Unverified Voracity Is In English 101
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"Stanford? Never heard of it." Any questions about whether Michigan's transfer process is insane or not have been definitively answered. Myles Hinton:
“Right now I’m in General Studies because the credits kind of messed up. I was Human Biology at Stanford. And then, for some reason, they didn’t take a lot of the credits,” Hinton said on Monday. “All my bio credits just dropped. I don't know. It's crazy.”
A reporter replied with the question everyone in the room was thinking: Michigan really didn’t accept credits from Stanford?
“I was like, ‘What in the world?’ I took an intro writing class last semester, and I was like, ‘What’s going on? What’s going on? I took this class freshman year.’ It was crazy,” Hinton explained.
Alejandro Zuniga speculates about why that may be the case, bolding this section of the admissions rules:
Additionally, departmental credit cannot be used to satisfy distribution requirements or major/minor requirements without the permission of an academic or major advisor within the school/college.
This means if you transfer into Michigan all of your non-major classes are garbage and have to be retaken, resulting in a senior transferring in from Stanford re-taking an intro to writing class. So the score here:
- If you have a degree from anywhere, even Michigan State, you can pop on over into a grad program no problem.
- If you're a first-year transfer you can make it work because you haven't taken enough college credits to start capping out. So Michigan can bring in Ernest Hausmann without much difficulty.
- Second and especially third-year players are likely to get Terrance Shannon'd if they can't slog through the rest of their degree over the summer.
This goes beyond sports at this point and is another symptom of a sclerotic bureaucracy at Michigan that seems unassailable at this point. AAPS and Michigan are Spidermans Pointing at this point.
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Lukewarm take. My hot take on the podcast this week is that Ohio State had the fifth-best QB in the league. First week PFF grading suggests that's optimistic?!
What’s funny is he’s using each QBs overall grade and not the kept clean grades like he is with McCord who has the wrong numbers anyways
— BongoBlue2 (@Blue2Bongo) September 3, 2023
B10 kept clean grades
JJ: 94.1
Allar: 91.4
lil Tua: 91.2
Kim: 84.4
Altmeyer: 82.4
Sorsby: 73.2
Mordecai: 72.6
Cade: 68.8
Card: 61.6
McCord: 59 https://t.co/SQLYBUjFgm
Chances that holds are 0.0%—Indiana looks like a real-ish defense and others on this list played nobodies—but I'm honestly surprised McCord finished that low. I felt he was at least on par with [checks notes]… "Brendan Sorsby." Who is apparently Indiana's QB. Line against OSU: 8/16 for 58 yards.
Yeah, maybe check back on that one in four weeks. Kyle McCord is going to move up, but it seems like OSU's rein as the conference's undisputed quarterback-haver is likely to end this year.
Klatt sees it. Joel Klatt on OSU:
“And now I don’t know where they’re going to go from this. I would assume that they’re going to try to continue to allow Kyle McCord every opportunity to go win this job. He did not play very well. Watching that tape, there were throws to be had against Indiana that he did not make. Now they would have been difficult at times, but he didn’t make them. There were three in particular, where I’m watching the play progress and I’m thinking to myself — I’m always kind of keeping the clock in my head and I’m like, ‘Ball out!’ and he’s holding the ball and I’m like, that’s a problem. That’s a problem.
Who wants to re-legislate the end of the Hoke era? This week's edition of the Monday Morning QB on WTKA with Devin Gardner was a doozy.
In the break, Sam told Gardner about the Cade McNamara article that popped up on FOX Sports last week. The article is fascinating because it seems mostly like a McNamara puff piece based on a lot of access to McNamara and his family and then it just casually drops in stuff like this:
"And Cade, honestly, was a huge part of how cutthroat that room was," the source said. "It kind of fits with his personality of when J.J. first got there, he reached out to [McNamara], ‘Hey, can't wait to learn from you,' typical stuff that would be smart stuff to say to somebody when you're coming into that situation. And Cade ghosted him, wouldn't respond to him."
