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All The Reasons This Basketball Team Is Pretty Bad Comment Count

Brian January 20th, 2023 at 12:05 PM

I am ready to call it: the tourney streak is over. Michigan is currently the 25th team out on Torvik, currently estimated to have an 0.1% chance of receiving an at-large bid. They've got about an 8% chance to sneak in by winning the Big Ten tournament, largely because the league is very very bad this year.

This is quite a fall for a team that is coming off four consecutive Sweet 16s and was a one seed two years ago. How did we get here? Let's assess.

The Number One Recruiting Class In The Country was fool's gold. Michigan's heralded recruiting class of 2021 has one player in a meaningful role: Kobe Bufkin.

The two five-stars were essentially busts as college players. Caleb Houstan was a mediocre, streaky, defensively-meh wing who contributed nothing when his shot wasn't falling—which it almost never was outside of Crisler. Moussa Diabate was less frustrating but was a 20% usage guy who had middling efficiency. He had a lot of promise as a defender, but offset that promise with a lot of freshman mistakes. Both guys left to be second-round picks and are currently buried on NBA benches, so Michigan ended up playing a couple of middling players for heavy minutes—Houstan especially was inexplicably un-benchable—and those growing pains are benefiting this team in no way whatsoever. You can argue that having Houstan and Diabate around last year is worse for this year's team because other players would have more on-court experience.

Meanwhile, Frankie Collins transferred away from a near-certain starting job after Michigan added Jalen Llewellyn in the transfer portal. Collins is not exactly good at Arizona State. He's shooting 40% from two and his TO rate is over 20. But he's improved his shooting, adding 20 points to his FT% and hitting 33% of his threes; he's also got a massive assist rate that's 24th nationally. He's ASU's highest-usage player; his ORTG of 100 is bad… but it's 10 points higher than Dug McDaniel.

The other two players, Isaiah Barnes and Will Tschetter, were always long-term projects. In year two it appears neither is ready to take on a significant role. They're both averaging 4 minutes a game. This in and of itself isn't a big problem except for the fact that the aforementioned three players are not here.

If there's a lesson to be learned here it's that certain five stars aren't worth it. You have a guy headed for the lottery? Ok, get him. One-and-done second rounders are not worth bothering with. Also, try to avoid players who have not spent more than one consecutive year anywhere since middle school. 

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Bufkin is good, and it's probably not a coincidence he's in the recruiting sweet spot that hits around #50. He was the #46 composite prospect, which is out of the range that the NBA is going to take you even if you're not any good yet because there are only so many people with NBA-capable bodies in the world. It is in the range where you can expect to at least get the "hey, NBA, check it out" year from a player.

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Admissions shot down Terrance Shannon. There have been rumors about how hard it is to get non-grad transfers into Michigan for years but never a case where a player has more or less explicitly been denied. Shannon is the exception. If Michigan's transfer process was not idiotically onerous he would be on campus:

Shannon is an efficient, high-usage wing for Illinois instead, shooting 54/34/77 from the floor with a massive FT rate. He's also a 6-6 wing stopper the likes of which this team badly needs. Illinois is just 4-4 in league play but is about 30 spots higher than Michigan in Kenpom and is projected as a 9-seed on Torvik.

Not letting in a potential paradigm-shifting basketball player because his credits won't transfer is the kind of Queensbury rules thing only Michigan would do to itself. Let's hope this sort of thing doesn't happen under Santa Ono anymore.

Hunter Dickinson isn't Hunter Dickinson this year. These numbers have come up a bit but there's still a stark dropoff from last year's Dickinson in tough games versus this year's. Last year Dickinson's numbers were impressively flat when the going got tough. His ORTG was 120 in all games, 120 against Kenpom top 100 opponents, and 120 against Kenpom top 50 opponents. This year he's at 115 against everyone and his ORTG drops ten points in tougher games. His assist rate is down, his FT% is down, and in key games his performance has not been up to par. In Michigan losses Dickinson has posted ORTGs of 84, 106, 94, 81, 98 (against CMU!), 100, and 108 before a 144 yesterday against Maryland. Given the narrow nature of almost all of those losses—only Arizona State was more than six points in regulation—it's probably not an exaggeration to say that the metronomically efficient sophomore Dickinson pilots Michigan to four or five more wins this season.

