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Brian February 13th, 2020 at 1:36 PM

2/12/2020 – Michigan 79, Northwestern 54 – 15-9, 6-7 Big Ten

I remember Julia Louis-Dreyfus. I remember a packed arena losing its mind for Dererk Pardon on that thing he did, you know, that one. I remember worse Northwestern teams that didn't sniff the tournament but were still close enough to turn Chris Collins into a dog.

Playing Northwestern anywhere other than Crisler has been a brutally frustrating experience for Michigan of late. Michigan won 62-60 in Northwestern's building just last year. The year before the Wildcats won; the year before that was the Pardon thing. There was no game at Welsh-Ryan in 2016; instead Michigan scraped out an OT win in the Big Ten Tournament.

A distinct air of "here we go again" descended over the Michigan fandom during a nearly six minute stretch without points immediately after tipoff. Then Northwestern gave up a 31-5 run with Zavier Simpson on the bench. In the second half there were possessions were Simpson just threw it to Brooks or Livers for wide open threes. No action, no screens, just guys standing by themselves outside the three point line.

It took Northwestern over a half to get an offensive rebound. Jared Jones, the backup post you may remember canning off the dribble jumpers, seemed like the only guy on the court who wanted to be there. It obviously sucks to be on a team that's 1-12 in conference play but after watching Rutgers nearly fight all the way back against Ohio State in the game immediately preceding Michigan's it was hard not to compare the two teams.

Rutgers is still pretty much Rutgers. They can't shoot (318th in 3P%, 329th in FT%). Their offense is still a series of isos with very little team basketball (311th in assist rate). They're an island of misfit toys, and they play balls to the wall at all times. It's impossible to rattle them. They play in the RAC. Two years ago they went 3-15 in league play. So what if Geo Baker misses 12 straight shots and you're down 15 to, yep, Northwestern? Been there. Lived there. Gonna win anyway in the jankiest way possible.

Northwestern just wants to go home.

[After THE JUMP: Big Country!]

Country vs Sleep. A large part of Michigan's early futility was Jon Teske putting up a series of dispiriting bricks. Austin Davis entered and promptly went 4/4 from the floor. When he returned in the second half Northwestern was so focused on him that he got a bonafide triple team on one possession.

What's going on? Your author's theory is that Teske reacts badly to double teams and Davis does not. Northwestern was far more willing to dig on post players, and from multiple spots on the floor, than most other Big Ten teams. This is because most other Big Ten teams have Daniel Oturu (at a certain level of approximation) and Northwestern has this guy, a freshman ranked #348 on the composite:

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Northwestern is very good at doubling because they practice it more than any other Big Ten team. Teske has his physical attributes and was still ranked outside the top 100 as a recruit because he was not a dominant post presence. Then he spent three years as a roll guy who never posted and flirted with having the lowest turnover rate in the country for a coach who was better at avoiding turnovers than any coach in the Kenpom era.

Doubling made Teske uncomfortable. This led to a sped-up Teske who wanted to get his dribbling done with as fast as possible. The result was a lot of jump hooks that got progressively worse as the game went on.

Austin Davis spent his high school years playing for Onsted, where every time he touched the ball he was swarmed by six-foot guys. Davis's high school career was picking the horses in the "would you rather fight a horse-sized duck or 100 duck-sized horses?" question*. He accepts double-teaming as a way of life, like Bane surrounded by tiny horses. This is not a HoegLaw ad. Yet.

*[Clearly the horses. A duck-sized horse would have toothpick legs you could take out easily, and since they have no arms they'd be limited to trying to kick your ankles, which would probably break their toothpick legs. Also: just think of the mass. A duck weighs about two or three pounds. A horse weighs from 840-2200, per Google. The sheer amount of animal you have to take out is somewhere between four and ten times less with the duck-sized horses.]

The good news for next year game. Simpson was out for the bulk of the first half. He finished with four points and five assists. Teske had a horrendous game. Michigan still easily cleared a PPP. The guys picking up that slack are all going to be around next year, knock on wood.

Performances included:

  • 7 assists, 0 TOs, and 7 points on six shot equivalents from DDJ, with his three a tough late-clock stepback.
  • Eli Brooks going 4/8 from three.
  • Isaiah Livers looking all the way back from his injury with two impressive tomahawks and a 132 ORTG.
  • Johns, Davis, and Castleton going 8/8 from the floor.

