That’s a great point about that awesome piece put together by PopeLando, and honestly, his post made me hungrier to dig into the new info from the 2022 season. I thought the overall takeaways from his post were great from a larger historical perspective of both Harbaugh and Michigan.
What I hope to get, and have enjoyed getting, out of the Jimmy stats collective overview is the nuance of formations, personal, run type (zone vs gap), coverage (man versus zone), blitz rates, and so on.
I don’t have a good reason for asking about this information. As a self proclaimed football nerd, I just find it all so interesting and appreciate the effort that goes into it.
I love this. Fun read. I'll be very interested in what others have to say, but I think you'd have a hard time justifying Tennessee, Wisconsin, North Carolina, FSU, and TX A&M over Nebraska and Miami.
Don't get me wrong, NEB and Miami suck right now, but enough to put them out over some of the other teams?
I'll give WI a pass because of how good/consistent they are and have been.
FSU, to me, is just as "on brand" as NEB and Miami, so that's a wash.
Tenn. and TX A&M are very debatable.
North Carolina? I don't get that one over the other two.
Again, I'm interested in other opinions, but I think you just about hit the top 20, and if there is an ability to "play in" to the Super League, then why not. If Miami, Standford, Colorado or Rutgers (JK....LOL) play well enough over two or three years to move up, then sure, it makes it even more fun. On the other hand, if Texas, FSU or say North Carolina suck, or continue to suck, they move down.
Great points. I agree with your write up on the 2011 team, along with how you / S&P rank the Harbaugh years.
I personally do not have the fondest memory of that 2011 team. It felt like a fraud all year with the number of turnovers and sloppy offense. While it is always good to win, it did not feel like the beginning of Michigan being "Back".
I think it's really interesting to look at the years and how they correspond with watching Rich Rod slowly get better each year, 2008, 2009, then 2010....then Hoke takes over and has one good carryover year (2011), then starts to dip backward, 2012, before falling back each of the last two years before we got Harbaugh.
Wow, that's pretty bold. While I understand the skepticism for MI, I think Harbaugh has shown enough going into year 5 that it would be shocking if we wound up unranked. We could drop a couple games and I would not be surprised, but to wind up unranked would be a terrible year.
I don't think it would be shocking if any of the Texas, LSU, or Florida wound up unranked by the end of the year. They all seem to be in that area of "We are back" that gives me the same feeling as Michigan being "back" with Hoke.
I think this list is an awesome reminder of how a lot of QBs don't actually work out. People love pointing to Tagovailoa and Lawrence as examples of how true freshman QBs can start and succeed. But....looking over this list you see a litany of QBs who were supposed to be "The Guy" for some school and are now just "A Guy" or wound up transferring.
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Very fun, I love NCAA and admittedly still play on the Xbox 360, especially as the season gets close and I'm blissfully ignorant on how the season will turn out. (From my calculation, we're going to win the NCAA Championship)
I agree for the most part with what you put together, there are a few things here and there, but whatever, it's all made up anyway! However, looking at the "create a player commits" and going off of your other comment "In NCAA, anyone below a 75 on this team has no shot at starting in his career and is probably going to get cut if you recruit well. Top true freshman come in at 83, 84. I scaled it back from even that."
You don't seem to high on what we have incoming for next year. Again, I agree with how you came up with this. And the way I understand your thinking is that younger players, even freshman rated below 75, won't last long based on good recruiting. With that said, you only have McGregor and Henning as incoming players who have a shot at being a valuable player.
I'm not trying to knock you on this very subjective ranking system, but based on what you came up with, what are your thoughts on the 2020 class so far?
Any word out of practice if this is something that is actually going to happen? The segment in HTTV on the "double viper" package was interesting.
I love the idea of using hybrids and moving pieces to confuse an offense, but watching what happened last year when Brown ran those packages, I'm not sold on their effectiveness. Especially if they are something that we have to use out of necessity, and not as a fun option to play around with.
I really want to see McGrone come along a little faster. He's a player I've been excited about, and I think he has the highest upside of any of our current LBs.
The rest sounds about right. I'm not too high on our D-Line right now, but I think they'll be fine, a lot like our RBs will be fine.
The corners/safeties give me pause, but I think our coaches will figure out how to make them work.
Awesome write-up, and a great trip down memory lane.
The McDoom swing and double pump fake to the TE win out for me. Although I'll admit I have a soft spot of the use of FBs in any offense, a wheel route just doesn't scream creative.
I don't know. They got worked for what? The first quarter...maybe the first half against ND. Florida? Sure, I can't really argue, but no one showed up to play. Is that on the players, the coaches, both? I don't know, but I am not worried about that one.
The OSU game....yea that sucked. But still, it was one game, with a first-round NFL QB and legit guys faster than ours. You bring up the right games, and box scores agree with you, but I'm not sure within the context you're making the right point.
