Combing of coaches' phones has begun; NCAA interviewing M staff today
From Sam Webb's latest update ($): "I was told the combing of at least some coaches' phones has started, so the hunt is underway to see whether there was any involvement beyond Stalions himself."
In addition, Nicole Auerbach tweeted that "NCAA investigators interviewed members of the Michigan football staff today, a source confirms to @TheAthletic."
Also, Isaiah Hole says that there is an established network within the B1G whereby the designated sign-stealers on each team trade with their friendly counterparts on other teams (a remarkable development that I wasn't aware of).
I actually spoke to a Big Ten source, who gave me a quote — if other people are out there sharing anonymous quotes and these ESPN and SI articles, I can too. So, here is what I learned, ‘Every Sunday, coaches and support staff with mutual connections throughout the conference contact each other to trade not just schematic notes, but also to trade signals. Some of the top teams who consistently trade signals and have very accurate information on common opponents are Michigan, Rutgers, Ohio State, Indiana, and Purdue. Other teams who are decent at it and would always look to trade are Illinois, Northwestern, Maryland, Minnesota, and Penn State. Wisconsin was oblivious to it but is likely no longer with the new staff. Michigan State, Iowa, and Nebraska appear to be oblivious and out of the loop.’
October 26th, 2023 at 4:20 PM ^
how awesome would it be if once all this investigating was done and the dust settles, the only thing to come of it was a sanction on OSU for paying a firm to investigate Michigan
i mean, that quote would be fairly easy to prove or disprove
sounds like a kid complaining to his mom his brother snuck a cookie from the cookie jar while he’s chewing on one he snuck from the cookie jar
October 26th, 2023 at 4:26 PM ^
If it turns out that hiring a firm to investigate and publicly disparage your rival is a ok, college football is about to get a lot more entertaining.
October 26th, 2023 at 4:40 PM ^
Agreed. Honestly I can't wait to find out who hired the firm
October 26th, 2023 at 5:03 PM ^
You could essentially create a PAC to achieve this. Just like in politics, it’s all about the dark money.
This was paid by someone/ entity with an agenda against M/ Harbaugh. It’s just so bizarre.
as I said yesterday in a thread, I would do whatever I could, if I’m someone with standing, to get the ‘investigation firm’ in court to determine who paid them. That’s the story.
October 26th, 2023 at 5:27 PM ^
Only problem with creating a PAC is all the teams would leave to go to other conferences ...../s
October 26th, 2023 at 6:05 PM ^
ohio state nil collective anyone?
October 26th, 2023 at 5:01 PM ^
Im wondering if OSUs rush to ‘bust’ us for this they didnt commit their own infractions by videoing our sideline last year. Theyve got some conveniently crisp shots of Stallions next to Minter.
October 26th, 2023 at 5:19 PM ^
If the NCAA is looking at their sideline video IN GAME and trying to figure out how they should punish US then its time to burn it all down.
Brian is right in that we "shouldnt" get punished with much. The problem is you would be putting faith in a fair and balanced NCAA.
We have had more issues with the NCAA during our one true Championship hunt than Bama has had in 15 years of recruiting the number 1 or 2 class. Come on. NCAA you reign is near an end.
October 26th, 2023 at 6:53 PM ^
Who is going to FOIA the OSU athletic department to get the emails?
October 26th, 2023 at 4:20 PM ^
"Michigan State, Iowa, and Nebraska appear to be oblivious and out of the loop." LMAO
October 26th, 2023 at 4:31 PM ^
That is by far the best quote to come from all of this
October 26th, 2023 at 7:17 PM ^
Also least surprising
October 26th, 2023 at 4:39 PM ^
This + Devin Gardner on MMQB segment with Sam this week “how bad is Michigan State we don’t even talk about them” #footnote
October 26th, 2023 at 4:54 PM ^
Iowa hasn't even heard about the forward pass yet, so this tracks.
October 26th, 2023 at 5:03 PM ^
Truer words, man.
October 26th, 2023 at 6:02 PM ^
MSU will argue that everyone else in the East should be disqualified and they should go to the Big 10 championship game
October 26th, 2023 at 4:20 PM ^
How dare OP bring new and relevant information in to a post.
Don't you know posts are just for people to throw in their 2 cents?
/s
October 26th, 2023 at 4:21 PM ^
Haha. Thanks Comrade!
October 26th, 2023 at 4:21 PM ^
The next big "bombshell" will be that one day, Jim Harbaugh texted Connor Stallions to tell him that he was taking the entire staff to The Brown Jug for burgers.
October 26th, 2023 at 4:22 PM ^
"Some of the top teams who consistently trade signals and have very accurate information on common opponents are Michigan, Rutgers, Ohio State, Indiana, and Purdue. Other teams who are decent at it and would always look to trade are Illinois, Northwestern, Maryland, Minnesota, and Penn State."
If that's the case, then why is the national press wasting everyone's time with this? Why is the NCAA even in Ann Arbor interviewing anyone?