Michigan had a veritable Kenpom Time surge with a 12-3 run to close the game, so maybe not all of that is meaningful. Brooks and DDJ performances are, though. Brooks's season numbers are still pretty ugly against Tier A+B teams; they are way, way less ugly than they were a month ago. He's broken out of that miserable shooting slump, going 15/37 from three over the last five games.

Good news for this year. Michigan was 14th on Torvik before the Livers injury and 46th without him. A solid win against MSU and a road blowout of Northwestern would see them pop up to 10th nationally if you exclude the Livers games. (If you can average BARTHAGs, which you might not be able to.)

As a couple people have pointed out on twitter, Michigan ranks very highly over its last five games, which feature two games for Brandon Johns surge and two with Livers in the lineup. If Johns can maintain his recent level of play—he didn't feature much in this one because he was sick—and Livers stays on the court maybe getting back to Bahamas-level play is possible.

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redshirt: no [Campredon]

The Bajema mystery deepens. Michigan put him out there for the first time since the MSU game, officially closing the door on any sort of redshirt. He canned a corner three, naturally. He now has eight makes on the season on 10 shots. Nunez has 15 on 49.

Auburn stays Auburn. Last night Auburn won an OT game against Alabama in which the Crimson Tide attempted 59(!) threes, which caused me to delve into the maximum Auburn currently going on at Auburn. Despite being 22-2 they're just 32nd in Kenpom, behind 14-11 Purdue, 12-11 Minnesota, and 14-10 Wisconsin. This is a combination of two things:

  1. Auburn played zero top 50 nonconference opponents and this year the SEC is the worst high-major conference. (Congrats, Pac-12!)
  2. Auburn is #1 by a fair bit in Kenpom's "luck" stat, which is basically a comparison between your wins and how many wins you should have expected to get given the number of close games you're in. Four of Auburn's last five games have gone to OT—all wins. They also played an OT game against Furman earlier this year, also a win.

I haven't seen evidence of Auburn running back a missed three pointer for a touchdown but I assume these things are so commonplace now that they're barely worth mentioning. Auburn is a 4 in the current T-Ranketology and will be everyone's upset pick in the first round if they stick there.

If you're wondering about Michigan. They're languishing down at 285th in luck. Add in Livers getting injured twice, a month of the worst three point luck on the planet, going 0/5 from the line down the stretch against Illinois, and going from 60% to win to 13% to win against Ohio State thanks to a call that will never be made again and you've got a recipe for a lot of frustration obscuring a team that might be pretty good with Livers on the court.

Also a factor in the frustration: Michigan has played the toughest slate of opponent offenses in the country. Gonzaga(#1), Iowa (#3), Creighton (#6), Oregon(#10), Louisville(#11), MSU (#18), OSU (#19), and PSU(#20) are all in the top 20. (How the hell is Penn State a top 20 offense?)

BTW, that Creighton win is looking pretty good now. They just beat Seton Hall on the road and are likely to finish second in the Big East.

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some will, some won't [Campredon]

Solving the recruiting crunch. Much talk of processing in the wilds in the aftermath of Sam Webb crystal balling Josh Christopher to Michigan and Austin Davis emerging as a reliable backup 5. Here's the situation as I see it:

  • Christopher is likely to commit, high five.
  • Todd is likely to stick, high five.
  • Livers doesn't have enough draft traction right now to pull the trigger.
  • You want to keep both Davis and Castleton.
  • Greg Brown's dad has said they're going to wait until after NBA declarations to find the best spot for him, and that they want to play the 3/4. Unless one of Livers or Isaiah Todd—and probably both—head elsewhere, Michigan's not going to be the spot. Since the way Brown ends up on campus is if Michigan has unexpected attrition, he doesn't factor in to potentially going over.

That puts Michigan over by two. Getting there requires two of three things: offering a firm handshake to Davis, having one of Nunez or Bajema transfer, or having Jace Howard walk on. You get pushback when you mention the latter because Howard's said he's on scholarship but if push comes to shove the least painful thing to do is to let Juwan pay some in-state tuition. Then you'd expect that one of the two wings will decide to go somewhere they can play without arm-twisting. If not you'll have to say goodbye to Davis, which would be unfortunate.