I love the enthusiasm and wish I could be that positive, but never forget Morris. Just because Peters and McCaffery are supposed to be awesome doesn't mean they will. Now, I think they will, and every MI fan thinks they will, and I sure as hell hope they are both out of this world great players, but just because they are supposed to be doesn't mean they'll live up to it. Morris was a flop and I think keeping things tight between the guys and continuing to push will only make them better. Look at what competition did, who would have thought Speight would be the starter....supposedly.
While I was in Iraq I couldn't watch the game but I listened to the game on BTN over the interenet at from 0400 to 0700 in the morning and then got to start my day after listening to the team lose to Iowa.
I love me some OL, but I still don't understand the need for taking up to 7 players. Not living up to the billing, attrition possible positions changes, sure I get it, but still 7 seems like overkill.
To be clear..I'll take 7 monsters up front so we can bulldoze OSU until they quit playing football, but I'm just saying.
I follow recruiting pretty close, but never heard that before. I'm not doubting you, just wondering where that information came from.
Next I would ask you why don't you blame Hoke for taking the commitment? If some 17-18 year old kid is dictating how and who a team like Michigan recruits....maybe Hoke needs to think about who is in charge.
I have to admit that I was a bit worried about him as the OC. I've seen some of what he was able to do with Harbaugh in the past, but coming from being an offensive line coach to full time coordinator made me nervous about his ability to manage an entire offense. Maybe I'm just thick headed, but what he was able to do this year, not just with our O-line, but the way our offense actually started to work was amazing. I know he and Jedd are working together, plus HARBAUGH, but I'm still very impressed with this guy. I hope he sticks around for a while.
I became a football fan late in life. After graduating from EMU I was commissioned in the Army and began that career. One year later I found myself in Iraq and it can be very hard to relate to my family back home when they are going about their normal lives and I am overseas experiencing things that they never will. So I became a much better sports fan in general. This helped us connect and make things a little easier. This was also happened to be during Rich Rod's second year. I followed Michigan and knew about the horrible first year old Rod took us through, but I never really got into it. That second year though while I was deployed, I played some NCAA football with my guys and became interested in the "how" and "why" of football. A few years go by and then I found myself in Afghanistan. I met another officer who played quarterback at a DIV III school and he helped me dig much deeper into my shallow understanding of football. Learning little things that I feel like everyone else knows, such as the difference between Cover 3 cloud and Cover 3 Sky....Blew My Mind and I became hooked on everything about the intricacies of football. This site, along with SmartFootball and others along those lines became my crack. I love this site and appreciate everything you guys put into this. Thank you all and I look forward to continuing to learn about this great sport. I hope one day I have half the knowledge of some of you and will be able to contribute to this game, whether as an assistant coach or the oldest ball boy you've ever seen. I love this game and everything that goes into it.
It looks like Pearson (FS) was coming down to plug the front side gap that the Mike jumped into. Had Wroblewski stayed on the backside A Gap would that have stopped the play? Further, was the gap he jumped into accounted for by the FS or is this where gap blocking runs creates more gaps as players fill?
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That’s a great point about that awesome piece put together by PopeLando, and honestly, his post made me hungrier to dig into the new info from the 2022 season. I thought the overall takeaways from his post were great from a larger historical perspective of both Harbaugh and Michigan.
What I hope to get, and have enjoyed getting, out of the Jimmy stats collective overview is the nuance of formations, personal, run type (zone vs gap), coverage (man versus zone), blitz rates, and so on.
I don’t have a good reason for asking about this information. As a self proclaimed football nerd, I just find it all so interesting and appreciate the effort that goes into it.
Am I missing Colson? I don't see him on here?
Love it!!! What a great ridiculous video for this insane year.....boil'em, mash'em, stick'em in a stew YAY!!!
I love this. Fun read. I'll be very interested in what others have to say, but I think you'd have a hard time justifying Tennessee, Wisconsin, North Carolina, FSU, and TX A&M over Nebraska and Miami.
Don't get me wrong, NEB and Miami suck right now, but enough to put them out over some of the other teams?
I'll give WI a pass because of how good/consistent they are and have been.
FSU, to me, is just as "on brand" as NEB and Miami, so that's a wash.
Tenn. and TX A&M are very debatable.
North Carolina? I don't get that one over the other two.
Again, I'm interested in other opinions, but I think you just about hit the top 20, and if there is an ability to "play in" to the Super League, then why not. If Miami, Standford, Colorado or Rutgers (JK....LOL) play well enough over two or three years to move up, then sure, it makes it even more fun. On the other hand, if Texas, FSU or say North Carolina suck, or continue to suck, they move down.
Thanks again, fun read.
Great points. I agree with your write up on the 2011 team, along with how you / S&P rank the Harbaugh years.
I personally do not have the fondest memory of that 2011 team. It felt like a fraud all year with the number of turnovers and sloppy offense. While it is always good to win, it did not feel like the beginning of Michigan being "Back".
I think it's really interesting to look at the years and how they correspond with watching Rich Rod slowly get better each year, 2008, 2009, then 2010....then Hoke takes over and has one good carryover year (2011), then starts to dip backward, 2012, before falling back each of the last two years before we got Harbaugh.
