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All The Reasons This Basketball Team Is Pretty Bad Comment Count

Brian January 20th, 2023 at 12:05 PM

I am ready to call it: the tourney streak is over. Michigan is currently the 25th team out on Torvik, currently estimated to have an 0.1% chance of receiving an at-large bid. They've got about an 8% chance to sneak in by winning the Big Ten tournament, largely because the league is very very bad this year.

This is quite a fall for a team that is coming off four consecutive Sweet 16s and was a one seed two years ago. How did we get here? Let's assess.

The Number One Recruiting Class In The Country was fool's gold. Michigan's heralded recruiting class of 2021 has one player in a meaningful role: Kobe Bufkin.

The two five-stars were essentially busts as college players. Caleb Houstan was a mediocre, streaky, defensively-meh wing who contributed nothing when his shot wasn't falling—which it almost never was outside of Crisler. Moussa Diabate was less frustrating but was a 20% usage guy who had middling efficiency. He had a lot of promise as a defender, but offset that promise with a lot of freshman mistakes. Both guys left to be second-round picks and are currently buried on NBA benches, so Michigan ended up playing a couple of middling players for heavy minutes—Houstan especially was inexplicably un-benchable—and those growing pains are benefiting this team in no way whatsoever. You can argue that having Houstan and Diabate around last year is worse for this year's team because other players would have more on-court experience.

Meanwhile, Frankie Collins transferred away from a near-certain starting job after Michigan added Jalen Llewellyn in the transfer portal. Collins is not exactly good at Arizona State. He's shooting 40% from two and his TO rate is over 20. But he's improved his shooting, adding 20 points to his FT% and hitting 33% of his threes; he's also got a massive assist rate that's 24th nationally. He's ASU's highest-usage player; his ORTG of 100 is bad… but it's 10 points higher than Dug McDaniel.

The other two players, Isaiah Barnes and Will Tschetter, were always long-term projects. In year two it appears neither is ready to take on a significant role. They're both averaging 4 minutes a game. This in and of itself isn't a big problem except for the fact that the aforementioned three players are not here.

If there's a lesson to be learned here it's that certain five stars aren't worth it. You have a guy headed for the lottery? Ok, get him. One-and-done second rounders are not worth bothering with. Also, try to avoid players who have not spent more than one consecutive year anywhere since middle school. 

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Bufkin is good, and it's probably not a coincidence he's in the recruiting sweet spot that hits around #50. He was the #46 composite prospect, which is out of the range that the NBA is going to take you even if you're not any good yet because there are only so many people with NBA-capable bodies in the world. It is in the range where you can expect to at least get the "hey, NBA, check it out" year from a player.

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Admissions shot down Terrance Shannon. There have been rumors about how hard it is to get non-grad transfers into Michigan for years but never a case where a player has more or less explicitly been denied. Shannon is the exception. If Michigan's transfer process was not idiotically onerous he would be on campus:

Shannon is an efficient, high-usage wing for Illinois instead, shooting 54/34/77 from the floor with a massive FT rate. He's also a 6-6 wing stopper the likes of which this team badly needs. Illinois is just 4-4 in league play but is about 30 spots higher than Michigan in Kenpom and is projected as a 9-seed on Torvik.

Not letting in a potential paradigm-shifting basketball player because his credits won't transfer is the kind of Queensbury rules thing only Michigan would do to itself. Let's hope this sort of thing doesn't happen under Santa Ono anymore.

Hunter Dickinson isn't Hunter Dickinson this year. These numbers have come up a bit but there's still a stark dropoff from last year's Dickinson in tough games versus this year's. Last year Dickinson's numbers were impressively flat when the going got tough. His ORTG was 120 in all games, 120 against Kenpom top 100 opponents, and 120 against Kenpom top 50 opponents. This year he's at 115 against everyone and his ORTG drops ten points in tougher games. His assist rate is down, his FT% is down, and in key games his performance has not been up to par. In Michigan losses Dickinson has posted ORTGs of 84, 106, 94, 81, 98 (against CMU!), 100, and 108 before a 144 yesterday against Maryland. Given the narrow nature of almost all of those losses—only Arizona State was more than six points in regulation—it's probably not an exaggeration to say that the metronomically efficient sophomore Dickinson pilots Michigan to four or five more wins this season.