Given the flexibility with Howard getting Christopher is the equivalent of oversigning by one, something even John Beilein started doing after the Battle/Langford situation. It'll work out.

Slight differences from Beilein, part 60. You've got Dikembe Mutumbo and Worldwide Wes sitting courtside at a Northwestern game. And then Juwan Howard shouts Wes out ("he's like an uncle") in the postgame.

I theorize this would not have happened without a coaching change.

Latest draft items. Sam Vecenie has a new mock draft that does not contain Isaiah Livers. It does have Jalen Smith and Daniel Oturu in the first round (albeit late). Xavier Tillman and Ayo Dosunmu are just outside of it; Joe Wieskamp and Kaleb Wesson are mid-second rounders.

Comments

yossarians tree

February 13th, 2020 at 1:52 PM ^

Livers' development is really ascending quickly. If he continues and closes out the season strong I'm afraid (for us, not for him) that he is a first-rounder. Besides having an NBA shot, the dude is smart, plays good defense, and has leadership qualities.

TrueBlue2003

February 13th, 2020 at 7:17 PM ^

Iggy didn't/doesn't have more upside than Livers.  His lack of length and athleticism along with meh defense put a pretty hard ceiling on him while also being highly unlikely to ever contribute in the NBA.

Livers is longer, a much better athlete and an elite defender.  He is the quintessential 3 and D guy. He's a rich man's Duncan Robinson.

He won't be a star unless he develops into a three level scorer (unlikely) but he has a good chance to be a long term starter / role player in the NBA.

I'll be shocked if he doesn't shoot into the late first / early second round.

 

OwenGoBlue

February 13th, 2020 at 5:06 PM ^

Also the last several drafts show next to no upside for coming back for a senior year. Combine that with an expanding NBA rookie world* and he can be a pro if he wants to. 

The Athletic mock Brian cites doesn't have a single even upperclassman in the first round. I hope he comes back but if I'm Livers I'm in the league. 

*Two-way contracts; G League growth; revenue growth; a number of 2nd round or UDFA guys getting paid more than first rounders over their first 4-5 years in the league; increased demand for rookies (111 rookies have played this season as of the All-Star break with 63 playing in 10+ games); etc.

KTisClutch

February 13th, 2020 at 2:06 PM ^

I don' really see many situations where Castleton and Davis both want to stick around. Unless you think Dickinson will be 3rd string, why would one of them want to stick around to be a 3rd string C? And even if you do think Dickinson would not get any PT, we're going to have so many good 3-4s that we'd have to explore going small on occasion to get our best players on the floor so now the backup C becomes a marginalized position, leading one of them to most likely transfer.

 

TLDR: I can't imagine many scenarios that lead both Castleton and Davis to be on the team next year.

StateStreetApostle

February 13th, 2020 at 2:11 PM ^

because you lack imagination

 

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<various highlights of Austin Davis making putbacks off Castleton bricks>

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COMING NOVEMBER 2020... TO AN ARENA NEAR YOU.

 

...ok, i'll grant you not many LIKELY scenarios

AC1997

February 13th, 2020 at 2:20 PM ^

Really?  Here's how I see them potentially wanting to stay:

  • Davis - I just hit my stride, the starting spot is open, at worst I get to repeat my role as a try-hard second string and go to grad school at Michigan.
  • Castleton - This year hasn't gone well, but I'll get another off-season of strength and working with Juwan, the starting spot opened up, and at worst I'm competing with a journeyman and true-freshman with a strong chance of getting 15-20 minutes per game.  (He's also not likely to land anywhere big as a transfer, having to downgrade schools and sit out a year.)
  • Dickenson - I know I'll be an out-of-shape freshman, but I'm already huge and the starting spot is open.  Davis and Castleton will play but I could easily get 20min right away.
  • Todd - I don't really want to play center, but I'm huge and a little raw on offense so for a few minutes per game I will do it to get on the court.
  • Johns - I'm a power forward, not a center.

KTisClutch

February 13th, 2020 at 2:30 PM ^

That's how you'd like them to think - but that's all idealized. If both Davis and Castleton came back, it would most likely be a poor choice for one of them from a basketball stand point. 

There's not PT for 3 Cs. One will be the odd man out. And as I said the backup may only be getting 10 per game if we go small every so often. 