And this!
Gary McNamara wanted his son to leave Michigan after the semifinal loss to Georgia in 2021. The family never discussed the idea of McNamara declaring for the NFL Draft, where he might have been a late-round pick, but conversations about entering the transfer portal were had.
McNamara didn't leave before McCarthy beat him out but more or less as soon as he did he left the team, got surgery, and never returned.
Anyway, Gardner responds to this by saying "that's public now?" as if he has been sitting on this information for months and now finally gets to discuss it. He does this by way of relating his personal experience as Michigan's quarterback when he was yanked for Shane Morris in the infamous game that would be the beginning of the end for both Brady Hoke and Dave Brandon. I have decided to not use a ton of ALL CAPS and exclamation points:
"The team didn't know through the week that I wasn't starting. … When he trotted out on game day it was like "what? What's going on?" I got a black hat on, I'm doing signals, I'm the dummy signaler … how the mighty have fallen, right? I've thrown for many, many yards and now I'm the dummy signaler for a guy who's about to throw for 49 yards in an entire football game. …
It's a hard thing to do. I'm telling you, I was hot. I was hot, and you know me… you know how I get. I wanted to fight everybody in that building. I said "man, you brought me in this office a week ago and you told me "he just wanna party, he don't know the offense" and now you gonna tell me he gonna take my job? You are out of your mind. Not to mention, you know we can't block nobody and and you know that I'm in here trying to do everything I can to make this thing work. I was hot!
And you know what, I was like… it's all good, baby."
He would go on to decry Hoke's decision to not have captains that year.
Nice to be able to look on that with some ironic detachment these days.
Etc: This is old but I forgot to link it: Ben Herbert profiled. DUCK GANG. Will Johnson and Rod Moore both practiced yesterday, on the verge of a return. Wagners on the loose. Kirk Campbell wants you to play on Sundays.
September 6th, 2023 at 3:08 PM ^
I'm going to enjoy it while it lasts because I'm really enjoying the OSU fans on Twitter panicking to the point where they are:
- Claiming Indiana is actually good
- Comparing McCord's clean pocket passer rating to the normal passer rating of other QBs
- Saying McCord's performance is due to Ryan Day's conservative playcalling
- Taking credit for ending Clemson's dynasty
- Jumping on the "Allar is better than McCarthy" train because they have to stick it to Michigan somehow
September 6th, 2023 at 3:11 PM ^
Devin Brown wears #33. That bothered the hell outta me.
September 7th, 2023 at 6:42 AM ^
Apparently in tribute to Slingin Sammy Baugh - I don't know why...
September 6th, 2023 at 3:24 PM ^
I think they want McCord to win the job because he went to HS with Marvin Harrison Jr. or something like that. Churning out Ewers and McCord isn't a good look to future recruits. I'm guessing Devin Brown will be starting by mid-season and will light it up. Here's hoping he doesn't and OSU continues falling back to earth.
September 6th, 2023 at 5:26 PM ^
I mean the BPONE answer is that McCord will be pretty good but we’ll have a good gameplan. We knock him out of the game with a thunder sack, everything’s coming up Michigan. Then Brown comes in and leads a comeback and CFP win.
September 6th, 2023 at 3:25 PM ^
Obviously they'll have a good QB at some point but maybe not this season.
September 6th, 2023 at 3:34 PM ^
I think people focusing on the QB play are missing the bigger story... the shitty OL play and situational football
OSU was 2-12 for 3rd down. The got stuffed a bunch on short yardage runs. Their LT looked horrendous
They have both a coaching issue and a skill issue, especially at LT
September 6th, 2023 at 5:28 PM ^
“OSU offense is maybe not totally elite against good competition” has been a thing through the Day era.
As much as the focus has been on Michigan eviscerating their defense two years in a row, the OSU offense hasn’t gotten it done in The Game either. Two years to get Halfway to Hang a Hundred isn’t going to cut it.
