Unverified Voracity Is In English 101
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"Stanford? Never heard of it." Any questions about whether Michigan's transfer process is insane or not have been definitively answered. Myles Hinton:
“Right now I’m in General Studies because the credits kind of messed up. I was Human Biology at Stanford. And then, for some reason, they didn’t take a lot of the credits,” Hinton said on Monday. “All my bio credits just dropped. I don't know. It's crazy.”
A reporter replied with the question everyone in the room was thinking: Michigan really didn’t accept credits from Stanford?
“I was like, ‘What in the world?’ I took an intro writing class last semester, and I was like, ‘What’s going on? What’s going on? I took this class freshman year.’ It was crazy,” Hinton explained.
Alejandro Zuniga speculates about why that may be the case, bolding this section of the admissions rules:
Additionally, departmental credit cannot be used to satisfy distribution requirements or major/minor requirements without the permission of an academic or major advisor within the school/college.
This means if you transfer into Michigan all of your non-major classes are garbage and have to be retaken, resulting in a senior transferring in from Stanford re-taking an intro to writing class. So the score here:
- If you have a degree from anywhere, even Michigan State, you can pop on over into a grad program no problem.
- If you're a first-year transfer you can make it work because you haven't taken enough college credits to start capping out. So Michigan can bring in Ernest Hausmann without much difficulty.
- Second and especially third-year players are likely to get Terrance Shannon'd if they can't slog through the rest of their degree over the summer.
This goes beyond sports at this point and is another symptom of a sclerotic bureaucracy at Michigan that seems unassailable at this point. AAPS and Michigan are Spidermans Pointing at this point.
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This is on par with the top speeds in the NFL a year ago and likely means Corum is going to be a 4.3 or 4.4 guy at the combine. Meanwhile, the fastest man in the NFL last year? Kenneth Walker. Mel-without-Walker just keeps looking worse.
Lukewarm take. My hot take on the podcast this week is that Ohio State had the fifth-best QB in the league. First week PFF grading suggests that's optimistic?!
What’s funny is he’s using each QBs overall grade and not the kept clean grades like he is with McCord who has the wrong numbers anyways
— BongoBlue2 (@Blue2Bongo) September 3, 2023
B10 kept clean grades
JJ: 94.1
Allar: 91.4
lil Tua: 91.2
Kim: 84.4
Altmeyer: 82.4
Sorsby: 73.2
Mordecai: 72.6
Cade: 68.8
Card: 61.6
McCord: 59 https://t.co/SQLYBUjFgm
Chances that holds are 0.0%—Indiana looks like a real-ish defense and others on this list played nobodies—but I'm honestly surprised McCord finished that low. I felt he was at least on par with [checks notes]… "Brendan Sorsby." Who is apparently Indiana's QB. Line against OSU: 8/16 for 58 yards.
Yeah, maybe check back on that one in four weeks. Kyle McCord is going to move up, but it seems like OSU's rein as the conference's undisputed quarterback-haver is likely to end this year.
Klatt sees it. Joel Klatt on OSU:
“And now I don’t know where they’re going to go from this. I would assume that they’re going to try to continue to allow Kyle McCord every opportunity to go win this job. He did not play very well. Watching that tape, there were throws to be had against Indiana that he did not make. Now they would have been difficult at times, but he didn’t make them. There were three in particular, where I’m watching the play progress and I’m thinking to myself — I’m always kind of keeping the clock in my head and I’m like, ‘Ball out!’ and he’s holding the ball and I’m like, that’s a problem. That’s a problem.
Who wants to re-legislate the end of the Hoke era? This week's edition of the Monday Morning QB on WTKA with Devin Gardner was a doozy.
In the break, Sam told Gardner about the Cade McNamara article that popped up on FOX Sports last week. The article is fascinating because it seems mostly like a McNamara puff piece based on a lot of access to McNamara and his family and then it just casually drops in stuff like this:
"And Cade, honestly, was a huge part of how cutthroat that room was," the source said. "It kind of fits with his personality of when J.J. first got there, he reached out to [McNamara], ‘Hey, can't wait to learn from you,' typical stuff that would be smart stuff to say to somebody when you're coming into that situation. And Cade ghosted him, wouldn't respond to him."
And this!
Gary McNamara wanted his son to leave Michigan after the semifinal loss to Georgia in 2021. The family never discussed the idea of McNamara declaring for the NFL Draft, where he might have been a late-round pick, but conversations about entering the transfer portal were had.
McNamara didn't leave before McCarthy beat him out but more or less as soon as he did he left the team, got surgery, and never returned.
