Honestly I don't know WTF "pro-style" even means anymore.
When Harbaugh went to the NFL from Stanford he ran "college" stuff. When he came back to Michigan he ran "pro" stuff. It was the same stuff.
Then Harbaugh ran spread with Shea to go to "college" stuff. Then back to under center for "pro" stuff (the consensus description of what JJ did at Michigan).
Meanwhile his brother is running Lamar in Baltimore, Mahomes is doing whatever the eff he wants in KC, and Brady ran a "pro" spread for two decades, not under center.
As long as your playbook is more than three plays, it's a real offense afaik.
Sorry for the Lion diehards who can’t reconcile this but I will find it easy to root for JJ and Detroit. This was JJ’s best spot for finding success so I love it.
Crazily it was never reported (that I recall) in any of the gazillion stories and everyone (it seemed) presumed we were talking almost exclusively about the placards.
But what is the strategic purpose for that, is what I wonder. Is it that CS was able to get good enough intel on the placards just from the usual methods (i.e., TV broadcasts) and needed additional visuals on the hand signs?
I heard Klatt get all indignant about this awhile ago. The number of commercial breaks are not increased. However, I sort of assume this means that instead of going to commercials after a kickoff, they will stay on air and do ad reads, and that will be the ad break that gets "removed."
Actually, Ryan Day should get credit for forcing the change since everyone in the game (including Ohio State) wanted to keep sign stealing as part of the game until Ohio State complained about it.
I looked and did not see that detail anywhere, although I didn't search forever so I may have missed it.
Also, I don't have any kind of kickstarter account to enter my address in personal settings.
I had the same question as the OP, but I also assumed that we'd get this detail once the kickstarter closed. I figured it would be something along the lines of what was described above.
Obviously. That's why my assumption is that the Virginia law is permitting a situation where athletes can be paid as contractors but not employees since the Virginia law reportedly specifies that players cannot be employees (or at least not in the capacity of "athlete").
I haven't read the Virginia law, but the story presented it as they're allowed to pay NIL. NIL (officially) is not straight-up money for playing, so yeah, I would assume that's still the case.
What the school can do, I'm sure, is only offer contracts to people who it makes sense for them to go into business with. Obviously if you want to promote UVA football, you're only going to hire people from UVA football.
If you make a Big Board, I don't know where JJ goes, but I'm sure it's nowhere near #5. But the draft isn't based on the Big Board, especially with QB. People saying JJ is late first round or 2nd round struggle with understanding this.
They look at Kirk Cousins or Brock Purdy (if you project that as a JJ comp) and are like, those guys went in the 4th and 7th round! Yeah, so what? If they were in this draft right now they would go high in the first round.
Everyone could try to be like, oh, well, JJ isn't true first-round value so Imma gonna wait to draft him and get my forever QB in the 2nd where his true value is. Except then someone else will take him before that happens because he's a QB.
There are only 32 starters and you kind of have to have a Top 12 guy and it's even better when they're on rookie contracts. I don't understand why people are freaking out about JJ going Top 5.
The players would be getting paid appearance fees for events (charity/fundraising events or signing events) and for doing acting or modeling for advertising campaigns for the school. Basically they're doing gigs. And they'd be allowed to do those same gigs for anybody, not just the school.
Before collectives existed, schools could just go around and raise money for their departments. Once collectives became a thing, it became very difficult for schools to navigate fundraising because they wanted the same number of dollars for the athletic department but also needed donors to give to the collectives. If NIL can go directly back to the athletic department's budget, they will cease working with the collectives, or just absorb them. The messaging will be simple again: Give us all your money.
In theory, isn't the NCAA removing all Virginia schools from the association a possible outcome? The state might be able to sue the NCAA for imposing penalties, but surely the state cannot force the NCAA to accept schools as members.
A moot point, I'm sure, as the NCAA would never do that.
I agree, and despite my comment below, it's not impossible that Orji improves to where they want him. But it sounds like Denegal is zooming through his development while Orji is going more slowly with fixing bad habits.