I don't get it. To me, Dickinson is not fighting for good post position and getting the ball way outside the paint too often, where he then settles for jumpers. Per Synergy he's lost almost 0.2 PPP on post-ups this year, dropping from a 94th percentile player to a 70th percentile player, and that's with tomato cans occupying a larger portion of the schedule 18 games in instead of 32.

But also this bullet point leads into another…

They've either been unlucky or not clutch. Michigan ranks 308th in Kenpom's luck stat. The aforementioned Arizona State looks to be coasting to a tourney bid at 15-4 but its ranked exactly one spot in front of Michigan on Kenpom; they are 17th. Michigan is 2-8 in games that are six points or closer at the end of regulation. They lost to Virginia by 2, Kentucky by 4, UNC by 4, CMU by 2, and managed to turn a 4 point lead with the shot clock off into OT against Iowa. There is an alternate universe in which Michigan is a pretty mediocre team that is nonetheless safely in.

Llewellyn tore his ACL. Llewellyn was off the a horrible shooting start but you have to figure that would have leveled out somewhere considerably more reasonable than 19% from three, and the last two transfer point guards Michigan has brought in have all improved significantly over the course of the season. It's reasonable to assume his presence would improve Michigan somewhat, and "somewhat" is all it would take. See previous bullet.

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The five things prior to the line of demarcation are about 95% of the problem. There are a few smaller issues.

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Terrance Williams hasn't stepped up. I remember frothing at the mouth during the Tennessee game last year that Williams was stuck on the bench while mope mode Houstan was giving Michigan nothing. Williams finally got in down the stretch and immediately got two crucial putback buckets. That dawg in him, etc.

Williams has about the same level of usage this year as a starter and has backslid in every shooting category. He got benched for 19 minutes against Northwestern after a couple of back-to-back hustle plays he did not make. He's just a guy.

Most of the 3/4 defenders are hideously bad. I did not expect Jett Howard to be prime Charles Matthews but he's come in under even modest expectations defensively. Joey Baker is hitting 46% from three and can't get starters minutes because he's a walking blow-by. Williams has been okay, mostly; when he's not giving Michigan much they turn to Will Tschetter, who is not a plus player on D at this point in his career. Michigan pulled out Tarris Reed to check Kris Murray for big chunks of the Iowa game and while that went surprisingly well it says something about something.

Nobody from the deep bench is a pleasant surprise. It was possible that Barnes, Tschetter, Jace, or Khayat would pop up and be an interesting 15 MPG bench guy. Doesn't look like that's happening.

Reed's free throw shooting is abominable. Reed looks like a player but Michigan had to take him off the floor for key stretches of the Iowa game because he's currently a 23% free throw shooter(!!!). You expect high TOs and iffy FT shooting from a freshman big, but this is another level.

Dug McDaniel is a yet another first year point. For the love of God, please stay on campus. This is the fourth straight year Michigan has had a new-to-the-program point guard after the Simpson era ended, and I hate it. I just want someone to run the Michigan offense like he knows what he's doing.

Comments

Kevin14

January 20th, 2023 at 1:52 PM ^

Guys who Juwan has developed:

- Franz

- Livers 

- Chaundee Brown

- Eli

- Kobe

- Smith / Jones throughout the season

Dickinson hasn't improved this year, but has made huge improvements since he got to campus and outperformed his recruiting ranking.  Could argue Simpson had his best year under Juwan.