October 26th, 2023 at 4:25 PM ^
Maybe his point is that anybody with an agenda can make up some total bullshit and say it's from "anonymous sources"
October 26th, 2023 at 4:34 PM ^
Sign stealing is not strictly against the rules, so it can be both true that there is some group of teams that trade signals and that Connor took things a step too far.
October 26th, 2023 at 4:48 PM ^
True, but the existence of a well-organized sign-stealing exchange (and one that includes OSU, no less) would be quite a surprise to many of the the pearl-clutchers online and in the media.
October 26th, 2023 at 7:18 PM ^
It also reduces the competitive advantage since they all do it.
October 26th, 2023 at 5:25 PM ^
Teams can* do in-person scouting for each other. Not too different--if different at all--from what Stallions was doing. He just wasn't using other teams' personnel.
*Or everyone is breaking the rules, except Michigan State. Congratulations MSU!
October 26th, 2023 at 5:33 PM ^
MeLLLLLLL was busy with other ah, things...
October 26th, 2023 at 7:19 PM ^
His hands were full....
October 26th, 2023 at 5:02 PM ^
As ever, dunking on Michigan and/or Harbaugh gets the people excited and gets em clicking
October 26th, 2023 at 5:02 PM ^
then why is the national press wasting everyone's time with this?
Come on, man. You know why. Hating on Michigan gets clicks
October 26th, 2023 at 5:30 PM ^
Presumably Hole"s source is referring to the actual game day job description, not advance scouting. It may be a distinction without a difference to us, but it's not apparently to the NCAA.
October 26th, 2023 at 5:40 PM ^
The way I look at it is...If the other teams' "signal gatherers" were providing the signals to Michigan before we play their team then shame on them. At that point we didn't solicit them, they were volunteered.
October 26th, 2023 at 4:23 PM ^
Michigan State, Iowa, and Nebraska appear to be oblivious and out of the loop
Uh, wow, that seems to confirm a LOT, esp. MSU & Iowa.
October 26th, 2023 at 4:23 PM ^
I hope SEC shorts does a take on this too
October 26th, 2023 at 4:32 PM ^
This would be amazing, I can already picture that lead actor playing MSU or Iowa left in the dark about the huge party at Devin's house b/c his parents are out of town.
October 26th, 2023 at 4:24 PM ^
I'm past the point of being concerned, this is hilarious.
October 26th, 2023 at 5:02 PM ^
I love college football.
I love that we take such an unserious thing so seriously.
October 26th, 2023 at 6:19 PM ^
Not even close. The national press, the NCAA, etc. have immense reach and powers, no matter how serious someone may or may not take them. People should laugh it up at their own risk. This debacle is serious to some people who can't be dismissed and are highly influential and listened to seriously by a number of people.
I'll feel free to laugh when its become obvious that this bullshit results in mostly nothingburgers, the idiots involved in this thing and their ideas are rejected by reasonable people, and regardless of what happens to the bad actors the good actors get through it in some form of unscathed and recognized as having the character they truly do.
October 26th, 2023 at 4:24 PM ^
"Michigan state ... appears to be oblivious and out of the loop". Well could have been said about just about anything.
October 26th, 2023 at 4:25 PM ^
I'm seeing talk on the internet that some are thinking Stalions information on Tennessee last year may have been sent to South Carolina, and that's why South Carolina blew out Tennessee 63-38. Possible I suppose.
October 26th, 2023 at 4:30 PM ^
It’s possible Stallions is behind every win in college football for the last few decades. Some are saying he may be source of Alabama’s run, Clemson’s improbable rise to power, OSUs big ten dominance for a good while, Lincoln Riley’s secret weapon, and the reason Jimbo Fisher can seem to beat anyone despite buying entire rosters of elite talent
October 26th, 2023 at 4:33 PM ^
I mean, it was said that the man had a vast network ™ © ®. It would make sense.
/s
October 26th, 2023 at 4:44 PM ^
Sounds like Stalions is starting to tread in Michael Barrett’s sandbox. Be careful now.
October 26th, 2023 at 4:44 PM ^
Sounds like Stalions is starting to tread in Michael Barrett’s sandbox. Be careful now.
October 26th, 2023 at 5:03 PM ^
Such a great comment - worth 2 upvotes!!!
October 26th, 2023 at 4:45 PM ^
https://x.com/smoothitron/status/1044695851594129409?s=46&t=cXGZiKlqHtrtNIw5LEr88g
This but with Stallions.
October 26th, 2023 at 4:49 PM ^
He also caught that shark for Jim Mcelwain.
Dude is everywhere.
October 26th, 2023 at 5:19 PM ^
McElwain really loved that shark
October 26th, 2023 at 7:13 PM ^
Have my +1, sir! Underrated comment.
October 26th, 2023 at 4:52 PM ^
If he was able to manipulate the entire CFB landscape with a $15K investment, then every analyst in every program should be fired now. They are doing it wrong. Clearly this isn't the case, but the critics can't decide if he is an evil mastermind or the dumbest criminal of all time. Often they want both to be true, whenever it suits their narrative.
October 26th, 2023 at 4:56 PM ^
Are we sure that Michael Barrett isn't the mastermind of this entire vast network?