Anyway, Gardner responds to this by saying "that's public now?" as if he has been sitting on this information for months and now finally gets to discuss it. He does this by way of relating his personal experience as Michigan's quarterback when he was yanked for Shane Morris in the infamous game that would be the beginning of the end for both Brady Hoke and Dave Brandon. I have decided to not use a ton of ALL CAPS and exclamation points:
"The team didn't know through the week that I wasn't starting. … When he trotted out on game day it was like "what? What's going on?" I got a black hat on, I'm doing signals, I'm the dummy signaler … how the mighty have fallen, right? I've thrown for many, many yards and now I'm the dummy signaler for a guy who's about to throw for 49 yards in an entire football game. …
It's a hard thing to do. I'm telling you, I was hot. I was hot, and you know me… you know how I get. I wanted to fight everybody in that building. I said "man, you brought me in this office a week ago and you told me "he just wanna party, he don't know the offense" and now you gonna tell me he gonna take my job? You are out of your mind. Not to mention, you know we can't block nobody and and you know that I'm in here trying to do everything I can to make this thing work. I was hot!
And you know what, I was like… it's all good, baby."
He would go on to decry Hoke's decision to not have captains that year.
Nice to be able to look on that with some ironic detachment these days.
Etc: This is old but I forgot to link it: Ben Herbert profiled. DUCK GANG. Will Johnson and Rod Moore both practiced yesterday, on the verge of a return. Wagners on the loose. Kirk Campbell wants you to play on Sundays.
September 6th, 2023 at 5:36 PM ^
And in the end all we could say was: "This is Hoke, fer God's sake!"
September 6th, 2023 at 5:39 PM ^
Thanks to Jim Hackett, who had strong enough character and confidence to hire Harbaugh and clean up Brandon's mess.
September 6th, 2023 at 4:51 PM ^
I'll admit I was never in favor of him becoming, and subsequently staying, Michigan's coach. The 2013 Akron and UConn games annoyed me to no end, and the Penn State game a few weeks later broke me. I yelled at my TV harder than I ever had before, or have sice. After that I could muster no emotion about a Michigan game again until 2014 Minnesota.
September 6th, 2023 at 5:13 PM ^
Honestly the cracks were there by the 2011 MSU loss when it was clear he was going to go full Neanderthal Football even if it cost us a B1G title because shotgun snaps are for commies.
30 for 30 was my breakpoint.
One thing I do miss is the women’s football academy. Turned my mom and sister into serious fans, and I got some great signed swag out of it (they were kind enough to give me a hat and a ball signed by the entire 2012 and 2013 teams).
September 7th, 2023 at 3:52 AM ^
I was at that Utah game and it was a very disheartening experience. I recall bailing during the rain delay and knowing I would not regret that decision.
September 6th, 2023 at 2:27 PM ^
We were all hot. It was so ridiculous. And if I recall correctly Gardner had a superb FU drive near the end of that game.
There was absolutely no defending Hoke at that point.
September 6th, 2023 at 2:49 PM ^
He did. I remember how pissed I was at the time as well.
September 6th, 2023 at 4:59 PM ^
Right after that Minnesota game, I recall speculating that the decision to start Morris over Gardner was not made by Hoke, but by the Athletic Director.
Not a defense of Hoke really, but things were so messed up in the Athletic Department at the time. Recall that Brandon sat down with Hoke every Sunday morning to go over the game film.
September 6th, 2023 at 2:31 PM ^
Duck gangs aren't all they're quacked up to be.
September 6th, 2023 at 2:31 PM ^
"If you have a degree from anywhere, even Michigan State..."
Should I feel badly about myself for laughing at this?
September 6th, 2023 at 2:34 PM ^
I'm not sure who is apparently snobbier about Michigan academics. Random internet guy looking down on a school 10 spots behind Michigan or our own admissions department. If you're giving grief to a guy transferring in from Stanford, your system is broken.
September 6th, 2023 at 3:05 PM ^
Then the system of every school with an admit rate below like 40% is broken because they are all the same. And it’s not even actually that ridiculous if you take the time to understand and learn it rather than just fire hot takes. You can transfer in 60 credits from washtenaw community college and enter Michigan as a junior with no issue as long as you prepared appropriately and did your homework on course equivalencies. It has nothing to do with academic snobbery which is why the “it’s Stanford” argument just shows the person making that argument has no idea what they are talking about
September 6th, 2023 at 3:30 PM ^
Care to give an explanation then rather than just say "it's nuanced?" Brian's interpretation of the rule section is that non-major credits don't transfer, which seems backwards. There's no reason to assume Stanford's "Intro to Writing" class is significantly worse than Michigan's.