September 6th, 2023 at 2:47 PM ^
Regarding credits not transferring, I just saw an article on Ernest Hausman in which he claims that about half of his credits transferred over. (not this one, but it has the same quote)
I transferred to Michigan after spending my freshman year at Kalamazoo College. If I recall correctly, all my credits transferred over, with the possible exception of an English class -- I had to take the freshman English class as a sophomore.
Michigan accepted AP credits from high school at the time (early 80s)...so not allowing credits for classes taken at Stanford or even Nebraska seems really strange. I recall seeing something in another post on this site that Stanford runs on a quarter rather than a semester system, and perhaps some classes taken by some athletes at some other institutions are not ones Michigan views as being worthy of counting towards a degree -- I guess the wisdom of Michigan's policy will remain something of a mystery in the absence of an analysis of one or more transfer transcipts.
September 6th, 2023 at 3:09 PM ^
It’s not about worthy, it’s about course equivalence. You can take the best course in the world taught by the greatest professor of all time but if it’s not equivalent to a class at Michigan required for your major it won’t count towards your major. This is because the content required for your major at Michigan was set by Michigan and what they deem necessary. It has nothing to do with the value or lack thereof of any course. Your Econ course at washtenaw community college will transfer because it’s been deemed equivalent in course material, your class on multi systemic therapy treatment for individuals with substance use disorders from Harvard may not because that class doesn’t exist at Michigan. It’s really that simple. If nobody has ever attempted to transfer that course before you won’t know if the credits will transfer until someone in the department (not admissions) does that review.
And also this is very normal and would be your experience transferring to Stanford from Michigan.
September 6th, 2023 at 3:28 PM ^
I don't think most people are arguing that what you're saying isn't true, it's more that it shouldn't be true. How equivalent do we really need to be? How could Standord's intro to writing class be that different than Michigan's?
September 6th, 2023 at 3:38 PM ^
Well take that up with the professors in each individual department doing the review and making the determination. It is ultimately up to them and I’m pretty sure the reason they reject it isn’t because they think Stanford isn’t a good enough academic institution.
September 6th, 2023 at 4:08 PM ^
And, honestly, professors establishing the curricular requirements for completing the major in their own departments is one of the last remaining bits of authority that faculty have within institutions of higher ed. If curing the issue of transfer credits requires taking away that kind of faculty determination over their departments, it should be a total non-starter. Figuring out how the major works and what is required to fulfill it actually involves a bunch of work and planning to reflect what faculty have decided students need to study. Despite everyone's suspicion, it's not elitism and it's not an attempt to draw tuition dollars. It's about the way the curriculum works department by department.
September 6th, 2023 at 5:37 PM ^
Having worked in several academic medical centers, I'm hesitant to agree it's not elitism. It might not be conscious, but I have seen a lot of people in these types of positions who literally can't comprehend that there are viable and equal alternatives to their perspective.
September 6th, 2023 at 5:30 PM ^
The reason sounds like “we’re territorial putzes with tenure”.
Why else would they reject any class that isn’t an exact duplicate of their syllabus?
September 6th, 2023 at 5:04 PM ^
Situation A: Undergraduate student-athlete from Generic State University wants to transfer to Michigan; is told a large % of their credits don't transfer because they don't meet U-M departmental standards. Student-athlete decides not to transfer to Michigan.
Situation B: Student-athlete with a degree from Generic State University applies to be a graduate student to Michigan. U-M says welcome aboard and Go Blue.
If undergraduate credits aren't deemed worthy by U-M departments for transfer, why does it make sense that somebody with a complete degree comprised largely of those credits not deemed worthy of transfer can fairly easily be accepted by U-M as a graduate student?
September 6th, 2023 at 7:54 PM ^
Welcome to the world of academia, where everything is subjective and the points don't matter.