I don't get it. To me, Dickinson is not fighting for good post position and getting the ball way outside the paint too often, where he then settles for jumpers. Per Synergy he's lost almost 0.2 PPP on post-ups this year, dropping from a 94th percentile player to a 70th percentile player, and that's with tomato cans occupying a larger portion of the schedule 18 games in instead of 32.

But also this bullet point leads into another…

They've either been unlucky or not clutch. Michigan ranks 308th in Kenpom's luck stat. The aforementioned Arizona State looks to be coasting to a tourney bid at 15-4 but its ranked exactly one spot in front of Michigan on Kenpom; they are 17th. Michigan is 2-8 in games that are six points or closer at the end of regulation. They lost to Virginia by 2, Kentucky by 4, UNC by 4, CMU by 2, and managed to turn a 4 point lead with the shot clock off into OT against Iowa. There is an alternate universe in which Michigan is a pretty mediocre team that is nonetheless safely in.

Llewellyn tore his ACL. Llewellyn was off the a horrible shooting start but you have to figure that would have leveled out somewhere considerably more reasonable than 19% from three, and the last two transfer point guards Michigan has brought in have all improved significantly over the course of the season. It's reasonable to assume his presence would improve Michigan somewhat, and "somewhat" is all it would take. See previous bullet.

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The five things prior to the line of demarcation are about 95% of the problem. There are a few smaller issues.

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Terrance Williams hasn't stepped up. I remember frothing at the mouth during the Tennessee game last year that Williams was stuck on the bench while mope mode Houstan was giving Michigan nothing. Williams finally got in down the stretch and immediately got two crucial putback buckets. That dawg in him, etc.

Williams has about the same level of usage this year as a starter and has backslid in every shooting category. He got benched for 19 minutes against Northwestern after a couple of back-to-back hustle plays he did not make. He's just a guy.

Most of the 3/4 defenders are hideously bad. I did not expect Jett Howard to be prime Charles Matthews but he's come in under even modest expectations defensively. Joey Baker is hitting 46% from three and can't get starters minutes because he's a walking blow-by. Williams has been okay, mostly; when he's not giving Michigan much they turn to Will Tschetter, who is not a plus player on D at this point in his career. Michigan pulled out Tarris Reed to check Kris Murray for big chunks of the Iowa game and while that went surprisingly well it says something about something.

Nobody from the deep bench is a pleasant surprise. It was possible that Barnes, Tschetter, Jace, or Khayat would pop up and be an interesting 15 MPG bench guy. Doesn't look like that's happening.

Reed's free throw shooting is abominable. Reed looks like a player but Michigan had to take him off the floor for key stretches of the Iowa game because he's currently a 23% free throw shooter(!!!). You expect high TOs and iffy FT shooting from a freshman big, but this is another level.

Dug McDaniel is a yet another first year point. For the love of God, please stay on campus. This is the fourth straight year Michigan has had a new-to-the-program point guard after the Simpson era ended, and I hate it. I just want someone to run the Michigan offense like he knows what he's doing.

Comments

jmblue

January 20th, 2023 at 12:21 PM ^

It's actually five Sweet 16s in a row (2017-18-19-21-22), tied with Gonzaga for the longest active streak nationally.

Llewellyn's injury really hurt.  Even if he had never improved his shooting (which is unlikely), just having another ballhandler to sub in when McDaniel is having a tough time would really help.  Having our starting SG be our backup PG is not optimal.

ST3

January 20th, 2023 at 2:06 PM ^

Not having Shannon, Frankie or Llewellyn changed this from a reloading season to a rebuilding season. With the limited scholarships available, it is that much more important not to miss. 
I have a sense the folks calling for Howard to be fired are going to feel as foolish in a couple years as the folks calling for Harbaugh to be fired in 2020 feel now. One season does not a trend make.