Edit: Or am I reading this passage backwards?
There was clear separation between Orji and him at that point, but not as much since then. He's closed the gap in recent practices with his improved accuracy and has shown better skills on the move than outside observers might expect at first glance.
Moussa was draftable before he got to Michigan. I'm not going to knock Howard for his lack of development--he didn't get the opportunity. But I don't recall Diabate being a significantly different player from the beginning of the year to the end of the year.
As for Reed, Reed has had some growth, but it has felt underwhelming for what expectations were. Again, how much chance did Juwan have this year to really coach with his health issues, who knows. But I do believe there's a lot of potential left to tap with Reed.
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Thanks! I'm going to learn some history now.
Best Camden Yards, although it's worse now that they built that conference center in center field.
Worst, not counting indoor stadiums, is whatever the White Sox are calling their monstrosity these days.
Jacob's Field (or whatever) is also pretty good.
Fenway is great. Wrigley is most overrated. Fight me!
If you insist on counting the neighborhoods then that's different.
Is this some kind of Revolutionary-Civil War mashup?
Oops. First I posted that it wasn't LaVar. But then I found it. So it happened twice in that game.
Here's the first one that's not LaVar.
Sam Webb said Sabb left so that he could be a starter and not a rotational piece to give him more opportunity to showcase himself for the draft.
To me it means he might get lots of playing time, will probably be rotational player at best.
If he’s being told no competition at Kentucky, he’s guaranteed lots of minutes and not much competition behind him to pass him by later.
Channeling my inner-Craig Ross, apparently, by quoting Ben Folds lyrics:
I hate to listen
But lately it's been screaming in my ear
He finally stole the controller from the 15 year old playing with OSU on dynasty mode.
Lucky for Stover (and Stroud), Houston is not scheduled to play Washington with Sainristil.
Honestly I don't know WTF "pro-style" even means anymore.
When Harbaugh went to the NFL from Stanford he ran "college" stuff. When he came back to Michigan he ran "pro" stuff. It was the same stuff.
Then Harbaugh ran spread with Shea to go to "college" stuff. Then back to under center for "pro" stuff (the consensus description of what JJ did at Michigan).
Meanwhile his brother is running Lamar in Baltimore, Mahomes is doing whatever the eff he wants in KC, and Brady ran a "pro" spread for two decades, not under center.
As long as your playbook is more than three plays, it's a real offense afaik.
BTN plus? Seriously? The B1G really loves to kill interest in hockey/soccer/lacrosse.
In hindsight, if only Rod Moore had gone to the draft.
Did she go to the NWSL? Because the U.S. pro leagues also go coast to coast...
But no doubt a pro league will take better care of you than college including when it comes to travel schedule.
At least yours was a month old and not an obvious news item.
Back to back posts on the board of repeats. Anyone want to post that Harbaugh drafted Junior Colson next?
I just assumed this was happening. Didn't know it was a question.
Sorry for the Lion diehards who can’t reconcile this but I will find it easy to root for JJ and Detroit. This was JJ’s best spot for finding success so I love it.
Anything less than an A is ridiculous.
Be glad you didn’t see Penix coming.
Thamel also got his first name wrong. Granted, he was waaaaaayyyyyy closer.
https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1783502759146242482?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
I'm counting Harbaugh as one so I think we tie at least.
What's the downside? Players transfer in and out of schools more frequently than before? That has as much to do with the new portal rules as NIL.
Well. Add DB to the portal shopping list.
The old "You can't fire me, I quit."
1 Jayden and 1 Jadyn.
Won 13-12
What the…Why was he standing there?!
Crazily it was never reported (that I recall) in any of the gazillion stories and everyone (it seemed) presumed we were talking almost exclusively about the placards.
But what is the strategic purpose for that, is what I wonder. Is it that CS was able to get good enough intel on the placards just from the usual methods (i.e., TV broadcasts) and needed additional visuals on the hand signs?