But honestly, the reason situation B works is because, implicitly, the graduate school is evaluating the quality of those classes from Generic State U and his grades at said school. That review occurs for anyone who applies to any graduate school, and more often than not you get turned down because of it. But in this case someone on a team/AD comes over and says "take him because he's good at a sport" and that pushes him over the line. With undergraduates you have guys you have all those annoying transfer credit rules and UM seems unwilling to figure out a process for this (admittedly rare in the scheme of all undergrads) situation where a guy wants to transfer to your school with 80+ credits from another school.
September 6th, 2023 at 10:06 PM ^
Because it’s not worthy vs not worthy. It’s the criteria for which the department has decided to grant a Michigan degree. A biology degree from generic state university can be a great degree and provide you with the knowledge necessary to pursue a graduate degree at Michigan but it does not make it the same as a Michigan biology degree because the course material covered was different. And the biology department at Michigan has decided that the course material at Michigan is what is necessary to have a biology degree from Michigan. It’s not complicated, it’s not a unique policy, and it’s honestly not even that problematic.
September 6th, 2023 at 4:17 PM ^
Would 2 courses from Whatsamatter U be combined to be equivalent to one course at UM?
Hypotheitcally of course - but I wonder if this is the real issue. I know a 4 cr class at StateU may be equivalent to a 3 cr course at UM, and in that case you'll only get 3 credits.
September 6th, 2023 at 4:43 PM ^
But that's the thing, there are things that should be considered equivalent that schools will mysteriously not take as equivalent.
Years ago, I looked into transferring to U of Illinois from the highly regarded private engineering school I was attending after my freshman year. One of the reasons I didn't transfer was, among other classes, they didn't want to take my two base physics classes. I took honors physics both semesters at my school! They were absolutely at least equivalent to standard first and second semester physics at UIUC. And it's pretty clear Michigan is pulling the same kind of things these days.
September 6th, 2023 at 4:57 PM ^
Fair enough, I guess, regarding credits transferring for courses that would count towards one's major, but many people take an awful lot of courses and credits than do not count towards their major (based on the two majors I considered I would guess only about one-third of one's courses and credits typically count towards one's major).
September 6th, 2023 at 5:31 PM ^
But that’s why freshman and to some degree sophomores can transfer with relative ease - most of your first couple years are “generic” credits that can probably be mostly transferred.
September 6th, 2023 at 3:27 PM ^
The Michigan community colleges specifically work with Michigan to ensure they are taking the right classes and their credits transfer, that's why that worked out for you. Try transferring from and out of state community college and good luck!
September 6th, 2023 at 2:53 PM ^
Poor damn Devin Gardner, still angers me to this day.
September 6th, 2023 at 2:55 PM ^
Can't wait to hear the transfer credits truthers on this board's explanations for why Myles Hinton is actually wrong about Michigan not taking his transfer credits from Stanford
September 6th, 2023 at 2:57 PM ^
Hey all! I don't comment much because there are always people on here more knowledgeable than I, but I think I can shed some useful light perhaps on the transfer credit thing. I am a college-level instructor and while revenue and antiquated policies can definitely be part of the issue here, another important aspect (which I don't think I've seen posted) is departmental autonomy. My department has a really similar policy to the one that Brian included and the reason it isn't a big deal where I teach is that my school is not really a place that receives many late-college transfers (I don't believe!) or elite athletes. The reason that policy exists, at least here, is that departments want to have the authority to decide what counts toward their majors. In a case like Stanford, that authority is probably irrelevant--a Stanford class is going to be great. In some other cases, it might make a huge difference. Some of my colleagues would definitely have an issue if someone came to my institution with most of a major completed at a place that had a really messed up curriculum. It is probably also really hard for an institution like Michigan to establish a blanket campus-wide partnership even in the case of a place like Stanford. A lot of faculty would reject that--they want oversight. The result is a really dumb system, as is often the case in academia: Faculty want to, in theory, approve every credit that will subsequently count toward a degree from their department, but they want to do that only in theory. I bet the number of people who actually want to read syllabi and approve courses from transfer students is *tiny*. Especially at a place like Michigan with major research expectations and (I would imagine) a sizable number of transfers. The result is a policy that says everything needs to be approved with not much actually getting approved at all.
