Searchbits II: Less Depressing!
Previously: oh noser.
THEY'RE AT LEAST KICKING THE TIRES
An insider who's been on point in the past asserts that Michigan is checking on Jay Wright, Gregg Marshall, and… Billy Donovan, amongst others. Wright and Marshall are likely to be nonstarters for reasons discussed below. Vetting Donovan is a better spot than the last couple days' weird "but Al Horford" roadblock.
Another name climbing up the At Least It's Not Porter Moser board: Ed Cooley, who drew mentions from both Sam and Brian Snow. Cooley would be a B- hire but he's relatively young and a good recruiter.
OKAY THAT'S FINE
Jeff Goodman:
Two names I am told that are unlikely to leave their current spots even if Michigan were to pursue, sources told @Stadium: Notre Dame’s Mike Brey and Florida’s Mike White.
— Jeff Goodman (@GoodmanHoops) May 15, 2019
You're probably thinking "the Chris Collins guy?" Yes, the Chris Collins guy. He's still a reporter who talks to people and can be relied upon to repeat what they say publicly.
Neither Brey or White moves the needle for me so whatever.
[After THE JUMP: UCLA's search provides a window into Michigan's]
IT'S HARD TO GET A GUY
This article on UCLA's shambolic search is a sobering look at trying to acquire heavy-hitters in good situations, or even moderate hitters in comfortable ones. I've bolded relevant names:
Rebholz told the donors in the message viewed by The Times that the search committee started with a list of more than 60 candidates that included some of the biggest names in coaching: Calipari, Stevens, Tom Izzo, Jay Wright, Billy Donovan, Mark Few and Tony Bennett.
Enlisting Bob Myers, UCLA alumnus and Golden State Warriors general manager, to make calls on the school’s behalf made no difference; only Calipari, Rebholz wrote, showed any interest among the home-run candidates and allowed UCLA officials, including athletic director Dan Guerrero, to meet with him. …
The Bruins’ list of candidates was further winnowed, Rebholz wrote, when other coaches such as Washington’s Mike Hopkins, Purdue’s Matt Painter and Iowa State’s Steve Prohm declined to be interviewed “regardless of our ability to pay more than we ever have, a commitment to charter as a team, and increase to assistant salary pool, etc. Very disheartening to not even have a chance with ‘Tier II’ guys.” …
“We would have loved for Jay Wright to walk out on the floor, but even when we offered to double his salary, he still wasn’t coming."
Michigan has a lot more recent success than UCLA, which has turned into an athletic department full of revolving door fiascoes in its revenue sports, but if people aren't even picking up the phone for UCLA the chances they do for Michigan aren't great.
Two names of particular relevance referenced above are Donovan and Prohm. Maybe UCLA's Donovan approach came before it was clear he would be entering a lame-duck year with zero job security; maybe the overall clown college tenor of the UCLA AD put him off. This article is written off a text from UCLA associate AD John Rebholz to big-time UCLA donors and obviously contains a lot of CYA. It still bodes unwell for Michigan's chances with two of the three guys I put above the Yak line.
The more I see stuff about Prohm the more bummed I am that he doesn't appear to be on the list. You want Beilein 2.0?
Coach Prohm gets his taken with Michael Jacobson’s grandparents in Sioux City today. #CycloneFamily pic.twitter.com/sVPDO8yTSn
— Iowa State Men’s Basketball (@CycloneMBB) May 14, 2019
That's maybe as close as you're gonna get. Seems like a guy who knows some things about basketball as well.
WAIT WHAT
John Beilein's buyout is what?
Following his talks with the Pistons, Beilein and Michigan agreed to a contract extension that would have kept him in Ann Arbor through the 2022-23 season. He was set to make $3.8 million annually through the length of his deal, which ranked No. 10 nationally this past season among men's college basketball coaches.
According to the contract details, if Beilein opted to leave Michigan anytime before April 15, 2023, he was required to provide "reasonable advance written notice of the termination of his employment." He won't be required to pay a buyout.
ZERO DOLLARS? Warde Manuel signed his coach to a contract extension with a 500k raise and an automatic rollover after Beilein flirted with the NBA and got a zero dollar buyout?