I definitely understand Michigan wanting to protect the value of their degree, and that there are gen ed requirements other schools don't have that transferring students will need to complete, but equivalent non-major credits not transferring is hard to swallow.
September 6th, 2023 at 3:36 PM ^
I have no idea why that writing class didn’t transfer but Brian’s reading of that rule is wrong. If someone attends washtenaw community college and takes all classes that have been deemed equivalent (of which there is a list) they would transfer into Michigan as a junior and would be able to begin taking their major specific classes and not have to retake intro to writing, or calc 1, etc.
The whole idea that somehow this policy is bad and wrong because it shows the hubris of Michigan falls apart when you realize it’s actually much easier to transfer credits from any community college in Michigan than it is to transfer credits in from Stanford. And when you realize that you might actually take some time to understand the process and why that is and realize there actually isn’t a very easy quick fix solution and also that it’s a policy that is essentially standard at any major university who gets enough applications to reject people.
September 6th, 2023 at 4:40 PM ^
I'm an LS&A '05 grad (English). Sophomore year I dated a girl at Western and I lived In Kalamazoo for the summer. I was able to take a summer class at Western (biology) and knock out one of my required science credits. Easiest A I ever got, and it still seems crazy it transferred. That was almost 20 years ago, but it seems like the system in place is whacky if community college courses can transfer but somehow courses from a school like Stanford cannot. I'm sure it's more complicated than I realize, but come on.
September 6th, 2023 at 4:42 PM ^
The whole idea that somehow this policy is bad and wrong because it shows the hubris of Michigan falls apart when you realize it’s actually much easier to transfer credits from any community college in Michigan than it is to transfer credits in from Stanford
Not really though. Michigan community colleges and satellite campuses have curriculums that highly align with Michigan's curriculum because they're essentially Michigan feeder schools. Michigan not accepting Stanford credits because they're not exactly the same is still absurd especially since Hinton was a Bio major, where he was likely taking pretty standard classes his first few years
September 6th, 2023 at 6:02 PM ^
I hear what you are saying, but I think there has to be some middle ground. The admissions department that handles transfers should do more to make sure credits transfer for all students. The transfer policy means that basically the two courses have to have the same course name and use the same text book, very similar syllabi, etc. That is what the community colleges do. "Here Michigan is teaching freshman writing with these assignments and these books so you will do the same thing here." The community colleges know they have to keep their cirriculums aligned. You can look at Michigan's list of approved courses. They are all called some variation of Writing 101
Stanford offers a first year writing class called The Rhetoric of Animals. That is not approved. 4 credits, students should write between 7,500 and 9,000 words in total for assignments. Is that class much less academically rigourous than English 124: The Works of Edgar Allen Poe, which Michigan offers?
With a little more effort Michigan transfer admissions could say you know what, I dont care what you read or what the essays were about. The point is that you did some writing class and got that experience.
I do think they should keep the 60 credits in residence at Michigan requirement. That is reasonable.
September 7th, 2023 at 6:18 AM ^
I was just shocked it took until p.2 of the comments for you to jump in on this topic ak!
Were you napping during the Hoke-DG portion of the thread?
I thought the most telling point you've made through 2 days of defending UM for rejecting Stanford credits was that you "have no idea why" they'd reject the Intro Writing course and make Myles retake it. Because you really don't...
September 6th, 2023 at 5:11 PM ^
Agreed. When I entered EMU for my teaching certificate in 1995 after getting my BA from Michigan in 1991, EMU rejected a large enough number of my UM credits that I had to take another two semesters' worth of classes that I had already taken at Michigan before they would let me enroll in the program.
September 6th, 2023 at 5:20 PM ^
I feel like the solution is in the details?
"Additionally, departmental credit cannot be used to satisfy distribution requirements or major/minor requirements without the permission of an academic or major advisor within the school/college."
Why not just get an academic or major advisor within the school/college to...give permission?
September 6th, 2023 at 6:52 PM ^
My daughter is a sophomore at Stanford (but remains a big Michigan football fan). According to her, chemistry and biology courses are often structured very differently there because of the quarter system, and it is known to students that getting these credit transferred are not straightforward.
The multivariable calculus class she took last year is packed with linear algebra. It is a one-quarter course, and the only one that covers either linear algebra or multivariable calculus. At most schools, there is a one-semester course for each topic. I would imagine some trouble if she would like to have these credits transferred, or qualify as pre-requisites at a different school.