September 6th, 2023 at 3:13 PM ^
Thank you for sharing. I work at a major research University myself, but not in admissions. It is common for juniors and seniors to transfer in and be required to take almost all the major related courses. It's just a way to control the courses taken, and it's a way to confirm that the degree was, in fact, completed at that school. We mostly get students transferring in from community colleges to begin their major degree, but as far as UM being antiquated, that is up for debate. Most Universities only want a few or no transfer credits that are major related upon a transfer in. A cross-University study would have to be done to show how UM lies in relation to all other Universities.
For example, how would Stanford handle the situation if Miles Hinton transferred there from UM?
September 6th, 2023 at 3:16 PM ^
Oh! To clarify: I didn't mean that Michigan was necessarily antiquated, but rather that it seems in my experience that higher ed in this country doesn't exactly move quickly to adapt its policies to the times. Again, though, that could just be my experience. Sorry about the confusion there.
September 6th, 2023 at 3:26 PM ^
This is really important. Thinking michigans transfer policy is dumb is one thing. But it’s not unusual, it really has very little to do with Michigan academic arrogance. The way it gets talked about on this board by people who have no idea what they are talking about is just so frustrating and usually something Seth and Brian are better at avoiding.
September 6th, 2023 at 4:42 PM ^
I think the point about departments having control of credit is also part of it (as pointed out by another poster). Perhaps a more common example:
For AP credit Xer from HS, it's not as simple as "3 out of 5 or better = credit"
If you want the AP credit* for AP Physics 1 or 2, you need a 5 on the Exam for Xfer credit into LSA
However, for the Coll of Engin, they don't grant credit at all for those courses.
The individual colleges (perhaps even down to the dept level) are responsible to the university to show that every graduating student has successfully completed the course work required. Close enough ain't good enough, so a course that is not shown to be equivalent to a UM course will not receive credit. It's that simple. IDK if 2 courses can be combined to show that they are equivalent to one course at M.
There is a max of 60 total Xfer credits (out of 120 needed to graduate) allowed, which is very common and reasonable. This is a U-wide policy AFAIK. This is the macro-est level that is meant to say that all Michigan degrees are actually degrees earned at Michigan.
The micro-est level, I suppose, is the course-to course equivalency, so I suspect they (UM admissions/Xfer credit office at the college level) aren't going to call X courses from Stanford approx. equal to Y courses at UM. It goes down to the course level at a 1 to 1 mapping across courses, and the student needs to demonstrate that equivalency.
The real problem is, it's fairly rare for students to want to Xfer into a new school with 75-100 credits. Obvsly the circumstances are fairly sever, but normally a student might take the last X credits at the 2nd school but would work with school #1 to make sure that course work is equal and would be accepted for credit. Not the other way around, as these athletes are now doing. I doubt there are many colleges and universities that are going to give out a "BLANK STATE U College of BLANK Degree in BLANK" if most of the 3rd-4th year courses that define the degree are not, you know, actually taken at BLANK STATE U.
*Cite: https://admissions.umich.edu/apply/first-year-applicants/ap-ib-credit/ap-guidelines
September 6th, 2023 at 4:46 PM ^
Yeah, I think the transfer credit system at UM is dumb but it absolutely isn't unique. I've worked at and attended a number of schools and this general "we reject transfer credits off the cuff and you have to convince us to accept them" is pretty standard procedure. I do find it a bit surprising that an athlete like Hinton coming from Stanford didn't get a bunch of credits to count; you'd assume that would be the type of situation where the AD exerts some influence and pressure on the department. I guess it's nice to see a lack of preferential treatment in that case, though "we treat everyone poorly" probably isn't optimal.
September 6th, 2023 at 3:20 PM ^
Hoke decided to not have captains was an insane move. Glad he's gone. There's just no coming back from that.
