety as to the integrity of the outcome of the game, I don't see it as being problematic. 

Hehe, boobs. Hehe.

Hehe, boobs. Hehe.

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Taco Pants Tacopants

No headset and clapping…

No headset and clapping jokery aside, if there was anything Hoke excelled at, it was developing D line talent. In that capacity he would be a great hire, and it would be tremendous to see coach back on the sideline in maize and blue again. 

or the gambling debt is…

or the gambling debt is actually Ohtani's, and the translator is taking the fall for it?

If that's the case, its going to be fun to see how creative MLB is at sweeping this thing under the rug. There's no way they'll let this be another Pete Rose situation.

It's simple though, even…

It's simple though, even here on the blog, a lot of the success we had was attributed by some to Martelli being the real coach, and when we failed, it was because Howard didn't have enough experience. Naturally that makes Martelli a great candidate with those folks.

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He can also withhold the clapping when appropriate, so he'd be a perfect fit. 

But are any of them verified…

But are any of them verified? You can find a lot of shit on the internet, doesn't mean it's true just because someone says it. 

Point me to a single story backed up by actual facts and I'll digress. 

Ok, that is a different…

Ok, that is a different argument than what I thought was being made.

 

per rivals:

Alabama 2008 #1 class, 3-5* 19-4*. Just a bit ahead of Notre Dame (3-5*, 16 4*), Florida (4-5*, 12-4*) and Ohio (4-5*, 9-4*). First, but not exactly world breaking, although coming after a 7-6 year.

Alabama 2009 #1, 4 5*, 14 4*. Ahead of LSU (4-5*, 11-4*) and USC (4-5*, 11-4*). First again, but similar enough to other top programs, and coming off a 12-2 season.

Alabama 2010 #5 1 5*,  15 4*. Behind USC (4 13), Florida (4-5* 17-4*) Texas (2-5* 19-4*), Auburn (3- 5* 13-4*). This is coming off Saban's first National Championship season. Again, in line with other top programs. 

I don't think any of this stuff screams "unprecedented". Did he start off strong? Absolutely! But he was just returning from a stint in the NFL,and had won a national championship at LSU 5 years prior. It's not out of the question that he would be able to use that to help him recruit. And recruiting was in line with what USC, LSU, Texas and Florida were getting at the time as well. It doesn't look like a total outlier to me.

To be clear, I'm not saying he couldn't have possibly been cheating or paying players, I'm saying that the evidence presented is speculation, so we shouldn't treat it as an unquestionable truth. 

I'm not denying that, but…

I'm not denying that, but the reason school have been able to increase coaching salaries by as much as they have is because more money was coming in from conference tv network deals, not vice versa. 

Right, these are stories and…

Right, these are stories and rumors not backed up by actual evidence. If that had been the case for all these years, where is the smoking gun? Though I agree that no evidence of wrongdoing doesn't necessarily mean that there wasn't any, it also doesn't mean that there was. 

I think the success that Alabama on the field, combined Saban's ability to get top players exposure on the biggest stage in college football and the lower admissions standard would probably give them a huge advantage in recruiting compared to other teams over the past 17 years. No other team has had close to that level of success over such a long period of time, so it's really not that surprising that it would influence top recruits decisions more so in the days before NIL and free transfers than it does now. 
 

I know we've done well over…

I know we've done well over the last 3 years, but you can't compare a 3 year stretch that has been the most successful for Michigan football since 1997, with the body of work that Saban has had over the past 17 years at Alabama. Additionally, Harbaugh was off interviewing for NFL jobs each of those seasons, so it's no surprise that we weren't able to capitalize further on that in terms of recruiting success.

Besides that, we also have much tougher admissions standards at U of M than they do at Alabama, so even if all other things would be equal, they would have an advantage as far as recruiting. I think that better explains their recruiting success compared to us than the easy (and unverified) excuse that they are paying players when there is no evidence at all to support that other than rumors and speculation.

There is no evidence for the…

There is no evidence for the narrative that Saban was paying players, at least nothing other than speculation that it must be so. I don't believe Alabama's recruiting success was due to cheating, I believe that they consistently got the best players because they were consistently winning championships and getting players drafted in the NFL. Saban had his pick of players because they wanted to be a part of that when NIL was not an option. 

However, coaches like Saban…

However, coaches like Saban are also responsible for this mess, because of the grotesquely bloated salaries that they've demanded over the past two decades.

I don't know if it's fair to blame the coaches themselves for the infusion of money into the college game over the past twenty years or so. This is the work of the conferences and the tv networks bidding the contracts up, and to a lesser extent their agents that negotiate the contracts and the consumers that continue to pay for the ever-growing cost of cable/streaming tv services. It's unfortunate that greed on the part of the conferences and tv networks is ruining the very essence of the college game, and I wouldn't be surprised if it eventually kills everything that is good about it, if that hasn't already happened.  

The newest attempt was hand…

The newest attempt was hand timed.  I think the recruiting profiles would give it 5 out of 5 fakes

Seeing how it seems to be an advertisement for whatever crypto currency or nutritional supplements he's hawking these days, I'd say you are correct. 

They are slowly killing all…

They are slowly killing all that is good about college football just to extract a few more bucks before it all collapses. I'm at a point where I don't think I even care anymore. Thank god we have the 2023 title to look back on, because I'm not sure I'll be able to give a damn about college football going forward.

