Crystal balls for NPF..not good

Submitted by Jkidd49 on

in case you were wondering how tomorrow is going to go for the Wolverines.. the last few balls in for our only remaining 2018 OT are going the way of the scarlett and grey.

 

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DrMantisToboggan

February 6th, 2018 at 1:59 PM ^

There's communication transfers due to staff turnover, there's the slow pace of offers because the class was supposed to be smaller, there's the worse record on the field...there's many reasons that you shouldn't have expected another top 10 class, this class was always going to be in the teens. Is it lower than we'd like even for the circumstances that were known? Sure. We lost Friday due to negative recruiting about Partridge (which ended up being unfounded. OSU playing dirty? Never!). Ruckert and Tyreke Smith (I think you're referring to) were always OSU leans, we didn't even recruit Smith very hard. NPF was a five-star from Florida, we don't get a lot of them so I don't get why people are in their feelings about him. 

 

Partridge has been the best recruiter on staff since he has been on staff, he hasn't gone anywhere or fallen off. Wheatley killed the Detroit area but we didn't miss on any Michigan recruits that we wanted this year, so his loss has not been an impact on the recruiting trail to this point. Drevno was a higher rated recruiter last cycle than Fisch. 

 

We just weren't going to have a top 10 class this year. We have made good hires/appointments in the department. We're going to have a top class again next year. It's fine.

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DHughes5218

February 6th, 2018 at 8:37 PM ^

We didn’t lose Friday because OSU said Partridge was leaving. If that were true he would’ve flipped back to us. He signs his LOI tomorrow. It’s not like he signed in December. We have the best public university in the country. We arguably have the richest history in college football. We have one of the greatest coaches in football regardless of level and top of the line facilities. Unless we are signing a class of 15 or less, we shouldn’t have a class that finishes in the teens.

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sjordan1949

February 6th, 2018 at 11:20 PM ^

UM has the richest college football history if you go back to 1900, but today's recruits don't care about that.  In this century and for the current recruits' lives, UM is decidedly a mediocre program.  The last time, UM was relevant on the national stage was 2006 when the current recruits were 6 or 7 years old.

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G. Gulo of the Dale

February 6th, 2018 at 3:05 PM ^

According to 247's own rankings, they were top-five classes:

2016:  5

2017:  3

According to the the 247 composite, they were top-ten:

2016:  8

2017:  5

Personally, I'd privelege the latter, but it's not like people are just "lying" or "exaggerating"--well, they could be, but there is a metric that one could use to justify such statements.
 
[Also, we've lost some of those guys--Asiasi especially stands out--but most programs lose players along the way.]

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ColeIsCorky

February 6th, 2018 at 5:26 PM ^

Look at the point differentials between #4 and #8 of the 2016 Composite Rankings. If you can look at that and tell me that the recruiting difference was anything other than a "standard deviation" in point differential then you need to learn to read into numbers better. Everyone who remembers that recruiting class praised the work Harbaugh did that year, and we got almost all of our top targets that we were in on towards the end.

2016 was a really good class, 2017 was a little bit better, 2018 was a Clemsonesque dip, and 2019 is a sign of great things if they can hold onto the work they've already done. You can be disappointed in how this class ended - that's fine. But if you don't look at who is already "committed" in 2019 and choose to do Harbaugh's previous two classes a disservice, then you're just cranky.

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TheLastStraw

February 6th, 2018 at 1:31 PM ^

This is a stellar example of recency bias.

"The staff is not good at recruiting."

Maybe you could make this conclusion if 2018 recruiting results were your only metric. The 2016 and 2017 classes, on the other hand, do not support this conclusion. As others have suggested, the 2019 class also look likely to be great.

I absolutely agree that we have underperformed in recruiting this year -- just as we did on the field. Does this mean that the staff is not good at recruiting? Maybe, but it could also be bad luck (among a number of other factors). 

This take ignores the three-year data in favor of a single year's worth of data.

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Jkidd49

February 6th, 2018 at 1:35 PM ^

on the whole i think is misplaced and fairly ignorant but i think its totally fair to complain about the offensive line recruiting in particular OT.  They may not have a single quaity starting tackle on their entire roster and that is fair to judge harshley until proven otherwise especially since this has been an ongoing issue.