September 6th, 2023 at 3:28 PM ^
Something to keep an eye on with OSU is that they lost Kevin Wilson from their offensive staff. Ryan Day calls the plays but I am sure Wilson had a lot of input into the game plan. Honestly I was surprised he stayed there as long as he did. Wilson has been around the game a long time and is not someone who is easily replaced.
September 6th, 2023 at 3:29 PM ^
I am sitting in the south endzone of the OSU foot game with my 9 year old son. A gracious lady sitting behind us taps my son on the shoulder and says is this your first game ever in the Big House my son grins and nods yes. She says you stand right up on that seat so you can see. After the play and the time out and the second play I kid you not my 9 year old son looks at me and says "Dad why would the coach call the same play they just tried before the whistle?" I literally clapped my hands and said don't know son. My 9 year old knew better...
DG balled his guts out that day. I went to that stadium maybe not the biggest DG fan and left as his biggest fan. He willed that team that day and was of the better players on the field with one foot! Can't think of a win I'd rather have seen for an individual player then that one!
September 6th, 2023 at 3:36 PM ^
EDIT: Nevermind
September 6th, 2023 at 3:40 PM ^
That Cade article is weird. I have no I’ll will toward Cade, but it’s such a puff piece. How does it not mention that Cade was terrible when he did play last season? Obviously he had all that frustration on his mind.
Also, no mention of how he was a bit of an ass hole on his way out - fine. I get why you wouldn’t include that, but the dude is playing a PR game.
Harbaugh played it exactly how he should have. He gave Cade a chance, hand made a decision on meritocracy.
September 6th, 2023 at 4:02 PM ^
The part that doesn't compute for me is his idea that somehow Harbaugh was beholden to stop the fight while Cade was ahead on the scorecard.
Sorry, no. The head coach's responsibility is to make decisions that give his team the greatest chance to win now and in the future, and if Harbaugh thought that JJ just needed a little more run to demonstrate that he deserved the starting spot, that's absolutely his right and responsibility to move the goalposts.
September 6th, 2023 at 3:50 PM ^
IIRC, I graduated high school with 9 credits but since I ended up majoring in English only 3 credits transferred. It was really discouraging because why did I bother taking them in the first place (and yet Michigan and other top institutions obviously want to admit students who have challenged themselves by taking AP/IB courses)? I also took a semester "off" during the fall of my junior year and took two courses at a local community college but only a portion of those credits transferred because credits beyond 50 or 60 (can't remember which) must be taken at U of M. Despite coming in nearly a semester ahead, I ended up graduating behind schedule (a number of other factors were at play as well, including what I now realize were mental health problems) but this was pretty frustrating. This university policy did not help me as a student whatsoever and it cost me time and money.
It would be cool if U of M recognized the bureaucratic bullshit surrounding a college education these days and made an effort to do away with it. U of M should be a pioneer in helping students and making a college education more affordable.
September 6th, 2023 at 4:23 PM ^
Everyone is a genius with through the retrospectoscope.
Now, we know that the Hoke hire wasn't great. Yet, at the time he was hired, the football program was an absolute Rich Rod disaster, Hoke had had success as a mid-major head coach, loved and wanted to come to Michigan, and had a history here of being an excellent DL coach and an ace recruiter.
At the time, it made a certain amount of sense, especially not knowing if a high profile coach with a history of great success at this level might have been interested in walking into the mess that RR left.
September 6th, 2023 at 5:40 PM ^
It wasn’t just hindsight:
September 6th, 2023 at 4:26 PM ^
regrettably, McGregor informed the media that the ducks are no longer with us as of this week
September 6th, 2023 at 4:47 PM ^
This is my informed guess on the transfer policy. Institutions like Michigan rely on distribution courses to make the financial numbers work on undergraduate instruction. Basically they are relatively cheap to offer (large courses and/or non-tenure-line instructors) and you charge virtually the same tuition (some places charge an upper year add-on but it's usually not large due to the optics of that).