 

Davis could think, "I was able to highlight what I'm able to do and now teams want me. I'll transfer to a mid major and get a guaranteed starting spot and lots of post touches rather than risking getting passed up by younger players since I've maxed my ability.

 

Castleton could think, "This 2nd year did not at all go how I planned. I've wasted half my eligibility wasting on the bench. And now I'm a long way away from home playing for a coach that didn't recruit me. Now a stud recruiting class is coming in and Austin is saying he's coming back. Better to transfer and get a redshirt so I'll have 2 more years of eligibility remaining" (and I think he'd have some high majors interested in him. Or MVC/A10 teams at worst. "Downgrading schools" has worked out real well for Ibi Watson)

outsidethebox

February 13th, 2020 at 3:05 PM ^

Did you see Dickinson's stat line and tape from the other night? He is 7'2" and knows how to use it better than Teske, Davis and Castleton combined. The roster will include Johns. It would be a most curious scenario where both Davis and Castleton are on next year's roster...I believe Michigan keeps one of the two "veterans". Position-less basketball comes marching into Crisler. 

Alumnus93

February 13th, 2020 at 3:25 PM ^

If Davis stays, he will be the starting C over Dickinson next year.  Davis needs to start right now... maybe it lights fire under Teske because he needs it.

Castelton's frame just seems too small to put on weight and I have inkling he goes to play elsewhere, where he can start... sitting on bench sucks.  A shame because he is actually quite skilled, and with a thicker body, he'd be the starter even over Teske right now.

I don't know if anyone noticed vs NW, but Nunez seemed to have had a recent growth spurt... he grabbed a rebound out of nowhere and was impressive.... skills haven't changed, but physically he seems to have had an uptick.

The Bajema thing is just so odd... playing Baird and even Nunez over him.... don't get it... must be a massive liability in practice, or was hurt. Now that his redshirt is burned, I hope to see him play a lot more.

 

TrueBlue2003

February 13th, 2020 at 3:34 PM ^

If Dickinson isn't third string at least to start the year, it would be a shock (assuming both Castleton and Davis stay).

Yound bigs aren't usually very good.  Davis will almost certainly be ahead of Dickinson initially because he's got a nice post game and knows where to be and what to do.  And yes, that means I think Davis would be the starting center to start the year if Castleton transfers and possibly even if Castleton is around.

And if junior Castleton isn't also ahead of Dickinson, it would seem like a suprising failure to bulk him up because again, having two more years of experience and good athleticism should be him ahead of a non-five star freshmen.

Remember, even Jordan Morgan started over Mitch McGary for most of the year.

And Castleton would still be in line to be the backup as a senior even if Dickinson passes him.  Unless he really wants to start for an inferior team, I'd be surprised if he didn't want to compete for a spot.

blueboy

February 14th, 2020 at 6:30 PM ^

McGary came off the bench for most of the year but by the middle of the year he was getting the most minutes at the 5. Morgan kept the starting role for a while and Horford even got a few looks, but that was probably mostly driven out of deference to seniority. McGary was clearly the best player and the minutes distribution showed it.

 

Dickinson is also probably more polished than McGary was coming out imo, even if he’s a bit less talented overall. 

tspoon

February 16th, 2020 at 3:20 PM ^

I’m very excited that Dickinson is coming, but will be pleasantly surprised if he turns out to be only “a bit less talented” than McGary.  In the world of legendarily-disappointing unrealized promise, McGary is the drugs-basketball version of injuries-football Antonio Bass.

FrankMurphy

February 13th, 2020 at 4:36 PM ^

Why on earth would Davis not want to stick around? I'm sure he's thinking about his future post-basketball, and there aren't many educational options out there that would put him in a better position to succeed in life and also offer him a chance to play at the highest level of college basketball than a graduate degree from Michigan (unless he can score a Stanford offer or something). 

cbutter

February 13th, 2020 at 2:18 PM ^

The difference between Davis and Teske is footwork, full stop. Teske has absolutely no footwork, so the defender can put all their weight on him and not worry about the quick spin or drop step to get by them. That leaves Teske dribbling until he feels like doing his turning half hook shot, most of the time off balance (I've never seen the types jump that he does from anyone else. How he ends up jumping, lifting his knees up, falling away from the basket, and pulling his head down simultaneously is truly impressive). 