HollywoodHokeHogan

January 20th, 2023 at 3:12 PM ^

I mean they would be reloading for a maybe second weekend tourney run; last season was mostly a huge disappointment other than the last few weeks.  That team last year was supposed to compete for a conference title.  Running that back as the ceiling for the next team isn’t ideal.  But you’re right that it’s still just one or two seasons, and only one of them looks to be truly bad.

theytookourjobs

January 20th, 2023 at 12:23 PM ^

Agree with all of this, but there is one glaring omission.  Juwan has been bad as well.  The rotations have been brutal, and this team is often disinterested and lazy.  The lack of motivation and leadership on this team is a huge problem right now

gmoney41

January 20th, 2023 at 12:32 PM ^

With all of juwans experience as a player and nba assistant, I figured he’d be good at the X’s and O’s, but I’m not seeing it.  I’d love it if Beilein was still coach.  Juwans been a disappointment.  The Houstan stuff last year, when he was getting mad minutes and was not good says everything. Him and Diabate needed to come back and I’m still shocked that Houstan was a 5 star, no athleticism and wonky shot, guy never impressed me. 

Gustavo Fring

January 20th, 2023 at 1:13 PM ^

X’s and O’s Aren’t the problem (not what you’re describing).  It’s one thing to suggest Juwan struggles with talent evaluation (a lot of really good coaches in the NBA do btw, that’s why they gave GM’s), but Michigan’s sets are varied and effective.  The problem is the young players (particularly Dug but this applies to Kobe and Jett too) are still learning how to read and react in different scenarios.  And there’s no substitute for experience there.

Beilein described his offense this way.  The sets themselves were not too complex, it was the options and the ability to read and make decisions, both on and off ball that made the difference.  It’s why even with players as talented s Derrick Walton, Zak Irvin, Mo Wagner, and DJ Wilson, it took time for that team to really jell and click.  

Hail_Yes

January 20th, 2023 at 1:54 PM ^

If you carefully watch their sets, the roll guy or backside option is open on most plays.  Juwan is excellent at scheming guys open, but basketball open is much different than football open, your window lasts a second max before its gone.  If you put one of our past 6 point guards on this team and they would be hitting those options with much more frequency, Dug just isn't there in the awareness/decision-making category yet.

MGlobules

January 20th, 2023 at 2:54 PM ^

Yeah, we're like the 120th youngest team in the country. Someone posted a list of starters and class for the top five B1G teams at umhoops the other day. Exact descending order of seniority for the one through five teams. We're at the bottom of the league. 

Brian's sorta right about this stuff, but he's not a bball analyst. He's a guy opining about the team. 

Newton Gimmick

January 20th, 2023 at 12:39 PM ^

Consistency has been a huge problem the past two years.  I know college basketball results can be all over the map, but it's crazy how good they can look against Pitt then how bad they can look a night later vs ASU, or vice versa for the CMU/Maryland (pt 1) sequence later this season.  I would not be totally shocked if they lost to Minnesota at home, then beat Purdue. 

TrueBlue2003

January 20th, 2023 at 2:08 PM ^

Yep, came here to add this.  Juwan was supposed to be a defensive guy but they are not a well coached team defensively.  They don't play hard, they don't seem to know where to be or how to rotate.  They don't box out.

And it's the second year in a row now.  Don't let last years super lucky game against Tennessee (which shot only 2/18 from three) fool you about how bad last years team was.  They were 17-14 and barely squeaked into the tourney.  They kept the S16 streak alive but that wasn't a good team.

Last years team was 74th in kenpom defense, this year is at 86th.  That's atrocious. It's early Beilien level bad (pre-D coordinator).

I argued last year that Juwan probably got a two year Wile E Coyote period with all the veterans on the 2020-21 team (Livers, Brooks, Smith, Brown, Davis, etc).  Yes, he deserved credit for getting Smith and Brown as transfers but that's a tough thing to count on each year.

You need to develop players and that hasn't happened under Juwan.

snarling wolverine

January 20th, 2023 at 2:14 PM ^

And it’s the second year in a row now.

This is a very different team than last year though.  It’s not like we brought most of the team back and didn’t get better.  Dickinson is our only returning starter.  What’s more, one of the projected new starters (Collins) transferred and his replacement (Llewellyn) got hurt.

I think most of our issues the last years have just been due to youth and inexperience.  We need more roster stability than we’ve had.  To lose three of last year’s four non-project freshmen was tough.  Hopefully we’ll have more of our core back next year.

snarling wolverine

January 20th, 2023 at 3:05 PM ^

This isn’t all by design.  I don’t think Juwan expected all of Houstan, Diabate and Collins to be gone now.  I also don’t think we’ll have as much attrition after this year, although I expect Jett to go.