If you let people transfer in credits, it's not just a question of community college transfers-in, which you can limit on the admissions side. A lot of true-freshman students come to places like Michigan with a bunch of dual-enrollment credit from HS. If /those/ credit transfers are allowed to satisfy distribution requirements, you lose potentially a whole year's worth of tuition that way.
If they start letting football players transfer in those credits, they have to do it for everyone.
Again, informed guess only.
September 6th, 2023 at 4:54 PM ^
The Hoke experience was terrible but it was really created by having a horrible UM President who then chose possibly the worst possible AD in Dave F$%^#&* Brandon.
I am still thankful for the MGOBLOG community in outing Brandon's emails and marching with pitchforks to demand his resignation.
September 6th, 2023 at 5:02 PM ^
Similar things have been said below, but what a strange journey Devin Gardner's career at Michigan was. His 2013 Ohio State game would be legendary if the 2-point conversion had been successful and, in my mind, still should be regardless of the final score. His Notre Dame performance that year was also incredible. Even in 2014 he put in a very strong performance in Columbus despite being banged up most of the year. While his time in A2 was uneven he remains one of my favorites to don the maize and blue.
September 6th, 2023 at 5:36 PM ^
On the academic stuff.....
There is a huge debate over at UMHoops on this Hinton stuff because....well, duh! (Love, Shannon, Kante, Eastern, etc.) While it is frustrating and clearly an issue, let me add some context to Brian's venting.
For starters....HINTON MADE IT THROUGH THE PROCESS! We want it to work for guys like Hinton and it did work. He's upset he has to take some basic classes, but it worked! He has had a similar experience to Chaundee Brown, who made it past the transfer police as an upper classman. Unfortunately, when you transfer almost anywhere, you're going to lose credits and classes. Even Shannon, who found a way to get into Illinois, had to change majors and still hasn't graduated - likely meaning that he too had to retake classes.
The problem really comes down to individual majors/departments having to individually match classes to their program, then having to decide how many credits you're required to take AT MICHIGAN in order to get a degree from that university, and then whether or not there are special favors given to unique circumstances.
Michigan is harder than most, but not unique. I think there are really three things we're concerned about:
1. How do we speed up the process so the coaches know their options/pathways early enough to make the right decision? (The Caleb Love situation)
2. Are we willing to create a special "catch-all" degree for transfers that is less tied to a specific major, thus allowing more credits to transfer but your degree is in "gen ed" or something?
3. Are we willing to make transfer exceptions and bend rules for unique talents that aren't really coming to Michigan to "play skool?
Right now Michigan seems slow (#1), has to match degree programs to the previous school (#2), and doesn't really make exceptions for transfers - only HS and Grads (#3). Hinton's program at Stanford didn't have a direct match at Michigan, hence why he lost credits.
September 6th, 2023 at 5:52 PM ^
Not fun fact—Shane Morris and Drake Harris combined for exactly zero touchdowns at Michigan.
September 6th, 2023 at 6:20 PM ^
The list of PFF grades leaves off Gavin Wimsatt. He should be between Kim and Altmyer, bumping McCord down to, let's see, 5, no wait, 6 spots below Rutgers.
September 6th, 2023 at 6:27 PM ^
From the Ben Herbert article Brian linked. David Ojabo re Ben Herbert:
“And also, he will quietly murder you. I don’t wanna question him. He’s built like he could fight bears. You don’t question Herb. That’s a fact.”
Ha!
September 6th, 2023 at 7:11 PM ^
It's nice to have some distance from the Hoke days. It's amazing how far the program has come since those days.
The program is certainly not perfect, and the road had plenty of bumps, but the progress is remarkable.
September 6th, 2023 at 9:03 PM ^
one thing hoke does not get enough credit for, is that he left the cupboard fairly full. not perfect, but also not a roster devoid of talent like most coaches who get kicked to the curb.
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