In Defense of the Defense

Submitted by DelhiWolverine on April 18th, 2019 at 3:25 PM

For the past few weeks at MgoBlog, there has been a fairly consistent consensus of group-think forming that says we should all be concerned because the 2019 Defense will be significantly worse than the 2018 Defense.

I know we lost some Shields to the draft, and that is likely what fuels this perception, but I gotta argue that this take is flat out wrong. The 2019 defense may be a small step back from the 2018 version, but if we compare the two squads objectively, I think there is a far greater likelihood that 2019 won’t be too different from the year prior. Here’s why.

First, let’s take a look at the two rosters.

2018 DEFENSE
SDE -- GARY, Paye, Hutchinson
DT -- KEMP, Paye, Solomon
NT -- DWUMFOUR, Mone, Marshall
WDE -- WINOVICH
LB -- HUDSON, Glasgow, Uche
LB -- D. BUSH, Ross
LB -- GIL, Ross
CB -- HILL, Thomas
FS -- KINNEL, Woods
SS -- METELLUS, Hawkins
CB -- LONG, Watson, Thomas

2019 DEFENSE

SDE -- HUTCHINSON, Paye, R. Johnson
DT -- DWUMFOUR, Jeter, Hinton , Morris

NT -- KEMP, Paea, M. Smith
WDE – DANNA, Vilain, Ojabo
SLB -- HUDSON, Glasgow, Uche
ILB – GIL, Anthony, McGrone
ILB -- ROSS, Anthony, McGrone
CB -- HILL, Kelly-Powell,
FS – METELLUS, Woods
SS – D. HILL, Hawkins
CB –THOMAS, Gray

  • Starters and Projected starters BOLD UPPERCASE
  • Returning starters in italics

 

The 2018 Roster is pulled right from the OSU Game and basically reflects our best roster throughout all of 2018. If we compare the 2018 roster with the 2019 roster, there are 5 positions where we do not return starters from 2018. Let’s look at each of them.

 

SDE – We lost Rashan Gary to the draft. That’s a big loss, but we also have to remember that Rashan basically played hurt the entire year last year and missed 3/12 regular season games. Rashan was good, but he wasn’t great. This year, we have rave reviews about Aiden Hutchinson that were backed up by a very good showing in the spring game. All indications are that Hutchinson has taken a huge step this season, is becoming a Dude and we likely won’t see much fall-off in production from this position.

 

WDE – Chase Winovich will be greatly missed and will likely be a Michigan fan favorite forever and ever. But even at this position, we have some strong replacements lined up. He’s not on campus yet, but if PFF ratings (91.3 grade, #69 overall player) are any indication, Mike Danna brings quite a bit of talent at the position. Moreover, the coaches have all been pretty high on presumed backup Luigi Vilain who is finally healthy this year.  

 

ILB – Replacing Devin Bush this year will be Josh Ross. We all saw how well Ross got graded during UFRs last year. I don’t’ think that there’s anyone who can totally replace Devin Bush, but Ross will be a more than adequate replacement. We won’t see a big drop-off at ILB – the guy can ball. While Gil was a step behind Ross last year, he wasn’t terrible and earned 50% of the snaps. Perhaps that was the coaching staff anticipating Bush’s early exit and making sure that Gil had plenty of in-game reps to prepare himself for 2019. If so, that was smart. Gil won’t be in over his head starting at LB.

 

SS – Daxton Hill will be an upgrade over Kinnel. Everyone says it and knows it. On his podcast, Jim Harbaugh petitioned Mr. and Mrs. Hill to get Daxton to campus on June 1st so he can immediately begin working out, acclimating himself, etc. Harbaugh said that Daxton would be seeing playing time and soon. So the guy is going to play and likely start. He projects as a star and will add strength at a position that has been the team’s Achilles heel for a long time.

 

CB – David Long was a fantastic CB for us and we are sad to see him go. But all indications are that Ambry Thomas has made the jump we all expected him to and will be a good replacement. While he’s not David Long, he has a good amount of game time experience, knows Don Brown’s system, and is fast as lightning. He’ll do a good job for us and has a high ceiling. Every time we have been concerned about the CB position on the team in the past, we just seem to reload with more awesome dudes. In terms of backups, Gray has been receiving some promising accolades.