Gustavo Fring

January 20th, 2023 at 1:17 PM ^

If last year was a down year, 15-16 was definitely a down year too.  Michigan snuck into the play in game and lost in the round of 64.  
Strongly disagree that the 14-15 team looked “crisp”.  They lost to NJIT (even with a healthy Caris LeVert).  Walton and Irvin were both top 50 recruits, Donnal was a highly rated recruit, Chatman was a touted recruit…all of the same criticisms apply.  
And I’m pretty sure Dakich never closed a game, certainly not on purpose lol

Kevin14

January 20th, 2023 at 1:57 PM ^

The 2015 team lost 9 of its last 13 games and was worse than some Amaker teams I remember.  That team looked looked the opposite of crisp! Terrible on offense and defense. Get out of here with that crap. 

Sure that team had much less talent than this one but roster construction is the job of the coach and Beilein did a terrible job.  He learned from the experience with the early departures and turned the program back around in short order.  

Tbh, I think Juwan could probably do the same thing going forward.  

Gustavo Fring

January 20th, 2023 at 7:29 PM ^

I mean he didn't do a terrible job!  That's the thing.  Chatman was a bust (that shot against Indiana notwithstanding) but Walton, Irvin and Wilson ended up being really good players!  Just weren't ready and with that much turnover it put them in a tough spot.

Can you come back from that and mold these players? Beilein did.  It's still to be seen if Juwan can.  But yes to your point, that 2015-2016 team was not a great or even a good team.  

Gustavo Fring

January 20th, 2023 at 7:21 PM ^

Yup and for all the talk about "why is T-Will playing over Tschetter/others", Moritz Wagner was parked on the bench all year behind Donnal even after an amazing game against Charlotte until the NCAA tournament...where he looked like Michigan's best player.  And we all know what Wagner went onto become.

This is not to rip Beilein.  Just to say there were plenty of similarities between that trough in his Michigan tenure and right now.  

Tom in AnnArbor

January 20th, 2023 at 12:34 PM ^

We cannot have nice basketball things.  

It was very frustrating watching last night and a bunch of other games this year.  The entire team has trouble with fundamentals.  I just don't see where players are being developed from game to game, or even season to season. 

I would say that Howard is heading for the hot seat but since the UM AD hasn't even spoken to  Harbaugh in months, I have doubts that Warde is even paying attention.  

Wolverine In Exile

January 20th, 2023 at 12:39 PM ^

Re: Dickinson... wonder what happens when a traditional center is told they "have" to improve their 3pt shooting in order to be "NBA ready"? This is what happens. A dominant post player starts drifting out more and more because that's where the sexy points are. This is probably my biggest complaint about Howard's coaching-- I frequently think he tries to play players in ways that are attractive to NBA scouts / styles, but not necessarily good for winning team basketball at the college level. 

Beat Rutgerland

January 20th, 2023 at 1:11 PM ^

I have paid virtually zero attention to Michigan basketball this season (and it seems like I'm happier for it), but I feel like being frustrated with Hunter not playing in the paint has been a thing the entire time he's played here.

 

Not trying to contradict you though, when I was paying attention to basketball, it just seemed to continually get worse.

Wolverine In Exile

January 20th, 2023 at 2:36 PM ^

Exactly, Frosh year and most of soph year he was an unstoppable post presence. Took Luka Garza to school in the post. The UCLA tournament game he was dominant and just got fatigued at the end. Now, the sets are getting him the ball higher in the post and he's settling for jump shots instead of grinding down low. Great if he's Bill Laimbeer or Rasheed Wallace. He's not. He's Jack Sikma, James Edwards, Robert Parish. He's a throwback center thinking he has to show he's a modern stretch five. 

Kevin14

January 20th, 2023 at 3:01 PM ^

I'm not sure if Brian's list is entirely in order of importance, but it seems like this is too harsh on Dickinson.  On our list of issues, "our star player playing at an All Big Ten Level but maybeee a smidge worse than last year's All Big Ten Level" should not be that high.  