Let's go back to that UCLA article and their unsuccessful pursuit of Jamie Dixon:
Dixon deeply wanted to coach the Bruins, according to multiple people familiar with his thinking, and didn’t believe his roughly $9-million buyout at Texas Christian was going to be a hindrance. Why should it be? Pittsburgh had lowered a $10-million buyout to an undisclosed sum, allowing him to take the job at TCU, his alma mater. …
The search committee received assurances from Dixon’s representatives that his buyout could be negotiated to a much smaller sum, but as the days passed it became clear that TCU wasn’t going to budge. The Horned Frogs had all the leverage and felt no need to surrender their highly coveted coach at a discount.
A significant buyout may have put off the Cavs. An insignificant one would still provide some money with which to go after someone else's buyout. Buyouts are standard practice. It is completely reasonable for Michigan to ask for one. It is astoundingly bad that Beilein didn't have one.
YET MORE VAGUE POSSIBILITIES TO DISCUSS
Gregg Marshall, Wichita State. Marshall has had a ton of success, and is still in Wichita. Marshall is a notorious screamer who got ejected from an exhibition game in Canada and refused to leave:
Video: Here's the McGill broadcast of Gregg Marshall's ejection in Canada this evening. pic.twitter.com/slaWKrBMys
— Chase Shannon (@chase_shannon) August 10, 2016
His wife had a similar incident a couple years ago in a game against Kentucky.
It's telling that the UCLA article, which namechecks just about any plausible top-end candidate, does not mention a guy who had seven straight years in the tourney with an MVC/AAC team and has a Final Four, Sweet Sixteen, and separate one-seed to his name. It does mention this:
Rebholz also described the school’s vetting of other candidates through the NCAA and an unnamed firm based in Atlanta. He said those efforts resulted in a list of coaches considered “untouchable” because of major NCAA violations, “infidelity, very low character, etc.”
Rebholz went on to name eight prominent coaches, “many of whom wanted our job, but we couldn’t hire knowing what we know due to properly vetting them out.”
Marshall almost has to be in that group. Whatever's kept him in Wichita is going to continue keeping him in Wichita.
I never knew the Naismith trophy was so goofy
Rick Barnes, Tennessee. Barnes was all set to leave for UCLA until his buyout—cumong Warde—became an issue. Barnes is 64 and that is well past the age range I'd normally consider viable, but, I mean… look around you. Barnes has significantly repaired his image with a four-year run at UT that's seen them go from 103rd in Kenpom to 57th, 13th, and 10th.
Prior to that he'd been at Texas forever, consistently gathering bids and frustrating fans with an inability to turn regular season success into post-season glory. He had one Final Four, in 2003, and a couple of Elite Eights but hadn't been past the second round since 2008 by the time Texas cut him loose in 2015.
Barnes is apparently willing to leave but extremely expensive. Adding consecutive top 15 Kenpom seasons to his existing resume at a different school is a clear indicator he can still get after it, but for how much longer? The downside risk is that Barnes runs out of gas.
I would neither love it or hate it if Michigan ended up with Barnes. So far there's been zero indicator either side is interested.
Jamie Dixon, TCU. Dixon has a resume eerily similar to Barnes's: a hot start with a ton of regular season success, tourney frustrations, a drop off that still usually garners bids, and then a move at which he's done well. And then UCLA almost hired him.
In Dixon's case his high point was higher: from 2004 to 2011, Dixon had 5 teams rank in the top 12 on Kenpom. The success at the new stop has been more difficult to come by. He managed a six seed last year but got bounced in the first round; incredibly his first year with the Horned Frogs saw his team ranked 29th in Kenpom while finishing 6-12 in the B12. It's rough out there for mid-tier Big Twelve teams.
Dixon's at his alma mater and that made me think he'd be a tough pull. The UCLA flirtation suggests otherwise. The buyout is obviously a big hurdle. If you're going to spend that much money, Donovan should be in play. Dixon is 53, FWIW.
EMOTIONAL DEVASTATION LEVEL
7.9, Moser retreat and some indication they're looking at Donovan.