At this point, it probably needs to be an even 20/20 minute split between the two.

AC1997

February 13th, 2020 at 2:22 PM ^

You are correct about footwork.  I do also think that Teske's limited set of post-moves was completely unscouted early in the year but has now been downloaded by B10 coaches and they know how to frustrate him more.  

I also think there's a strong correlation between how hard Teske is having to work on offense and defense affecting each other.  While more Davis isn't a bad thing in small doses....he's still terrible on defense.  

Mitch Cumstein

February 13th, 2020 at 2:35 PM ^

I mostly agree. I think:

1) Davis has way better hands than teske 

2) Davis’ role gives him no fear of fouling out thus that actually helps his aggressiveness on defense and the O-Glass.  Not really fair to compare the two in a lot of ways bc of the disparity in minutes.  My guess would be that Davis becomes much less effective as he gets more and more minutes. 

I think, when possible, trying to limit teske to 25-30 min makes a lot of sense. And the other 10-15 use situationally between Davis and a 5-out lineup with Johns

 

Edit:

I wrote this in the negative teske thread also, but I think with Livers back easing on the teske post sets, possibly in favor of getting post touches for Livers and Wagner isolated on opposing wings would help the offense’s inside/outside balance, increase opponent foul rate, and relieve teske to refocus on D

Alumnus93

February 13th, 2020 at 3:29 PM ^

Well, the evidence implies something to the contrary... for the more Davis has played the better he has played... lets see him first start a few games and get substantial minutes before we extrapolate this.     I like him in there because when he shoots down low its such a high percentage shot because he is very crafty.... in spots past, he did seem a defensive liability but lets see if that improves with more playing time, for last night, he played well and after he came in is when the team went on a run and took the lead.    Teske is better defensively but his inside shot is so unreliable that its defeating.

schreibee

February 13th, 2020 at 8:27 PM ^

Nope, sorry 93, until Davis' minutes are both doubled AND against the opposing 5, there is no "evidence".

The most salient point made in any of these comments is that the staff has been slow to recognize that Teske's repertoire has been downloaded and counters been installed. 

Now that Livers is back, the next evolution would seem to be dumping down low to Teske in early sets, but now having him kick to Livers (or Franz) after Teske gets doubled. 

Earlier in the season having the early offense flow through Big Sleep was working great. Now EVOLVE & counter, with actual better players being the alternatives! 

And also YES, play Davis more minutes, just don't jump to grandiose expectations based on extremely limited usage, mostly against backups. 

cbutter

February 13th, 2020 at 2:36 PM ^

I don't have the data in front of me, only what I see, but I don't know that there is a big drop off between the two on defense. Just last night I watched Teske get blown by from a Northwestern guard from about the 12 foot mark. Not because he was too slow, but because he tried to steal the ball from a 6'4" guy and got off balance. Davis, on the other hand, sank multiple times, played vertical and made them miss a couple tough attempts around the rim. 

IMO the drop off has more to do with Davis having a higher foul rate. Which if he fouls out but maximizes his minutes at this point, I'm game. Again I don't have any advanced metrics, this is all anecdotal, and admittedly I am fully on the Davis train right now, so I could be completely wrong. 

KTisClutch

February 13th, 2020 at 2:46 PM ^

Yeah... you're completely wrong about their defense lol. Teske played great great D last night. Plus the foul rate still has to be a consideration. Davis may not have to worry about fouling out, but if we play him and his propensity to foul, it gets teams in the bonus quicker and leads to more FTs for the other team.

cbutter

February 13th, 2020 at 2:50 PM ^

Just for fun I looked at the DRtg from last nights game, which measures points given up per 100 possessions (if you already know that, I apologize, I am not trying to insult your intelligence). Teske's was 79 and Davis' was 75, so the advanced stats would say I was actually right, granted small sample size, but certainly not "completely wrong" about last nights game. 

