Searchbits II: Less Depressing! Comment Count

Brian May 15th, 2019 at 2:36 PM

Previously: oh noser.

THEY'RE AT LEAST KICKING THE TIRES

An insider who's been on point in the past asserts that Michigan is checking on Jay Wright, Gregg Marshall, and… Billy Donovan, amongst others. Wright and Marshall are likely to be nonstarters for reasons discussed below. Vetting Donovan is a better spot than the last couple days' weird "but Al Horford" roadblock. 

Another name climbing up the At Least It's Not Porter Moser board: Ed Cooley, who drew mentions from both Sam and Brian Snow. Cooley would be a B- hire but he's relatively young and a good recruiter.

OKAY THAT'S FINE

Jeff Goodman:

You're probably thinking "the Chris Collins guy?"  Yes, the Chris Collins guy. He's still a reporter who talks to people and can be relied upon to repeat what they say publicly.

Neither Brey or White moves the needle for me so whatever.

[After THE JUMP: UCLA's search provides a window into Michigan's]

IT'S HARD TO GET A GUY

This article on UCLA's shambolic search is a sobering look at trying to acquire heavy-hitters in good situations, or even moderate hitters in comfortable ones. I've bolded relevant names:

Rebholz told the donors in the message viewed by The Times that the search committee started with a list of more than 60 candidates that included some of the biggest names in coaching: Calipari, Stevens, Tom Izzo, Jay Wright, Billy Donovan, Mark Few and Tony Bennett.

Enlisting Bob Myers, UCLA alumnus and Golden State Warriors general manager, to make calls on the school’s behalf made no difference; only Calipari, Rebholz wrote, showed any interest among the home-run candidates and allowed UCLA officials, including athletic director Dan Guerrero, to meet with him. …

The Bruins’ list of candidates was further winnowed, Rebholz wrote, when other coaches such as Washington’s Mike Hopkins, Purdue’s Matt Painter and Iowa State’s Steve Prohm declined to be interviewed “regardless of our ability to pay more than we ever have, a commitment to charter as a team, and increase to assistant salary pool, etc. Very disheartening to not even have a chance with ‘Tier II’ guys.” …

“We would have loved for Jay Wright to walk out on the floor, but even when we offered to double his salary, he still wasn’t coming."

Michigan has a lot more recent success than UCLA, which has turned into an athletic department full of revolving door fiascoes in its revenue sports, but if people aren't even picking up the phone for UCLA the chances they do for Michigan aren't great.

Two names of particular relevance referenced above are Donovan and Prohm. Maybe UCLA's Donovan approach came before it was clear he would be entering a lame-duck year with zero job security; maybe the overall clown college tenor of the UCLA AD put him off. This article is written off a text from UCLA associate AD John Rebholz to big-time UCLA donors and obviously contains a lot of CYA. It still bodes unwell for Michigan's chances with two of the three guys I put above the Yak line.

The more I see stuff about Prohm the more bummed I am that he doesn't appear to be on the list. You want Beilein 2.0?

That's maybe as close as you're gonna get. Seems like a guy who knows some things about basketball as well.

WAIT WHAT

John Beilein's buyout is what?

Following his talks with the Pistons, Beilein and Michigan agreed to a contract extension that would have kept him in Ann Arbor through the 2022-23 season. He was set to make $3.8 million annually through the length of his deal, which ranked No. 10 nationally this past season among men's college basketball coaches.

According to the contract details, if Beilein opted to leave Michigan anytime before April 15, 2023, he was required to provide "reasonable advance written notice of the termination of his employment." He won't be required to pay a buyout.

ZERO DOLLARS? Warde Manuel signed his coach to a contract extension with a 500k raise and an automatic rollover after Beilein flirted with the NBA and got a zero dollar buyout?

Let's go back to that UCLA article and their unsuccessful pursuit of Jamie Dixon:

Dixon deeply wanted to coach the Bruins, according to multiple people familiar with his thinking, and didn’t believe his roughly $9-million buyout at Texas Christian was going to be a hindrance. Why should it be? Pittsburgh had lowered a $10-million buyout to an undisclosed sum, allowing him to take the job at TCU, his alma mater. …

The search committee received assurances from Dixon’s representatives that his buyout could be negotiated to a much smaller sum, but as the days passed it became clear that TCU wasn’t going to budge. The Horned Frogs had all the leverage and felt no need to surrender their highly coveted coach at a discount.

A significant buyout may have put off the Cavs. An insignificant one would still provide some money with which to go after someone else's buyout. Buyouts are standard practice. It is completely reasonable for Michigan to ask for one. It is astoundingly bad that Beilein didn't have one.

