The first Conner Stalions lackey to speak

Submitted by Ezekiels Creatures on October 27th, 2023 at 8:22 PM

 

--"a couple hundred dollars" and a ticket to a Michigan home game

--former Division 3 football player and coach

--uploaded the videos he took on his personal cell phone to a shared iPhone photo album

--was wary of Stalions' plan "to a degree" when he was first approached... but felt that if someone from Michigan's staff was asking him to do this that it must fall safely in the gray area of rules.

--"I just felt like if you're not doing it, you're not trying to get ahead."

 

FULL ARTICLE:  https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38758564/ex-d-iii-coach-says-u-m-staffer-hired-record-future-big-10-foes

 

 

Ezekiels Creatures

October 27th, 2023 at 8:35 PM ^

ESPN contacted several other individuals this week whose names were connected to ticket purchases made by Stalions. One woman based in Jacksonville said she was friends with Stalions from their time together in the military but hung up abruptly when asked about attending last year's Florida-Georgia game in Jacksonville.

RobM_24

October 27th, 2023 at 8:38 PM ^

Good to hear the payment was minimal. I'm assuming he gets a set of tickets or something for being on the staff and that's where the gifted ticket comes from (???). Either way, that all seems like small enough expenses to be paid by Stalions himself. 

RibbleMcDibble

October 27th, 2023 at 8:44 PM ^

Even if the money wasn't from his parents - Brian's theory - didn't we learn he airbnbs his house? Couldn't he have savings from his time in the military? Credit cards? People go hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt for college degrees, I really don't think it's too crazy to think this guy has some credit card debt funding this if he thinks it's going to lead to a lucrative career.

Blue 5

October 27th, 2023 at 9:31 PM ^

He's putting the tickets on his credit card so I'm guessing even if he didn't have a bunch of money, running up a credit card bill isn't unrealistic. What's the monthly payment on a credit card with about $5K balance? A few hundred bucks a month? I'm sure a single guy with no life reviewing video 16 hours a day can handle that on $55k.

lilpenny1316

October 27th, 2023 at 8:40 PM ^

This is just fascinating. I'm so desensitized that now I just tune out the morality police and get the facts. Thank you OSU PI team for making this the most newsworthy bye week in team history.

RibbleMcDibble

October 27th, 2023 at 8:41 PM ^

Unless someone on the main staff can be connected to this, the story is done.

At this point it's whether the NCAA and/or Big Ten decide down the road that this was what it was - a minor advantage gleaned by a staffer who exploited a grey area in the rule book that - I guess - he shouldn't have and Michigan gets probation...or that it's the reason Michigan won all those games and therefore those wins must be vacated.

NeverPunt

October 27th, 2023 at 8:45 PM ^

I’m hoping stalions’ role on the staff was summed up as “gee you are really adept at figuring out the other teams signs. Keep up the great work and see if you can get better at it. Also don’t break any explicit rules. Now hop to it!” 
 

if he does whatever he did from there, that’s on him. The end.

M-Dog

October 27th, 2023 at 9:25 PM ^

The NCAA itself has acknowledged that sign-scouting affords "minimal competitive advantage."

So, the fair Michigan punishment should be to go back and dock us a field goal from the score of each of our games.

OK, dock us a touchdown just to be safe.

OK, dock us two touchdowns just to be safe.

OK, dock us three touchdowns just to be safe. 

What's that you say?  Still doesn't matter.

mjc

October 27th, 2023 at 8:45 PM ^

I wish we could know either most teams do in person scouting or most teams don’t do in person scouting. Then I can better decide how I feel. If most teams don’t have some sort of in person scouting, I believe, other teams have a legit gripe. 


OSU fans believe this is the only reason they lost to us. The fact that we scouted them for an entire season. My head is all over the place. 

doubleblue2

October 27th, 2023 at 8:55 PM ^

It shouldn’t be.  Any concern I had went out with the fact that sign stealers of each team get together and trade. 
 

That’s in person scouting of an opponent in the same season.  
 

instead of it being connor’s friend it’s an actual university employee on the sideline. 

DelhiWolverine

October 27th, 2023 at 9:20 PM ^

If scouting in person provided that significant of an advantage, the rulebook would be more explicit about prohibiting it, and it would actually attach a serious penalty for any infractions. The fact that it doesn’t means that it’s probably does not provide a significant competitive difference.

titanfan11

October 27th, 2023 at 8:47 PM ^

Sorry if this has come up in other threads, but some thing(s) I've been wondering:

1.  The players would have to know, right?  Like, not just an inkling but know?

2.  With today's landscape of coaches leaving and players transferring, wouldn't something like this be deemed even riskier?  What would be stopping Cade from saying something to an Iowa reporter?  Or Andrel Anthony at Oklahoma?  I'm not saying coaches don't cheat out of fear of some angry transfers, but...

Hensons Mobile…

October 27th, 2023 at 9:32 PM ^

Taking this from what Sam Webb said on the radio, today or yesterday...days are running together for me.

In the Sports Illustrated article, there was a text from Stalions that said pre-Covid he stole signs from a TV copy and was able to help Gattis with it. So they already knew he had some talent for it.

At such point that he was hired, he had the keys to the kingdom inside Schembechler Hall as far as access to video for all the games, going back years, already cut up, plus the All-22s. So they would naturally think he'd be even better at that point.

I don't think any of us message board people can know how reasonable or unreasonable it was for them to not know.

Hensons Mobile…

October 27th, 2023 at 8:55 PM ^

1. No, absolutely not. The coaches didn't even know (we're hoping). But even if the coaches did know, I don't know how the players would know. Aidan Hutchinson said he didn't even know who Stalions was.

2. Obviously it wasn't foolproof. He certainly could have done better in that regard. But I still think he thought he found a legal way to do it.

titanfan11

October 27th, 2023 at 9:05 PM ^

I didn't phrase my original very well.  I guess I meant the players had to know they had a guy who was exceptional at something sign-related.  

There is no reason they should have known how he did it (if true, vast, whatever).  But, that many guys on the sideline, some not getting any game action at all, had to notice Stalions, had to see him talking to coaches/charts/etc. and realize "damn, he's good"  

titanfan11

October 27th, 2023 at 9:37 PM ^

Correct, I never played.  But I pitched in college.  And I can tell you that I believe I would have noticed if we had a guy who went up to our coach, told him something, our coach moved our corner infielders in, and then the hitter bunted.

I get that the players are talking to their position coaches, watching the game, trying to learn or contribute in anyway, but I also can't fathom that many guys not noticing something.  

Again, they may not have known the depths of what was going on (if these daily reports are true), but I would have to think at least some of them saw.