I think it's especially ridiculous to say if he was playing at last year's level, we'd win a lot of those close games.  Having a freshman, sophomore, and freshman as our primary ball handlers probably has a lot more to do with that.  They're all nice players, but having Jones and Eli around last year helped in terms of getting the ball to Dickinson in good positions.  They were also much better at end of game situations.  Experience at guard positions in NCAA is invaluable.  

BKBlue94

January 20th, 2023 at 12:45 PM ^

Disappointed with the season, but I'm not ready to call this yet - mostly because of how bad this conference is. I could see Michigan going 4 and 9 against this schedule, or 9 and 4 with a big win and sneaking in.

Ihatebux

January 20th, 2023 at 2:26 PM ^

You keep hoping.   Without winning the B1G tourney, they are out.   No Quad 1 wins and a very very bad home quad 9 loss.   I think they will win 3 maybe 4 more games.  No chance of any road wins.  At home, they can beat Minny, PSU, Nebraska, Gers and IU, but they won't win all of them. 

L'Carpetron Do…

January 20th, 2023 at 12:53 PM ^

It really seems like they could've won that game last night. I'm also resigned to the fact that this season is a wash and am not anticipating a tournament bid now. 

But I've said before that I don't think this team is bad - we've seen bad teams (Ellerbe, Amaker, early or injured Beilein teams). They seem like a decent team that just can't win games. They do have bad luck, that's for sure. But you also make your own luck and I don't see this team really trying to out-hustle other teams or their own bad luck. They've showed it a few times but not nearly enough. They're playing juuuuussst well enough to win. But they're not.

You're totally right about what a waste those guys were last year. Personally, I'm astonished Houstan is on any roster at all - I'm convinced he's one of the worst players to ever be drafted by the NBA. I was also annoyed he got SO many minutes last year that could've gone to Bufkin or anyone else who is still here. And I'm sad to say that Williams has underwhelmed and doesn't strike me as a very skilled player. You can see he's not particularly smooth or athletic or a natural scorer, so he would need to play the grit/hustle role but he hasn't really done that either. This is just a weird team, man. 

MMBbones

January 20th, 2023 at 12:54 PM ^

Just saw on MSN that Michigan fans are upset with Juwan Howard right now. I didn't know I was upset with Juwan, but obviously I must be since I just read it on MSN.

Yeah, it's a bad year for all of the above reasons. But I'm not yet giving up on Juwan.

MeanJoe07

January 20th, 2023 at 12:59 PM ^

I think Howard might be the Brady Hoke of Basketball. Early success with previous coache's players. Some great recruiting classes that didn't pan out and then regression and misuse of players talents leading to some previously good players regressing or burning out. Also some injuries and bad luck.

Gustavo Fring

January 20th, 2023 at 1:21 PM ^

The best two players on the 2020-2021 team were Hunter (Juwan recruit) and Franz (Juwan recruit).  Chaundee Brown and Mike Smith, Jr were extremely important contributors, both Juwan recruits as transfers.  
Eli Brooks and Livers were Beilein recruits, but both also played much better under Howard, and the vast majority of the production came from Juwan Howard recruits.

Try again 

MeanJoe07

January 20th, 2023 at 1:54 PM ^

Okay, I will oblige. The best two players on the 2020-21 team by most metrics were Hunter and Livers (43% from 3!!!). Franz didn't really hit full stride until later on the season when he found his shot. Franz also already had the connection to Michigan due to his brother and his recruitment started with Beilein. Also Hunter has not improved much and has gotten worse against good competition. Its a stretch to give Howard credit for the development and better play of plug and play Seniors like Brooks who developed under Beilein and the other Senior transfers who were good immediately and would have been good immediately on most teams due to their already established track record.  Also comparisons aren't meant to be 100% accurate in every aspect so obviously not every aspect of Howard will match with Hoke and it's two different sports. The general vibe and trajectory feels the similar to me 

Try again.

ak47

January 20th, 2023 at 2:17 PM ^

Except for the part where Juwan's best year had almost nothing to do with Beilein's players.