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Pepto Bismol

February 6th, 2018 at 3:33 PM ^

Overall, I have little concern with our recruiting with two positional exceptions:

I don't understand why we can't (or don't) land an elite level running back. A run-heavy style with a big name coach at a blue blood university, you'd think you'd have guys waiting in line to play here, yet we are amassing an army of generic 3-star ball carriers. I love them all and I'm sure they will all lead us to multiple national championships, but I'm blown away that we have yet to land a high-profile back in 3 full recruiting cycles (with a debatable asterisk for Kareem Walker).

And Offensive Tackle. Seriously guys. It's wide open. Nobody wants it? 

 

The rest? QB, WR, TE, D-Line, LBs & Secondary have had their fair share of hits and currently look to be adequately stocked for the future.

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Gitback

February 6th, 2018 at 1:34 PM ^

Just can't agree with that. 

Results on the field are the single biggest recruiting tool any program has.  We could have Tom Brady himself personally visiting every recruit on our board and the OSU guys would just yawn and say "score board" and still take their pick.  

Our coaches recruit very well considering they can't point to a whole lot of results in terms of bowl wins, conference championships, playoff appearances, WINS OVER OSU. 

Hell, MSU can actually point to a lot more recent success then we can, and our coaches STILL outrecruit them.  There are players on MSU's team right now that have B1G rings they can show off to recruits, and they still can't real in the occasional Jabrill Peppers, Rashan Gary, DPJ, etc...

Now, if you want to criticize our coaching staff's ability to put a product on the field that will line up and beat elite teams... well then, okay.  That might be legit.  I personally believe that it was always going to take 3 or so years for Harbaugh to get to that level, but I'll listen to the argument.  

But saying our coaching staff "can't recruit?"  That's a bridge too far for me.

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JonnyHintz

February 6th, 2018 at 5:44 PM ^

With the state of the roster, I was among the people who felt it would take 3-4 years before Harbaugh had the team in a position to compete. Obviously he shattered those expectations, but people don’t realize the negative impact that Hoke’s recruiting has had on the program. The imbalanced class numbers have left this year’s team with a major void of upperclassmen. Then there was the complete lack of recruiting done at certainly positions. When Harbaugh took the job, there were two scholarship QBs on the roster (Morris and Speight). Take a look at the current secondary depth chart. Where are the upperclassmen? Kinnel, Watson and....? Then you have monumental misses at key positions like WR. Guys like Harris and Ways who should have been relied on for veteran leadership, were complete busts. You cannot afford that in small classes. It’s things like that that caused me to project 7-5 in Harbaugh’s first year and that it wouldn’t be until Year 4 when Michigan was able to balance the roster back out and be at a point where they could compete regularly.

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StraightDave

February 6th, 2018 at 2:32 PM ^

Over the last few weeks I've read about MSU, OSU, and now Alabama recruting in the DFW area.   No sign of Michigan.  Harbaugh is too busy spending his $7 mil and doesn't have time to recruit.   

Actually, according to MGoBlog stars don't matter.   Harbaugh should just fill each class with 20 kids from Michigan.  

Urban Meyer must like not having any recruiting competition from UM.  

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Maize N' Ute

February 6th, 2018 at 1:24 PM ^

We suck again!!

In all seriousness, 2019 looks like it coule be a good year for the O-Line and recruiting in general. We have one OL commit in Rumler, who is highly rated coming out of OH.  Weren't there rumors about Hinton being a potentional Tackle? 6'4 seems a little small for that position unless he's expected to grow another inch or two.

We need to have a good year on the field in order to get those elite guys.  Time for Harbaugh and his staff to pick it up.

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Jimmyisgod

February 6th, 2018 at 1:28 PM ^

Never thopught we had a good chane at NPF, shocking if Ohio State gets him, that will be terrible as their class is insane already.

 

What's the latest on Reese?

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Blue in PA

February 6th, 2018 at 1:29 PM ^

I hope we flip a 3* lineman from Syracuse or Ky, or something tomorrow... just so maizen can lose his mind.

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Maizen

February 6th, 2018 at 3:05 PM ^

Well we already flipped a Missouri State basketball recruit, why not a lacrosse player while we're at it. He'll fit right into this craptastic recruiting class.

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