I have a feeling that Warde will pick Ed Cooley. I worked with Warde when he was at UConn and he was impressed by the job he was doing in his 2nd or 3rd year at Providence. The team had improved dramatically.
cooley's offensive track record is uh... not great. could be product of situation, but seems like a recruiting and defense guy
JB was a bad defensive coach. Learned to be a better defensive coach by hiring Yak. Perhaps Ed could hire an offensive coordinator.
yes, but in terms of all options to explore... cooley is in double digits in terms of pecking order
Is he really in double digits tho?
Easier said than done. It's extremely rare for a coach to 1) accept that his way isn't cutting it and be willing to delegate and 2) nail a hire the way Beilein did with Yak. Yak is not just any defensive coordinator. That's why this isn't a more common thing.
If it was as simple as Ed Cooley hiring an offensive coordinator, he'd probably have done it by now.
I mean Cooley is at Providence. Do they really have the cache/finances to go out and get themselves a notable offensive assistant, even if they wanted to?
Just seems like something along those lines would be significantly easier to do at a school like Michigan who has the big name recognition, the recent success, and the money.
Ed Cooley's offensive philosophy is borderline atrocious. He runs a flex offense that does not exactly have ideal spacing for the modern game. Providence’s offense hasn’t ranked in the top 90 in offensive efficiency the past four seasons and has been over 100 in AdjO three of those four years. Probably why he is 1-5 in the tourney, has never finished a season in the top 25, and is 71-73 in conference play over an 8 year span in the Big East.
Boy would he be a riveting hire.
Hey maybe don’t rip off comments from UMHoops, or at least credit them?
https://forum.umhoops.com/t/michigan-basketball-coaching-hot-board-volume-1/5312/147
https://forum.umhoops.com/t/michigan-basketball-coaching-hot-board-volume-1/5312/170
Turning around Providence to be a mid-pack team in new Big East is not the same as staying atop in Big Ten. Cooley probably make us Maryland at the best.
Here are Cooley's Kenpom ranks this decade:
Overall Offense Defense
2010 118 110 144
2011 104 257 19
2012 126 57 238
2013 69 76 78
2014 48 30 94
2015 27 42 42
2016 44 92 28
2017 60 101 40
2018 63 100 36
2019 79 164 41
For reference UM's Kenpom ranks this year wee 24th on offense and 2nd of defense. And btw, Cooley has signed 6 top 50 prospects since 2012 at Providence, so he has talent in a bad conference and he still has these mediocre results.
This guy ain't it people. I wonder if Warde even knows what Kenpom is.
For some context, Providence was 79th overall in KenPom's ratings last season. That's five spots above Illinois, and below everyone else in the conference, including rugter. The highest ranked Big East team was Villanova, at 30th. That would rank 7th in the Big Ten. So the best conference team Providence faced in 2019 was far below the level that Cooley would have to prepare for week in and week out in the Big Ten.
No way Beilein gave a 60 day notice, so he surely still has something north of $1,000,000 buyout
All he has to do is to keep the title of UM Head Coach for another 40 days to fulfill that...
Should fix it so he doesn't promote the theme that 1201 has been perpetuating. Complain about something where you use completely incorrect facts to argue it
"Incorrect facts" is the most oxymoron term I think I've ever heard.
I thought I remember reading 5 million somewhere (searching for link)
Regarding Brian’s loss of words for the $0 buyout, my speculation is that negotiating point (with Beilein as his own agent) may be one of the things that led Ward to say (paraphrasing) “I knew he was taking the next NBA job he was offered.”
Would it be wrong of me to send a $20 Jordan Poole shout-out to Jay Wright?
If you have his contact info, I have some better ideas about how to use it.
Not much less depressing. I'm still in the camp the coach is going to be a poop smudge but I hope to be wrong.
Hence the .03 drop in depression at the end of the piece.
Donovan's situation has changed with the first round playoff loss. I don't really care about the buy out, Warde was probably doing whatever he could to keep Beilein happy and its not a huge deal to the school.
Its clear as conversations have come out that Beilein was looking to get out of the college game since last year, tagging a massive buyout to him probably wasn't something he was open to.
Agreed. He had a contract and if he figured he wanted to leave, it's pretty easy math to see if the buyout is more than the increase in salary. If so, just keep your old contract. Seems like he had the high ground in that negotiation.
more the reason warde should have prepared and most likely did prepare a 'in case of emergency break glass and call' list of candidates.