The starting lineup on that 1 seed involved:

Mike Smith- Transfer brought in and only coached by Juwan

Eli Brooks- Brought in by Beilein, took a massive jump in playing ability under Juwan

Livers- Brought in by Beilein, already good

Franz- Recruited by both coaches but stayed committed to Juwan and only ever played and developed under him

Dickinson- Recruited and coached solely by Juwan and has massively outperformed recruiting expectations.

In addition the first guy of the bench and an absolutely massive piece was Chaundee who was brought in and only ever coached by Juwan at Michigan.

This idea that Beilein left Howard some loaded program is ridiculous. 

Shop Smart Sho…

January 20th, 2023 at 2:34 PM ^

To be fair, Beilein had recruited what should have been a fairly loaded roster, if only some NBA decisions had gone differently. Even if just 1 of Poole, Matthews and Iggy stick around for one more year, that's a drastically different team Howard inherits. Especially if it had been Poole, who I think a lot of Michigan fans were talking themselves into believe he could have been a top 5 pick the next year if made a similar off-season leap.

 

njvictor

January 20th, 2023 at 1:00 PM ^

If there's a lesson to be learned here it's that certain five stars aren't worth it. You have a guy headed for the lottery? Ok, get him. One-and-done second rounders are not worth bothering with.

To be fair, Caleb Houstan was considered a sure thing. He was the best shooter in the country, a pre season lottery pick, and we essentially expected him to come in and adequately replace Livers

His (Dickinson) assist rate is down

It's not just down, it's been cut in half from last year

I don't get it. To me, Dickinson is not fighting for good post position and getting the ball way outside the paint too often, where he then settles for jumpers. Per Synergy he's lost almost 0.2 PPP on post-ups this year, dropping from a 94th percentile player to a 70th percentile player, and that's with tomato cans occupying a larger portion of the schedule 18 games in instead of 32.

Completely agree. It's hard to tell if it's a scheme choice by Howard or if Dickinson is just uninterested this year

Most of the 3/4 defenders are hideously bad

It's very confusing. Jett and Barnes have the athleticism and frames to be good defenders, but are mentally awful defenders. The rest of the wings are just unathletic and/or undersized. I do think Tschetter is an underrated defender though. He's a good communicator and switches relatives well

he's (Reed) currently a 23% free throw shooter(!!!)

This is confusing to me because he could shoot some in high school. It's pretty impressive how bad he is at free throws as a D1 player

Gustavo Fring

January 20th, 2023 at 1:10 PM ^

Bufkin improved massively, Hunter has not been assertive but has turned into a capable shooter (which he was not as a freshman), Franz took a massive leap between year 1 and 2, Brooks became a significant glue guy (yes Beilein recruit but had his best years under Juwan), Livers developed more on-ball creation ability, Tschetter has improved especially considering how raw he was when he came in.  

Terrance Williams stagnating is disappointing for sure.  But the bigger issue for Juwan has been attrition.  His development for players who stay multiple  years has been fine.  We didn’t blame Beilein for every Smotrycz or Chatman that didn’t pan out either.  

Blue Balls Afire

January 20th, 2023 at 1:38 PM ^

You make some good points.  Well taken.  But in my observation, once Beilein's players left the program, so did the shooting ability.  The program doesn't seem to help players improve their shooting--they remain the same as when they entered the program.  I could be wrong, of course. 

As an aside, I totally believe Juwan should remain coach despite the recent troubles.  Beilein had a horrible third year (I think) and was allowed to change assistants and reset.  He went on to do great things as we all know.  Juwan has earned the same accommodation in my opinion.  