Wow, that's pretty bold. While I understand the skepticism for MI, I think Harbaugh has shown enough going into year 5 that it would be shocking if we wound up unranked. We could drop a couple games and I would not be surprised, but to wind up unranked would be a terrible year.
I don't think it would be shocking if any of the Texas, LSU, or Florida wound up unranked by the end of the year. They all seem to be in that area of "We are back" that gives me the same feeling as Michigan being "back" with Hoke.
I think this list is an awesome reminder of how a lot of QBs don't actually work out. People love pointing to Tagovailoa and Lawrence as examples of how true freshman QBs can start and succeed. But....looking over this list you see a litany of QBs who were supposed to be "The Guy" for some school and are now just "A Guy" or wound up transferring.
A millennial is someone who is younger than an individual making a comment about unruly youths. All younger people are "millennials" to everyone who is older.
Very fun, I love NCAA and admittedly still play on the Xbox 360, especially as the season gets close and I'm blissfully ignorant on how the season will turn out. (From my calculation, we're going to win the NCAA Championship)
I agree for the most part with what you put together, there are a few things here and there, but whatever, it's all made up anyway! However, looking at the "create a player commits" and going off of your other comment "In NCAA, anyone below a 75 on this team has no shot at starting in his career and is probably going to get cut if you recruit well. Top true freshman come in at 83, 84. I scaled it back from even that."
You don't seem to high on what we have incoming for next year. Again, I agree with how you came up with this. And the way I understand your thinking is that younger players, even freshman rated below 75, won't last long based on good recruiting. With that said, you only have McGregor and Henning as incoming players who have a shot at being a valuable player.
I'm not trying to knock you on this very subjective ranking system, but based on what you came up with, what are your thoughts on the 2020 class so far?
Thanks for the fun.
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Good point on the 3-3 stuff.
Any word out of practice if this is something that is actually going to happen? The segment in HTTV on the "double viper" package was interesting.
I love the idea of using hybrids and moving pieces to confuse an offense, but watching what happened last year when Brown ran those packages, I'm not sold on their effectiveness. Especially if they are something that we have to use out of necessity, and not as a fun option to play around with.
Great read, I appreciate the information.
I really want to see McGrone come along a little faster. He's a player I've been excited about, and I think he has the highest upside of any of our current LBs.
The rest sounds about right. I'm not too high on our D-Line right now, but I think they'll be fine, a lot like our RBs will be fine.
The corners/safeties give me pause, but I think our coaches will figure out how to make them work.
Awesome write-up, and a great trip down memory lane.
The McDoom swing and double pump fake to the TE win out for me. Although I'll admit I have a soft spot of the use of FBs in any offense, a wheel route just doesn't scream creative.
Thanks for this. Keep it up.
I don't know. They got worked for what? The first quarter...maybe the first half against ND. Florida? Sure, I can't really argue, but no one showed up to play. Is that on the players, the coaches, both? I don't know, but I am not worried about that one.
The OSU game....yea that sucked. But still, it was one game, with a first-round NFL QB and legit guys faster than ours. You bring up the right games, and box scores agree with you, but I'm not sure within the context you're making the right point.
I love the enthusiasm and wish I could be that positive, but never forget Morris. Just because Peters and McCaffery are supposed to be awesome doesn't mean they will. Now, I think they will, and every MI fan thinks they will, and I sure as hell hope they are both out of this world great players, but just because they are supposed to be doesn't mean they'll live up to it. Morris was a flop and I think keeping things tight between the guys and continuing to push will only make them better. Look at what competition did, who would have thought Speight would be the starter....supposedly.
While I was in Iraq I couldn't watch the game but I listened to the game on BTN over the interenet at from 0400 to 0700 in the morning and then got to start my day after listening to the team lose to Iowa.
I love me some OL, but I still don't understand the need for taking up to 7 players. Not living up to the billing, attrition possible positions changes, sure I get it, but still 7 seems like overkill.
To be clear..I'll take 7 monsters up front so we can bulldoze OSU until they quit playing football, but I'm just saying.
I follow recruiting pretty close, but never heard that before. I'm not doubting you, just wondering where that information came from.
Next I would ask you why don't you blame Hoke for taking the commitment? If some 17-18 year old kid is dictating how and who a team like Michigan recruits....maybe Hoke needs to think about who is in charge.
Thank you for this, I love coming to this site and finding breakdowns like this. Great work. Go Blue
I have to admit that I was a bit worried about him as the OC. I've seen some of what he was able to do with Harbaugh in the past, but coming from being an offensive line coach to full time coordinator made me nervous about his ability to manage an entire offense. Maybe I'm just thick headed, but what he was able to do this year, not just with our O-line, but the way our offense actually started to work was amazing. I know he and Jedd are working together, plus HARBAUGH, but I'm still very impressed with this guy. I hope he sticks around for a while.
It looks like Pearson (FS) was coming down to plug the front side gap that the Mike jumped into. Had Wroblewski stayed on the backside A Gap would that have stopped the play? Further, was the gap he jumped into accounted for by the FS or is this where gap blocking runs creates more gaps as players fill?