Beilein’s teams weren’t necessarily that experienced.  Many years we’d hardly have anyone to honor on senior night.  We lost a lot of guys to transfers or the NBA in his tenure.

TrueBlue2003

January 20th, 2023 at 7:57 PM ^

He had to expect Houstan and Diabate to leave.  That's what happens when you get top 20 guys.  And there's nothing really wrong with that if you reload on top 20 guys every year like Duke or Kentucky but we didn't replace them with five stars, we replaced them with projects.  And that's also fine, it just means it'll take a couple years...if you develop them.

Frankie leaving was unfortunate and more of a surprise (even though he had a history fill of red flags).

TrueBlue2003

January 20th, 2023 at 7:38 PM ^

I agree that last years team was far more disappointing relative to talent level more than this years team.  And last years team wasn't that young.  We started two fifth year guards.

But you're right, this years team isn't a great roster.  But also the experienced guys are not getting better.  In fact, they're getting worse.  Dickinson and Williams have both regressed as upperclassmen.

And it's largely an effort and focus issue for the team.  The offenses have been good.  Juwan is a good offensive Xs and Os coach.  It's funny because he's coaching very much like Beilein before Beilein figured out he needed a "defensive coordinator".  He has good complex offenses and bad defenses.

maquih

January 22nd, 2023 at 11:06 AM ^

These xs and os takes seem really suspect to me.  Howard was a better defensive player than offensive player, and he's been nothing but praised for all aspects of coaching as NBA assistant.  

I'm certain Howard has a brilliant tactical basketball mind, but when you have such a weird roster it's hard to outcoach the other team.  He's got a 5'8 point guard he needs to cover for defensively, and nobody else who's a plus defender.  Your veterans Williams and Dickinson are having their worst seasons since they were recruited.  Your three point shooters aren't reliable.  What the hell are you supposed to do with that, whether you're Red Aurebach reincarnated or not?

TrueBlue2003

January 20th, 2023 at 7:45 PM ^

Point was, he didn't coach Smith or Brown for the majority of their careers so in that sense he's riding off the coaching of others like you are when you have a Wile E Coyote period.

And yes, like I said, he deserves credit for identifying and attracting Brown and Smith to the program but he didn't develop them.  We've seen little evidence he can develop players or teach guys to play defense.  His two upperclass starters have gotten worse from last year to this year (Hunter and Twill).

His arc isn't unlike that of Mel Tuckers so far.  Really good second year thanks to some holdovers from the previous regime and some hits in the portal but then a disappointing crash back to earth when the transfers don't work out and the veterans aren't getting better.

We have little evidence that he can develop his own players, and some pointing to the opposite given what Hunter and Twill have done this year.  I hope it's just a fluke that they've regressed.

trueblueintexas

January 21st, 2023 at 12:26 PM ^

Juwan’s coaching staff took point guards from Columbia and Coastal Carolina and turned them into functional B1G point guards in one year. If that’s not developing people, I don’t know what is.

This team has a freshman point guard, developing sophomore two guard (who has played really well for the past 13 games) and a freshman wing. They simply do not have enough experience on the outside to take the defense away from Hunter. How many times did Hunter get triple teamed the past two years? Not many when you had Eli Brooks, Mike Smith, D. Jones, Livers, Wagner, Diabate on the court. This year, he has at least a double team on almost every post possession. That is why he is taking more jumpers.

The  couple things I’m severely disappointed in:

- boxing out is a horrendous problem. Nothing more to say about that. 
- Jett’s lack of hustle. I’ve seen Juwan addressing this more as the season has progressed because I believe it was becoming a real issue within the team. 

echoWhiskey

January 20th, 2023 at 2:32 PM ^

Hard disagree that Juwan is more culpable than any of the issues stated in the original post.  We have two playable guards (our backup PG is our starting SG, fergodsakes).  If you want to complain about roster construction, fine, but he obviously didn't know Frankie was going to transfer and injuries can't be planned for in advance.