YET MORE VAGUE POSSIBILITIES TO DISCUSS

Gregg Marshall, Wichita State. Marshall has had a ton of success, and is still in Wichita. Marshall is a notorious screamer who got ejected from an exhibition game in Canada and refused to leave:

His wife had a similar incident a couple years ago in a game against Kentucky.

It's telling that the UCLA article, which namechecks just about any plausible top-end candidate, does not mention a guy who had seven straight years in the tourney with an MVC/AAC team and has a Final Four, Sweet Sixteen, and separate one-seed to his name. It does mention this:

Rebholz also described the school’s vetting of other candidates through the NCAA and an unnamed firm based in Atlanta. He said those efforts resulted in a list of coaches considered “untouchable” because of major NCAA violations, “infidelity, very low character, etc.”

Rebholz went on to name eight prominent coaches, “many of whom wanted our job, but we couldn’t hire knowing what we know due to properly vetting them out.”

Marshall almost has to be in that group. Whatever's kept him in Wichita is going to continue keeping him in Wichita.

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I never knew the Naismith trophy was so goofy

Rick Barnes, Tennessee. Barnes was all set to leave for UCLA until his buyout—cumong Warde—became an issue. Barnes is 64 and that is well past the age range I'd normally consider viable, but, I mean… look around you. Barnes has significantly repaired his image with a four-year run at UT that's seen them go from 103rd in Kenpom to 57th, 13th, and 10th.

Prior to that he'd been at Texas forever, consistently gathering bids and frustrating fans with an inability to turn regular season success into post-season glory. He had one Final Four, in 2003, and a couple of Elite Eights but hadn't been past the second round since 2008 by the time Texas cut him loose in 2015.

Barnes is apparently willing to leave but extremely expensive. Adding consecutive top 15 Kenpom seasons to his existing resume at a different school is a clear indicator he can still get after it, but for how much longer? The downside risk is that Barnes runs out of gas.

I would neither love it or hate it if Michigan ended up with Barnes. So far there's been zero indicator either side is interested.

Jamie Dixon, TCU. Dixon has a resume eerily similar to Barnes's: a hot start with a ton of regular season success, tourney frustrations, a drop off that still usually garners bids, and then a move at which he's done well. And then UCLA almost hired him. 

In Dixon's case his high point was higher: from 2004 to 2011, Dixon had 5 teams rank in the top 12 on Kenpom. The success at the new stop has been more difficult to come by. He managed a six seed last year but got bounced in the first round; incredibly his first year with the Horned Frogs saw his team ranked 29th in Kenpom while finishing 6-12 in the B12. It's rough out there for mid-tier Big Twelve teams.

Dixon's at his alma mater and that made me think he'd be a tough pull. The UCLA flirtation suggests otherwise. The buyout is obviously a big hurdle. If you're going to spend that much money, Donovan should be in play. Dixon is 53, FWIW.

EMOTIONAL DEVASTATION LEVEL

7.9, Moser retreat and some indication they're looking at Donovan.

Comments

Don

May 15th, 2019 at 4:07 PM ^

There is nothing in this post that's "less depressing."

Marshall would seem on paper to be an obvious target, but anger issues seem prevalent in that family. 

JR3410

May 15th, 2019 at 4:12 PM ^

Crazy that we have an assistant coach as good as Luke Yaklich already here yet we are talking about the difficulty UCLA had hiring a coach, buy outs, and possible candidates (Barnes & Dixon) that have a proven track record of being terrible in the ncaa tournament.  I know it is very early in the process and we are only speculating here, but this is a lot more complicated than it needs to be.  Shoot for a home run hire and if that doesnt work hire the guy who will bring elite defense year in and year out.  Is there a program out there that plays great defense yet doesn't win a lot of games?  

maizedNblued

May 15th, 2019 at 5:20 PM ^

Through a trusted person in hoops circles - told me it’s Billy Donovan, Brad Stevens and then Ed Cooley - the last being because WM is tight with him from his east coast days.

Steve in PA

May 15th, 2019 at 5:21 PM ^

Dixon and Barnes.  2 of the biggest chokers in college basketball.  #557 and #558 of 559 coaches analyzed for tournament wins vs expectation.  Jay Wright helped himself winning a championship and moved up to #98.  I can't believe we are getting excited about Dixon or Barnes along with many of the other names.

Beilein was #9.

The list is at the bottom of the article.

BornInAA

May 15th, 2019 at 5:43 PM ^

Classic coaching scenario:

Successful coach "has done all he can" at current position, knows next 3-4 years will be subpar due to attrition and weak bench. -> jumps to a higher position.

Next candidates don't want to walk into a bare cupboard, pass on job. They don't want to be compared to last coach. You get an interim Brady Hoke instead.

3-5 years of mediocrity, fire lame coach, finally get a good coach that will "rebuild" program.

 

BOTTOM LINE

Great new coaches want to rebuild - not carry on, so we will get a lame duck coach for the foreseeable future.