 

 

So that’s every position that we have to replace a starter. But what about Defensive Tackle? Everyone seems to have been bitching about the DT situation and while it isn’t the strongest position on the defense, it’s also not the dumpster fire that many MgoBoard Experts claim. Folks, we lost Mo Hurst to the draft after the 2017 season, not last year! We are returning the SAME guys that we had at DT all of last year, plus a promising Donovan Jeter and several high potential true freshmen.

 

“Yeah, but Aubrey Solomon LEFT THE SCHOOL!!! AND HE WAS GOING TO BE AWESOME!!!”

 

Yeah, about that. Here’s what the great Aubrey Solomon did for us last year. He played in 5 games, guys. 5 games. And in those games, he had 6 asst tackles, 0 solo tackles, 0 TFL, 0 sacks, 0 QB Hurries, and 0 PBUs. Forgive me if I don’t cry myself to sleep tonight because he left the program, MFrank/Maizen. Solomon had a lot of potential, but that’s all he gave us (except the finger). The guy didn’t do ANYTHING for our team last year and if anything, the DT situation in 2019 should be better because we have returning starters who hopefully have developed more skill.

 

So spare me the hot takes on the state of the defense. There may be a bit of fall-off from the 2018 squad, but barring a number of critical injuries, the guys we have on the 2019 team should perform very well and still be a top-ranked squad.

Comments

DelhiWolverine

April 18th, 2019 at 3:28 PM ^

OK, I didn't anticipate writing this today, but I just felt like I had to get this off my chest and throw some substantiated support behind our 2019 defense. It started as a board post, but got long enough that I thought a diary would be more appropriate. Hope it spurs some good conversation and that you all enjoy.

-DW

MadMatt

April 18th, 2019 at 5:06 PM ^

Problem is the defense last year was great against the Northwesterns (and to be fair the Michigan States and Penn States) of CFB, but got worked by ND and Florida, and destroyed worse than any Wolverine defense ever at OSU. It's not just the loss of 4 first/second round NFL players that has us worried. It's that PLUS the perpetual vulnerability to the slot fade/slot crossing route constraint keeping us up at night.

I have hopes for the offense. I better, because the defense isn't bailing them out ten games in a row while they try to run against 9 men in the box.

Kreeker

April 18th, 2019 at 7:53 PM ^

I don't know.  They got worked for what? The first quarter...maybe the first half against ND.  Florida?  Sure, I can't really argue, but no one showed up to play.  Is that on the players, the coaches, both?  I don't know, but I am not worried about that one.  

The OSU game....yea that sucked.  But still, it was one game, with a first-round NFL QB and legit guys faster than ours.  You bring up the right games, and box scores agree with you, but I'm not sure within the context you're making the right point.

DelhiWolverine

April 18th, 2019 at 8:34 PM ^

I was about to comment back on this with an almost identical take. Also remember that Metellus was ejected for targeting at the beginning of the ND game and they had to give Hawkins a Baptism by fire at the safety position. 

For FL, we had a bad combo of injuries and stars sitting the game out. We weren’t playing our best or even second best people at certain positions. 

For OSU, our DEs were both dinged up, we lost Bush and were generally unprepared for their game plan. They may also have been overconfident. But literally no one saw that truck coming until we got completely T-boned. This year, no one is going to use a speedy guy to take advantage of Ambry the same way they did with Watson because he will match them step for step. That, and I believe that Don Brown will have his revenge. 

Champ Kind

April 19th, 2019 at 10:23 AM ^

They may not take advantage of Ambry, but they will go after the 3rd corner when we play 3. Right now, that may be Gray. He will definitely get picked on in the same ways Watson was until he shows he can cover. I felt more confident with Long, Hill, Watson, and Ambry than Hill, Ambry, Gray and JKP. But, people emerge every season, so there could be a lot of improvement in there. 

Also, I think Dax will definitely be a star in the making. However, I think year 1 will still have some growing pains. I don’t know that he’ll be an immediate upgrade. Kinnel was a solid big 10 starter, and I’m hesitant to dismiss his experience.

 

snowcrash

April 18th, 2019 at 5:15 PM ^

You make good points, but I think it's a mistake to assume that an incoming freshman who hasn't even practiced with the team yet is going to be an immediate upgrade over a multi-year starter. Taking angles against Power 5 guys isn't like taking angles against high school guys. 

I Like Burgers

April 19th, 2019 at 1:19 PM ^

In general, that's kind of the problem I have with any optimistic take on the defense.  They are all built on a collection of half a dozen or so "if this happens" all working out.