4th phase

January 20th, 2023 at 12:29 PM ^

I think the first part is a little overly pessimistic, Houstan was a guy supposedly headed for the lottery when he was being recruited. He didn't pan out, but thinking Houstan and Moussa were both one and done 2nd rounders is hindsight. So I'm not sure how you learn the lesson that you don't want one and done 2nd rounders, when there's basically no way to know that a year and a half out from draft declarations.

When Moussa committed, I think there was some buzz about Hunter trying to go pro. Moussa and Hunter playing together led to spacing issues.

That class was exactly what I think a class should be, instant impact guys (Caleb/Moussa), mid term guys (Frankie/Kobe), and long term projects (Isaiah/Will). Beilein had similar issues with guys leaving early. I don't think the conclusion should be, don't recruit the best available guys because they may leave. You need a mix.

 

I also am not sure we've ever determined cause and effect with Frankie/Llewellyn. Frankie could have already decided to leave before that transfer.

 

I thought the Shannon thing also involved Texas Tech not cooperating. Yes Illinois was able to get him to transfer in, but Michigan at least had a path figured out to get around any transfer barriers.

gmoney41

January 20th, 2023 at 12:34 PM ^

Instant impact guys that provided no instant impact. How the recruiting sites had that guy as a 5 star still baffles me.  He looked like a borderline 4 star from day 1.  Diabate couldn’t even catch a pass towards the end of the season. Usually the time freshmen really come into their own, he regressed

Blue In NC

January 20th, 2023 at 1:28 PM ^

Diabate was never supposed to be an instant impact guy.  Those expecting instant impact just probably saw "5 star" and never read the scouting report.  He was a very lengthy, switchable defender with very good quickness and was just starting to develop a limited offensive game.  With a very high upside but a long way to go.  And frankly that's mostly what he showed in year one.  His defense on the block was not quite as strong as I expected but his offensive skills were a bit beyond what I expected.

Houstan's profile OTOH was nearly the opposite.  Not a great athlete but a guy with good passing skills and a deadeye shooter with a beautiful stroke that could really space the floor.  We got exactly the freshman version of that, minus the deadeye shooter.  Which was a huge hit because that was the purported outstanding aspect of his game.  So he looked very mediocre.

Collins was covered and was always going to be a guy that required some seasoning.

swn

January 20th, 2023 at 1:06 PM ^

Agree on the 1 and done 2nd rounders. That's not an easy thing to predict even if Michigan has seemed to struggle with losing guys to late first round or second round for years.

Maybe if this is a year later with NIL matured a bit, at least Moussa comes back. Although he was an awkward fit with Dickinson anyway.

njvictor

January 20th, 2023 at 1:07 PM ^

I also am not sure we've ever determined cause and effect with Frankie/Llewellyn. Frankie could have already decided to leave before that transfer.

I think this has been discussed on here before but I believe that Frankie and his camp were irritated by a handful of things that eventually caused him to transfer. They were initially irritate by Frankie's playing time, which is odd given he was a true freshman and his playing time increased as the season progressed, then Juwan recruiting and taking Dug McDaniel's commitment also pissed them off. This is also odd as Juwan is obviously not going to have a singular PG on the roster. Then the nail in the coffin was bringing in Llewellyn

mwolverine1

January 20th, 2023 at 1:24 PM ^

Shannon had two paths to getting to Michigan:

  • Michigan accepts him as is, transferring enough credits to keep him eligible.
  • Shannon graduating from Texas Tech to come as a grad transfer

Michigan refused the first. Texas Tech refused to pay for him to keep taking classes to graduate after he entered the portal. He could have paid his own way to graduate, but Illinois offered him an easier path.

colonel

January 20th, 2023 at 1:44 PM ^

There seems to have been an obvious solution involving the second option that maybe Michigan refused, though I am not sure. Anyway, how hard would it have been for a Michigan booster to write Shannon a nice check to cover his tuition and expenses as he finished up at Texas Tech? Maybe that was on the table and he declined?