I heard Klatt get all indignant about this awhile ago. The number of commercial breaks are not increased. However, I sort of assume this means that instead of going to commercials after a kickoff, they will stay on air and do ad reads, and that will be the ad break that gets "removed."
This sounds like new information...and also doesn't make sense to me.
Actually, Ryan Day should get credit for forcing the change since everyone in the game (including Ohio State) wanted to keep sign stealing as part of the game until Ohio State complained about it.
I looked and did not see that detail anywhere, although I didn't search forever so I may have missed it.
Also, I don't have any kind of kickstarter account to enter my address in personal settings.
I had the same question as the OP, but I also assumed that we'd get this detail once the kickstarter closed. I figured it would be something along the lines of what was described above.
You misspelled Scotty in your quote.
Obviously. That's why my assumption is that the Virginia law is permitting a situation where athletes can be paid as contractors but not employees since the Virginia law reportedly specifies that players cannot be employees (or at least not in the capacity of "athlete").
I haven't read the Virginia law, but the story presented it as they're allowed to pay NIL. NIL (officially) is not straight-up money for playing, so yeah, I would assume that's still the case.
What the school can do, I'm sure, is only offer contracts to people who it makes sense for them to go into business with. Obviously if you want to promote UVA football, you're only going to hire people from UVA football.
As long as we're misspelling names, can we call him Pippin and then sing Pippin songs at the games?
"We've got magic to do, just for you..."
Said something like this in the last JJ thread:
If you make a Big Board, I don't know where JJ goes, but I'm sure it's nowhere near #5. But the draft isn't based on the Big Board, especially with QB. People saying JJ is late first round or 2nd round struggle with understanding this.
They look at Kirk Cousins or Brock Purdy (if you project that as a JJ comp) and are like, those guys went in the 4th and 7th round! Yeah, so what? If they were in this draft right now they would go high in the first round.
Everyone could try to be like, oh, well, JJ isn't true first-round value so Imma gonna wait to draft him and get my forever QB in the 2nd where his true value is. Except then someone else will take him before that happens because he's a QB.
There are only 32 starters and you kind of have to have a Top 12 guy and it's even better when they're on rookie contracts. I don't understand why people are freaking out about JJ going Top 5.
So...they're contractors, right?
The players would be getting paid appearance fees for events (charity/fundraising events or signing events) and for doing acting or modeling for advertising campaigns for the school. Basically they're doing gigs. And they'd be allowed to do those same gigs for anybody, not just the school.
Yep. Throw it to Nico.
Before collectives existed, schools could just go around and raise money for their departments. Once collectives became a thing, it became very difficult for schools to navigate fundraising because they wanted the same number of dollars for the athletic department but also needed donors to give to the collectives. If NIL can go directly back to the athletic department's budget, they will cease working with the collectives, or just absorb them. The messaging will be simple again: Give us all your money.
Are you expecting an explanation for this? Of course it's an advantage if you can pay players directly versus other schools that can't.
Nico
In theory, isn't the NCAA removing all Virginia schools from the association a possible outcome? The state might be able to sue the NCAA for imposing penalties, but surely the state cannot force the NCAA to accept schools as members.
A moot point, I'm sure, as the NCAA would never do that.
Make a team poster with everyone in the photo. Pay everyone on the team for appearing on the poster. There's not much to monitor.
And yet he always says don’t call in. When’s the last time the roundtable was a call-in segment?
I agree, and despite my comment below, it's not impossible that Orji improves to where they want him. But it sounds like Denegal is zooming through his development while Orji is going more slowly with fixing bad habits.
Edit: Or am I reading this passage backwards?
I've been one of the louder "Don't count Orji out just yet" guys, but...it's probably time for me to move on.
Moussa was draftable before he got to Michigan. I'm not going to knock Howard for his lack of development--he didn't get the opportunity. But I don't recall Diabate being a significantly different player from the beginning of the year to the end of the year.
As for Reed, Reed has had some growth, but it has felt underwhelming for what expectations were. Again, how much chance did Juwan have this year to really coach with his health issues, who knows. But I do believe there's a lot of potential left to tap with Reed.