Since there are probably not many undergraduate transfers from Stanford, it is understandable that the admission office have hard time deciding on those courses, but a quick meeting with the undergraduate advisors in related departments, or even a faculty member who had took those courses at Stanford themselves, should solve the problem. Having all Hinton's biology credits dropped is certainly a joke.
September 6th, 2023 at 8:36 PM ^
Notthwestern is also on the quarters system. I imagine they would have the same issue then.
Is Ohio State still on quarters?
September 6th, 2023 at 8:59 PM ^
crayon quarters. ohio chews the crayons.
September 6th, 2023 at 2:35 PM ^
I saw that as well. I also saw that Devin went out of his way to say that Denard was the exact opposite — that he was Devin’s advocate even though Devin was essentially coming for his job.
I wasn’t surprised, but I was happy to hear the confirmation.
September 6th, 2023 at 8:38 PM ^
I’m glad Brian is drawing attention to Devin’s comments on Cade and Shane. I heard them and almost made a post about it in the board. I spent a good amount of time thinking about who Cade and Shane really are as people compared to who we all want them to be.
September 6th, 2023 at 2:36 PM ^
apparently the ncaa overturned the targeting suspension from the hit on McCarthy in the second half. interested to see what brian says in the UFR. I havent seen a replay of the hit. Just thought it was worth noting.
September 6th, 2023 at 3:24 PM ^
IIRC correctly, the initial contact wasn’t to the head or neck. He did launch but made contact with the chest and his helmet redirected up into JJs chin. I think this must have factored in to the ruling because it was a vicious hit to the head
September 6th, 2023 at 3:34 PM ^
That's insane. That was the most targeting that's ever targeted.
September 6th, 2023 at 3:59 PM ^
Yeah. Just because the guy failed to kill McCarthy doesn’t mean he wasn’t TRYING to kill McCarthy
September 6th, 2023 at 4:39 PM ^
"Attempted murder," what is that? Do they give Nobel Prizes for "attempted chemistry?"
-Sideshow Bob
September 6th, 2023 at 2:38 PM ^
Not accepting credits from a school like Stanford is, I believe, about revenue and nothing else. How much is an out-of-state credit hour now?
We are financially wrecking young people who want to improve themselves with secondary education; punishing them and indenturing them to jobs for decades. No society looking out for its own long term best interest does that.
September 6th, 2023 at 3:02 PM ^
removed because my furious affirmative response was probably out of place
September 6th, 2023 at 3:21 PM ^
Seriously. Forget about athletes. I remember people who worked hard to get into Michigan from Western or community colleges and none of their stuff transferred. I sort of get it because many CC classes are not as rigorous, but with the cost of tuition it is sort of criminal.
As an evolved society, we should have affordable/free college so that our communities are built up with smart people and that the children from our communities have an opportunity to go wherever they want. If you're super-wealthy and want to go out of state or to a private school that's great, but I feel for all of the millennials and gen-z folk.
September 6th, 2023 at 4:12 PM ^
It has absolutely nothing to do with the academic reputation of the school credits are transferring from.
Also who cares about the cost for out of state students. The university uses those funds to make Michigan essentially free for 90 percent of Michigan residents because the state abdicated its duty in funding the school. You have a problem with out of state tuition rates and the number of out of state kids at Michigan take it up with Michigan legislators from about 1990 to 2022
September 6th, 2023 at 2:41 PM ^
Hoke was an idiot. He was an obvious idiot. Too many people defended his idiocy for far too long. Sometimes when it walks, talks, and acts like an idiot, it really is an idiot. Nice guy, I'm sure. But a fucking idiot. Almost got a couple of players killed.
The waste of Devin Gardner's talent was one of the most f'd up things in the history of Michigan football. I could cry about it to this day.
September 6th, 2023 at 2:53 PM ^
Dave Brandon was the idiot. Brady Hoke isn't a horrible coach(as seen with SDSU), he was only meant to be a mid-major coach and nothing more. Michigan was more than what he could swallow and this turned into poor mistakes and bad decisions.
And yes, the waste of Devin Gardner's talent is very sad.
September 6th, 2023 at 8:43 PM ^
Brady Hoke can do some things well as a head coach and sometimes those things lead to mid major winning seasons. That said it sure looks to me like even at the mid major level he’s in way over his head with off field issues. Certainly at any level the DG/Shane story we heard looks terrible. While we only have Devin’s side of it, we have evidence such as no captains being named to support at least some aspects of what Devin said. It does not seem like Hoke is head coach material despite the wins and losses.