Regardless, Michigan's transfer rules getting in the way really stings, but it seems an NIL solution could have been had too. I have no idea though. One way or the other Michigan shot itself in the foot with this kid. 

ak47

January 20th, 2023 at 2:06 PM ^

I just don't buy that was the only issue. No school in the country is allowing a person to transfer all but one semester's worth of credits to their school. If Illinois did that Shannon would have graduated after the fall semester and would have had to enroll in a graduate program to be eligible this semester which there isn't any reporting on. Of course its possible or even likely that Illinois let Shannon transfer more credits than Michigan did, but he is repeating a year of school credit wise this year.

mwolverine1

January 20th, 2023 at 2:18 PM ^

As a 4th year player, Shannon needed 72 credits to stay eligible (NCAA guidelines say you must be on track to graduate within 5 years of initial enrollment). However, Michigan would only let him transfer 60 credits at the most. He'd need to make up at minimum 12 credits.

I'm unsure how many Illinois would let him transfer, but I do not believe they have the 60 credit limit. 

But yes, he is now likely 2 years from graduating instead of less than 1.

colonel

January 20th, 2023 at 2:55 PM ^

So he would have needed to enroll at Michigan over the summer and then take an intensive course load to make the 72-credit threshold, and then still be further from graduating than he was at Tech? Would Illinois have put him closer the 72-credit threshold and so he went there?

maquih

January 22nd, 2023 at 11:12 AM ^

I mean, what if Shannon really wasn't able to handle the Michigan academic workload?  Yes, o know the athletes get a ton of academics support and don't have to be academic all stars to be recruited as an athlete but there has to be some minimum bar to consider ourselves a great academic institution and apparently Shannon didn't meet that.  If you just want to root for the best basketball players in the state of Michigan go watch the Pistons.  I'm interested in watching the best students who play basketball at the University of Michigan.

Ihatebux

January 20th, 2023 at 2:15 PM ^

I think you mistook his point.  I think he meant to ONLY take 5-stars if they are sure can't miss one and done players that will for sure contribute to your team.   Taking iffy 5-star players that will probably still be one and done is a bad plan.   Houstan and Moussa were both mostly unproven projects that looked like NBA players...if you really squinted.   Heck Houstan wasn't even a starter on his HS team.  

Sambojangles

January 20th, 2023 at 3:54 PM ^

Here's a theory: Teenage PGs are bad. Every one, from Morris through Simpson, got significantly better around their 20th birthday or came in as the grad transfers of the last few years. You need to set up the program in a way that they can sit and get only a few minutes in a freshman year while learning and getting better. Then live with some growing pains for the non-conference portion of sophomore year before they transform into a killer from that year on. 

It's a rough outline, but I can't think of many exceptions or outliers.

Qmatic

January 20th, 2023 at 12:32 PM ^

The late game offense worries me for the future. They just looked so damn stagnant and unorganized. Almost a shot clock violation down 6 with 2 minutes left and the ball never broke the 3 pt line. 

Beilein had 2 down years (09-10 and 14-15). The former was a disappointment because we did have two studs in Harris and Sims, but the latter I want to focus on.

That team was gutted losing its top 4 players from the year prior but they still looked so damn crisp. Most of the losses were a result of just in the end not having the horses but we’d have lineups of Dakich, freshman 2* MAAR, Irvin, Freshman 3* Dawkins and Doyle/Donnal look far more efficient and cohesive than our final lineup today that had a 4* PG, near 5* Jett, high 4* Bufkin, and seasoned Williams and Hunter.

Qmatic

January 20th, 2023 at 12:59 PM ^

Also popped an OSU team with the #2 pick at home.

This year's team has players. Especially in Jett and Bufkin. Hunter has been a major disappointment and T-Will was expected to do way more than what his abilities entail. Dug is doing okay for what he's being asked for. It is more a concern that Juwan hasn't had a PG last longer than one year with him (DDJ left after his first year with Juwan, Zeb, and Frankie).

Brooks was the last holdover that did so much to help this team last year. His experience and knowledge covered a lot up. I do think if you swap Houstan for Jett last year we could have been a final 4 team.

PBR

January 20th, 2023 at 1:33 PM ^

So are you saying you would rather watch this team than those coached by JB? I think that would place you in a small minority of fans. JB’s teams were definitely “crisper” than what we are seeing now - or I’d say in longer form that those teams were better coached, gave greater effort, were more disciplined, were better defensively (as the years progressed), and much better organized offensively.