Yinka Double Dare

January 20th, 2023 at 1:51 PM ^

Beilein recruited better shooters in the first place, guys improved but they already had a base level of shooting competence when they walked on campus. When Baker's having an off night we have one plus 3 point shooter at the 1-4 spots (Jett) and they can't play Baker too long to get out of a shooting rut, because his defense is basically unplayable if he's not making a pile of 3s and stretching the floor on offense. No wonder Hunter's coming out for the ball more out of the post, everyone can sag on him when he's in the post because they can't punish it/his passes out are less likely to be converted. He's usually the best 3 point shooter on the floor for them!

Honestly they look better than I expected with Dug running the show, this isn't a system where freshman point guards look good (see: Frankie Collins last year), Dug is small and seemed even less likely to be valuable this year, and he's been not completely terrible, I figured they were totally sunk this year when Llewellyn went down despite his not playing great to that point.

Gustavo Fring

January 20th, 2023 at 3:40 PM ^

Beilein recruited Zavier Simpson, Charles Matthews, Kam Chatman, GRIII, Mitch McGary, and many others who did not come in with shooting ability.

Howard recruited Kobe as a shooter, it hasn’t panned out yet but he’s excellent from FT and his form is great.  His rep out of HS was as a shooter.  Same with Caleb.  Barnes too, Smith was recruited as a shooter, Hunter has developed into a threat from 3…

Blame Juwan for the defense but tbh e idea that “Beilein emphasized shooting and Juwan doesn’t care about it” is inaccurate.  Beilein’s last team struggled with spacing against good teams due to Poole and Livers being the only reliable shooters in the rotation .  Yes they defended, so if you want get on Howard for that.

And for the record, Howard does own blame and is learning how to effectively construct rosters in college.  I don’t think the defensive schemes are bad (though last year’s first state game where they hard hedged Hoggard and went under against Walker was an exception) but the team has bouts of low energy and makes tons of mental errors.

part of that is youth, but the waning energy and focus falls on Juwan too.  Let’s see how he and the team responds 

PBR

January 20th, 2023 at 1:49 PM ^

Look, most everyone likes Howard and was happy he was hired. But this team looks bad, big recruits have mostly flopped, it doesn’t seem like a lot in the pipeline, and the buck stops with the coach. There was a lot of frustration with Beilein in some years too, but I did enjoy watching his teams - even the not so good ones - and I don’t find that true over the past two years. 

L'Carpetron Do…

January 20th, 2023 at 1:54 PM ^

I agree, people are upset because the team isn't playing great and not winning games and they think the players aren't improving. The team isn't improving, but several individuals are. Bufkin has certainly come along as has Dug since being thrust into the starting role. Dug has been worlds better since he first stepped on the court in November. Tschetter is also improving and will probably be a key player towards the end of the season and going forward. You can even see Reed picking up things he wasn't earlier. 

ak47

January 20th, 2023 at 2:25 PM ^

I love John Beilein. He was obviously a great coach. The way he gets talked about on this board as a way to put down Howard is just so far out of step with reality. There were lots of recruiting misses. He had two years worse than this team in years 8 and 9 of his tenure, highly regarded recruits like Irvin and Chatman never developed, we had frustrating teams that lost to teams with worse talent, most of his tenure was defined by teams with somewhere between below average to awful defense, he left behind a very mediocre roster with a lot of holes that have partly led to the transfer roller coaster we are on at the guard spot etc. People talk about him like he won four championships and never had a dissapointing outcome and then use it to say Juwan is failing. Its incredibly frustrating.

Gustavo Fring

January 20th, 2023 at 3:34 PM ^

Really well said.  No one is immune to the kind of turnover Beilein faced after Stauskas and GRIII left and that Michigan is facing now.  It takes time to develop recruits.

Also, Beilein is the greatest coach in Michigan history.  Whoever the coach is, constantly comparing them to him isn’t particularly useful.  Of the guys we could have realistically targeted, Nate Oats is the only one I’d prefer to Juwan.