 

Edit: I looked up conference DRtg and Teske is better at 100.4, Davis at 103.4, so overall Teske is right, but if you are talking about 3 points over 100 possessions, I will take his improved offense right now for an additional 8 minutes, not asking for him to start.

cbutter

February 13th, 2020 at 2:41 PM ^

Davis played 12 minutes last night. I truly believe that an additional 8 minutes is going to be beneficial to both Michigan's offense while he is on the floor and Teske. The offense would have two distinct looks then, Davis' ability to score in the post, potentially being able to pass out or hit cutters for open looks on doubles. Then you would have Teske who is better in the PnR and does have the ability to pop hit knock down a shot. If he has more time on the bench, I think his outside shot would improve. 

KTisClutch

February 13th, 2020 at 2:47 PM ^

My favorite Davis play last night was when he passed out of a double team for the first time all season. He has absolutely no vision in that respect. He has 1 assist all season. Teske doubled that just last night.

 

Davis is playing the absolute perfect role for him right now. I don't think we should ask of any more.

 

I'm fine with taking a few of Teske's mins away, but I'd prefer they go to Brandon Johns instead.

TrueBlue2003

February 13th, 2020 at 4:24 PM ^

It's a combination of footwork and not knowing/not being able to get a lower center of gravity to push guys.  I lack of leverage if you will.  This is how shorter and even smaller guys get low and keep him from moving them and then are able to move him on the other end. Lower foundational center of gravity.  So he dribbles and stays in place rather than pushing guys and then just does that ineffective jump hook.

Davis is shorter and bends his knees and pushes into guys while having a good sense of balance to then spin off guys.

There are reasons Teske never posted up under Beilein and they go beyond just the fact that Beilein is post up averse (because McGary did have the green light to post up some).

I said it earlier this year but Teske's role on offense needs to be limited to screening, rolling and getting orebs.  He shouldn't be shooting threes or posting up.

AC1997

February 13th, 2020 at 2:34 PM ^

I think there are enough variables that I'm not worried.  Livers (NBA), Davis (handshake), Todd (overseas), Castleton/Nunez/Bajema (playing time), Howard (walk-on) may all free up a spot.  

I think the fascinating thing is going to be playing time.  There are going to be a lot of guys riding the bench who aren't used to that.  You figure something like...

PG - Brooks (20), DDJ (20)

SG - Christopher (25), Brooks (10), Wagner (5)

SF - Wagner (20), Livers (20)

PF - Livers (10), Johns (20), Todd (10)

C - Dickenson (20), Davis/Castleton (15), Todd (5)

Bench - Nunez, Bajema, Williams

That's a 9-man rotation and at least 3-4 guys sitting.  

the Bray

February 13th, 2020 at 2:40 PM ^

I don't think Brooks is going to get minutes at the 1. And you forgot Zeb.

PG - DDJ (28) Zeb (12)

SG - Brooks (18) Christopher (22) Brooks starts at start of year, Christopher by end

SF - Livers (28) Franz (12)

PF - Franz (8) Johns (12) Todd (20)

C - Davis or Castleton (18) Dickenson (17) Johns or Todd as small ball C (5)

Williams - RS or garbage time. Nunez, one of the bigs leaves. Howard RS or garbage time. Bajema - leaves or garbage time.

Todd and Christopher are both 1 and done types... they aren't coming to Michigan to play limited minutes. It's also why Brown won't end up at Michigan. Where will the minutes come from? Even if Livers goes pro - that's time absorbed by Franz and Todd. 

KTisClutch

February 13th, 2020 at 2:51 PM ^

Why would you not think Brooks will get time at the 1? When X was out against Nebraska he certainly ran the offense quite a bit. He's also the absolute perfect 1 to play next to Christopher. Christopher will play 30 mins a game instantly, and the ball will need to be in his hands. Brooks will be able to play great D and knock down shots next to him. DDJ can stay in his bench microwave role, but hopefully improved consistency. 

 

There's no way Brooks plays 10 minutes less per game than DDJ. 

the Bray

February 13th, 2020 at 2:56 PM ^

That's fair. I probably shouldn't have said he wouldn't get any time at the 1. It could be more him and DDJ share and Zeb gets squeezed out during his frosh year.

Christopher could also play some 3 in a DDJ-Eli-Christopher lineup if small small ball is needed - but with the wings they could have next year, that just makes it even tougher to get all those guys minutes.

Either way - it's fun to draw up scenarios where you are plugging in 2 five-stars, 3 returning starters, returning roles players making a jump, and a couple other four star freshman (oh, just four stars? jeez).