September 6th, 2023 at 6:07 PM ^
Me. I'm to blame. I was a Hoke supporter way too long. He was a nice guy, sincere in his love for Michigan, ethical (seemingly), and he recruited well. But he couldn't coach football at this level! In addition to his treatment of Devin Gardner, he put Denard under center in a pro-style offense, didn't wear a headset on the sidelines (because he "was always told what the play was"--like that's the only reason to wear a headset), he apologized to freakin' MSU for our player spiking a stake into the turf that everybody knew was just a motivational ploy and not meant to disrespect anyone. All that in addition to the whole Shane concussion fiasco and losing more games every year he was here. He made it embarrassing to be a Michigan fan. Mea culpa.
September 6th, 2023 at 8:46 PM ^
Blue Balls,
totally agree with your feelings on Hoke. I believed Brian’s “Profiles in Cronyism” but then was won over in 2011 by everything Hoke appeared to be. That facade did not last and the more that comes out the worse it looks.
September 6th, 2023 at 10:47 PM ^
He won Brian over at the end of 2011 too (one quote: "I would not want to play poker with him", and that's perfectly understandable - we were all of us deceived. I remember Brian writing about a coaching clinic Hoke put on and how he was able to command the room. It's not that Hoke was completely unskilled, but he was Peter Principled to the M00N and back.
September 6th, 2023 at 2:41 PM ^
As much as I love McCord struggling, OSU still has Devin Brown, and I doubt they’ll go 0 for 2 at producing an elite QB.
September 6th, 2023 at 3:01 PM ^
I'm sure either McCord or Brown will be good to very good by season's end, and having Marvin Harrison helps a lot. And they could be meh and still stumblefuck to 7-8 wins without even trying. But I gotta think their ceiling will be palpably lower than last year. We can and should meme on Stroud all day long but he was one of the best QBs in recent CFN history as laserimg throws to open wideouts or throwing them open and it's pretty clear that McCord isn't close to that yet
September 6th, 2023 at 3:03 PM ^
I tend to agree, but I think it's possible they won't produce a QB that is elite THIS YEAR. In fact, at some damn point, doesnt' the thing that happens to every other school ever (you recruit guys that don't quite work out immediately) have to happen to OSU?
I mean, 2012 to 2022, everybody was not just great, but great NOW.
2013 - Braxton Miller
2014 - JT Barrett
2015 - Cardale Jones (but really Barrett)
2016 - Barrett
2017 - Barrett (with Haskins jumping in in the UM game)
2018 - Haskins
2019 - Fields
2020 - Fields
2021 - Stroud
2022 - Stroud
Not all these guys are NFL stars, but man, all of them were absurdly good absurdly fast. It's time for a "down" year, like a guy being 3rd best in the big 10, not 1st.
Rob
September 6th, 2023 at 3:08 PM ^
No, it doesn't have to. Yes, it probably should.
September 6th, 2023 at 3:12 PM ^
"not all of these guys are NFL stars"
...NONE of those guys are NFL stars.
September 6th, 2023 at 3:46 PM ^
candidly, i think fields has a shot at being a solid NFL QB. his running is off the chart, but that's probably a fairly short shelf-life, too.
September 6th, 2023 at 4:37 PM ^
As the Bears accumulate actual football players on offense at positions other than running back (where their duo last year was quite good, and they're set up very well this year as well), he won't have to run as much. Most weeks last season there was exactly one actual NFL receiver on the active roster and a bunch of waiver bait. This year they have an actual number one in DJ Moore, Claypool for a whole offseason and training camp, Mooney back healthy, and all three TEs have real value. Real live NFL players in the starting lineup!
September 7th, 2023 at 6:39 AM ^
I punched my fist in the air Wednesday when the Athletic alert hit my phone that Nick Bosa had signed his contract & would suit up Sunday in Pittsburgh.
So I empathize with you feeling like you need to lobby for Justin Fields because your favorite NFL team drafted him Yinka!
I Iobbied for the Niners to draft someone other than Bosa at #2 in '19, such was my distaste for him - which would have obviously been one of the great biting off your nose moments of all time for me had they actually done that!
On the other hand, I was higher on Fields than Trey Lance tho!
September 6th, 2023 at 4:47 PM ^
These guys were so infuriatingly good, I remember their names better than our own QBs names for this entire time period.
September 6th, 2023 at 9:34 PM ^
When you wrote “Haskins jumping” I instinctively thought of our Hassan hurdling fools (not their Dwayne, RIP).
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