I have no knowledge of what Warde's list looks like, but it probably is a lot different now that the search is happening in May, after the annual coaching carousel has already taken place.
Impossible to reply to all the lame comments on this topic, but, what evidence is there Warde is not working off that list?
zero
zip
nada
I mean evidence, any fact, not a circle jerk of internet speculation by equally uninformed folks.
This is not his first rodeo. The only safe assumption is that he knows what he is doing and is working off of his list.
Anything else is an uninformed guess.
Yeah, the outrage over the buyout seems silly to me. As noted in the same section, most schools drop it down anyway because at that point you're just being petty for it's own sake, and by all accounts it sounds like the AD isn't happy Beilein is leaving but there isn't any animus. And so why put something like that in a contract when it's just going to cause a fight. Plus, as has been repeated here CONSTANTLY, Michigan has more money than it knows what to do with. An extra couple million won't matter to anyone when it comes to getting the best coach they can.
If Michigan gets a mediocre coach it'll be because of timing, not because they couldn't/wouldn't cut a check.
iirc, JB had to pay his buyout from WVa. so i think he would laugh if warde tried to give him a buyout clause.
Totally agree. Beilein is the man who brought us two natty championship games, and a lot of fun. He’s old, nearing the end and wanted out, who gives a fuck what he has to or does not have to pay to the U. He’s already given us more that whatever the buyout would have been.
He wanted out of college b-ball, mourn his loss sure, but let him go without embarrassing yourself
Exactly this, no doubt last year Beilein was talking with the Pistons and said to Warde, "I'll stay for the right extension, but I'm still looking and......yeah, about that buyout you proposed....no. I can leave today."
And if Beilein had agreed to a buyout, a motivated NBA team could write that check without a second thought. I'm not sure why folks continue to get hung up on this issue. Doesn't matter.
Isn't that part of the reason? Wouldn't we want that check?
Precisely. Plus, a buyout makes more sense for a guy coming into a program. JB had over ten years in at Michigan, it wasn’t as if he was going to do a flyby. No reason for him to ever have agreed to a buyout.
Where was he gonna go? Was Beilein gonna quit if he didnt get a buyout? Then you give him a substantially bigger raise along with a sizable buyout. It's at least leverage in the coaching search.
I disagree. You sign a coach to an extension and give him a raise to keep him happy. You write-in a buyout to protect your investment. If Belein’s overall plan was to eventually leave and coach high school basketball then we could let the buyout slide. Not making an NBA team pay a couple of million (which is nothing to them) to steal your coach is asinine.
Totally shocked the astute minds of the mgoblog message board fail to realize this. Which goes back to my earlier question on if Warde did everything in his power to keep him. I doubt it.
Exactly. No one who was going to successfully hire Beilein away from Michigan was going to balk at paying a reasonable buyout. Better for Michigan to have that money now than for an NBA team to keep it. Plus, there's always a chance it would have deterred Cleveland or another team from hiring Beilein in the first place.
seems to be conflicting words on marshall. some say agents paid van fleet (without coach knowledge) his senior year but above hints that its a sure thing marshall did something.
horford getting paid (and potentially more) does make me hesitate
I don't think Marshall is viewed as toxic around the NCAA. I would take him in a heartbeat, and I'm glad to hear he's at least being considered.
Charles Koch is what keeps Gregg Marshall at Wichita. Top-15 salary, 10,000-seat arena, and as much bag money as needed to compete in so-so conference.
Nice write up. I agree with you on wanting Donovan the most, Ace.
Is it...Ace?! Or is this a joke I don't quite get...
Negs but no explanation. Some of you are fucking creeps.
Based on how pissed Beilein was about WV buyout when he came to Michigan, I doubt that Warde any option to make Beilein sign one of any significance.
This^^
Yep. And Michigan made Beilein pay his own buyout to WVU when he came here, so the AD can't have it both ways.
LOL at the justification for Warde's bad business practices.
Fans gonna fan though.
And who exactly are you to talk?
LOL at the guy who was calling for Beilein to be fired not that long ago. Maizen's gotta Maizen.
https://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/fire-john-beilein
You poor thing.
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