I think I was expecting an…

I think I was expecting an actual ticket, with my actual seat number on it, so I was disappointed. Still looks nice I guess, definitely something worth keeping in a keepsakes box to remember, but not as awesome as I thought they were going to be. Either way its a bonus, as I wasn't even expecting this since i purchased tickets on the secondary market.

a/s/l 

a/s/l 

My comment was regarding how…

My comment was regarding how the roster turnover will affect the upcoming season, but glad you think it's a positive. I'd be much happier if some of those guys would have stayed at Michigan another year. 

So does that mean we lose…

So does that mean we lose more good players than any of those teams? Because if that's the case, I'm not excited about it.

3, maybe 4. Harbaugh has a…

3, maybe 4. Harbaugh has a long record of turning things around and making an impact from the start. Looking forward to seeing what coach can do in the NFL. Hope he scratches that itch and comes back for good when he's ready.

It might have backfired for…

It might have backfired for Reese, but it was "great success" for Michigan fans. He contributed to Alabama losing the Rose Bowl and putting Saban out to pasture.

But that's all a part of the…

But that's all a part of the game of football. Teams don't start with the ball on the same spot on the field on every possession. Special teams have an impact, depending on how good/bad punting, kick-off coverage and returning is. Historically these has been strengths for Michigan football, so not being able to have that be a factor in in overtime games is unfortunate.

You could say the same…

You could say the same things about 2016. Maybe with different OT rules we win against Ohio State and get to the NCG that year. IIRC we had one of the best special teams in the country, with excellent kickoff coverage and Jabril Peppers returning kicks. It definitely was not to our advantage to leave them out of the equation. 

I'm not denying that it's…

I'm not denying that it's equitable, as both teams get an equal chance, but college OT does take away special teams from the equation. Why would it be any more unfair to have the same OT rules in college as they do in the NFL? 

It can't be worse than how…

It can't be worse than how it's done in college football, getting rid of kick-offs and punts, and starting with the ball at the 25-yard line. It makes it totally different game, and obviously benefits teams that are better in the redzone. 

In honesty, it makes more…

In honesty, it makes more sense that he interviewed with UCLA, as he was already the OC and interim head coach there in 2017. People hop around when trying to move up, I venture to say that's more of the norm than staying put, though interviewing for another job one month into your new job does appear to be Tennessee-era-Lane-Kiffen-esque.

Right after he wins a…

Right after he wins a championship. We know the drill.

Right up there with Brady…

This is right up there with Brady Hoke's second stint at San Diego State.  For those that don't remember, in 2019 Hoke took the DL coach position under Rocky Long, who had succeeded Hoke after he left 9 years prior, only to have Long "retire" in 2020 leaving Hoke as the head coach again, with Long moving on to New Mexico as their DC.

Maybe this is what Kelly is doing, getting his foot in the door prior to Day "retiring" next year leaving Kelly as the Buckeyes head coach. 

I moved to Michigan when I…

I moved to Michigan when I was 10 in the summer of 1991. The first question I remember anyone asking me is whether I liked Michigan or Michigan State. Not knowing anything about college athletics, I asked what the difference was, and was told that Michigan's colors were maize and blue, and MSU was green and white. That was all I needed to know, and I declared myself a Michigan fan.

The next thing I know the Fab 5 are taking over basketball and we win the 1997 national championship in football. I've been a fan ever since, but I didn't start watching every Michigan football game since my U of M grad wife and I got together in time for Chad Henne and Mike Hart's first game in 2004. The next 19 years were a blur of ups and downs, but here we are basking in the post national championship glory, knowing that we earned it by getting through the tough times.

 

 

I think you did a great job…

I think you did a great job explaining your qualifications and experience, so I don't doubt that you understand how college athletic departments operate. This all sounds very impressive, especially to average people on the blog that have no idea what an AD does. But what makes you think that Warde does not also know how an athletic department should operate as well or better than you do? And what evidence do you have that he is was not prepared? We all know that some key assistant coaches left, but how do you know that Warde doesn't have a plan in place for that much like you did, or that coach Moore doesn't either?

I think without providing actual evidence to support your claims, your post is just speculation, regardless of what your experience and qualifications may be. 

 

These two definitely fucked,…

These two definitely fucked, and it involved several bottles of Cheese Whiz and a hot dog roller machine.  

You know Charlie Walser's…

You know Charlie Walser's got that place out east of Sanderson?  Well, you know how he used to slaughter beeves — hit 'em  right there in the forehead with a maul, truss 'em up, and slit their throats? Here, Charlie's got one all trussed up; all set to drain him, and the beef comes to — starts thrashing around: six hundred pounds of very pissed off livestock... you'll excuse the... well. Charlie grabs a gun there [to] shoot the damn thing in the head, but, with all the swingin' and the thrashin', it's a glance shot: ricochets around, comes back, hits Charlie in the shoulder. You go see Charlie: he still can't pick up his right hand for his hat. The point bein' that, even in the contest between man and steer, the issue is not certain.

The answer I was looking for…

The answer I was looking for is NOOOOOBOOODY! But you are correct.

Who got it righter than Seth?

Who got it righter than Seth?