 

Sten Carlson

May 15th, 2019 at 8:40 PM ^

It helps a lot when said "good coach" is either currently unemployed and/or wants to leave his current position.  Going after coaches who are already employed at positions they don't want to leave is futile, hence the vetting process of the search firm.    The AD can want to hire a coach as much as he wants but if that coach doesn't want to be hired it isn't going to happen. 

M-Dog

May 15th, 2019 at 6:08 PM ^

                                            Hi.

                                            I'm back.

                                            Where were we?

Sten Carlson

May 15th, 2019 at 8:25 PM ^

Where were we?

Let's see.  A large portion of the posters in here seem be reacting to every Twitter post and radio host comment like a bunch of a bunch of unhinged, emo twits.  Not that I should be surprised after nearly a decade of MGBlog-ship, but fer fok sake it's clear that nothing and nobody will ever make the posters in here happy.  It's been what? ... few hours north of 72 hours since the news broke and many in here are convinced that the entire process is already an abject failure because ... what exactly?  Oh wait, I remember, because something they know FUCK ALL about isn't going exactly they way THEY want it to, so they're threatening to jump and/or demanding that Warde be fired if he doesn't do X or does do Y.

Shut the fuck up and let the process play out!

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

May 15th, 2019 at 11:30 PM ^

Not sure I really get the resistance to Brey.  His teams are formidable more often than not.  This was his second losing season at Notre Dame since he was hired in the year 2000.  And by all accounts his success comes entirely without the bag; he knows what he's doing as a coach and he has no choice because there are always three coaches mentioned above all others as the cleanest of the clean: John Beilein, Tony Bennett, and Mike Brey.  He's good.  If Warde pried him loose from the Domers I'd call it a brilliant hire.

Bill22

May 16th, 2019 at 12:39 AM ^

Over Ed Cooley I would take either the Providence College men’s basketball coach from the early 90’s (Rick Barnes), the Providence College Head Coach of the late 80’s (Rick Pitino) or his star player from the ‘87 Final Four team (Billy Donovan).  Why is PC so involved in this coaching search?  I’m sure Ernie D. or Marvin Barnes are available too.  

Can we please just hire a solid college coach like Matt Painter?  Is he really that in love with Purdue?

uminks

May 16th, 2019 at 2:36 AM ^

Gregg Marshall from Wichita State would be a good fit at Michigan.  I got to meet him 5 years ago at a charity wine event in Wichita. He was a really nice guy and came up to me since I was wearing a Michigan tie. Said he really liked following Michigan and thought John was doing a great job as coach. I was surprised he came up to me and I did not even notice him before he approached me. I did not get the anger vibe at all.

Roanman

May 16th, 2019 at 7:19 AM ^

Actually, it's pretty easy to see how it is that Beilein had such a week buy-out provision in his contract extension. He refused to give it up.

Think it through. This was an extension, given for purposes of retaining an established guy who was demonstrably in big demand as opposed to a new guy coming in hungry for the upgrade. Then there's the fact that Beilein was/is a grown up man who had spent his entire life moving up through a raft of jobs and as a result of that, knew what he was doing. Warde said, "Buyout language", and Beilein said, "I don't think so Warde, I'm good with the contract I have." If Manual walks away right there with nothing, he knows he's toast. Having zero leverage in the negotiation, he made the deal he could make.

Had Warde been willing/able to move Beilein up into the top 3 with an offer of something approaching Harbaugh money, then he would have also been able to purchase a buyout. But he didn't/couldn't ... we will likely never know the politics on that one, although I'm certain that conversation happened between someone that matters when it comes to pulling the trigger on a basketball deal.

The fact that the other kids have it is immaterial here. Their deals were made under dissimilar circumstances. Warde got the deal Beilein was prepared to give ... no more, no less.

 

 

MileHighWolverine

May 16th, 2019 at 1:26 PM ^

And the minute that happened he should have been working on finding the next HC of Michigan .... because no buyout pretty obviously means the guys is NOT committed long term and is looking to make a move. Lets see how this plays out and we'll know whether he started that search right then and there or was caught completely off guard by this....I'm guessing the latter.

Raider2402

May 16th, 2019 at 8:32 AM ^

Cooley would be a D- minus hire. it would be a move towards mediocrity. if they are unable to grab a donovan, stevens, marshall or top tier name they are better off making a move within. it would  at least help this recruiting class stay.

BlueHills

May 16th, 2019 at 7:35 PM ^

This is an odd thing. Do our opinions on the relative merits of coaches have any chance of affecting the outcome? Probably not. So all this huffing and puffing is only to psych up for bitterness or joy In advance of actual events.

Despite my knowledge of these facts, I still choose to ignore reality, and have a preferred candidate. Proving once again that fandom is pretty crazy stuff.