I mean....we're counting at least two players (Hill and Hinton) who aren't even on campus being significant contributors, a large man with foot problems (Dwumfour), and three others (Jeter, Kemp, Villian) who haven't been able to stay healthy for a whole season.

IF everything goes perfectly with the DL and safety spots they are probably half a step worse than last year as an overall defense.  But man...if it goes the way thing usually go in CFB -- injuries, guys not living up to the hype, freshman being freshman -- it has the potential to get real ugly, real quick.

When a team can just line it up and ram it down your throat, you're in for bad times.

andrewgr

April 20th, 2019 at 7:41 PM ^

I did a bit of digging a couple of months ago, and found several articles that attempted to determine if cutt blocking really leads to more DL injuries.  The general consensus is that there's no evidence that it does.  Teams that play the service academies don't have DLs injured at a higher rate than they do in normal games.

What I did not find was an analysis of whether the injuries that do occur are more serious, but to be fair you're probably looking at a pretty small samples size and it would be hard to draw conclusions.

Merlin.64

April 18th, 2019 at 5:44 PM ^

Thanks for the thoughtful analysis. Obviously results on the field will determine how accurate it is, but we do have plenty of talent still. And perhaps more than one reason for both the Defense and Offense to prove they can deliver against OSU?

CarrIsMyHomeboy

April 18th, 2019 at 5:45 PM ^

I think the starters compare well. You're right. But the depth at DL is significantly worse. So I partially agree with you but in general have an optimism/realism conflict going on.

CarrIsMyHomeboy

April 18th, 2019 at 5:48 PM ^

I also predict we are worse off at "3rd CB" which will be an important position in big games. And even if I'm pleasantly surprised and Vincent Gray is truly equal to Brandon Watson, BWat was a liability versus OSU last year.

On that note (not one of worrying we are worse than 2018 but being concerned we may not be fortifying our weaknesses), I'm not comforted that Gil remains a Don Brown favorite. He may actually be the best at his position. That's the best case scenario (that Don Brown isn't wrong-minded about his vet), but that best case scenario projects as rough. We need someone to emerge as significantly better.

Having said that: I actually am optimistic about the season. Sufficient talent will start on D to be competitive (~Top 10-25 on D?) and the offense returns the best OL and perhaps more skill position talent than since 2007. This will be a good team; could be a great team. But the dream (runaway Big Ten favorite and likely CFP entrant in OSU's first year without Meyer) would have been for a 2016/2018 defense and a (foreseen) 2019 offense. But that's unlikely to be what we'll get.

NeverPunt

April 24th, 2019 at 1:43 PM ^

I don't get the hand-wringing over the Army game. Yes it's an annoying single-game offense to prep for but last year Army lost to Duke by 20, beat Hawaii by 7, beat Miami of Ohio by 1 in 2OT, beat Air Force by 3 and  Navy by 7.  They scored an average of 29 ppg in the regular season. 

They played Oklahoma tough in game where they managed to score 21 points including OT and scored 21 or less points in 4 games last year. 

The only other impressive thing they did was shell a Houston team in the bowl game that was chock full of issues under Major Applewhite that already lost to Texas Tech, Temple, Memphis and SMU last year. Houston's best win last year was against....USF? im having trouble naming one. 

Im not that scared of Army Football. (But thank them for their service)

The Maizer

April 19th, 2019 at 9:34 AM ^

Part of my concern is that I think what's more important than who is starting at DT is who is seeing the field for significant snaps at DT. We go from Paye and Mone in 2018, a solid pair, to Jeter and Paea, by your estimation, in 2019. Maybe that's fine, but I think it's way too early to be sure of that. Compounding the fear is that our 2018 offense was all ball control and slow pace, meaning fewer snaps for the DTs than what we're likely to see in 2019.

I also think you're underselling the loss of Devin Bush. He would just RUIN the offense's plans over and over and make TD saving plays all by himself when things went awry.

And finally, I believe we need a very solid pass rush for our defense to be truly successful. So even if Hutchinson and Danna are good options (which I'm hopeful about, but it is not guaranteed), are they going to get to the QB with consistency given our DTs may not be able to collapse the pocket?

All in all, I'm not panicking about the defense, but I think there's more than enough evidence, or at least uncertainties, for a step back in production to be expected.

DeepBlueC

April 19th, 2019 at 9:41 AM ^

In other (and fewer) words, “we’ll be fine”.

BTW, would your “He did nothing for the team last year, so losing him doesn’t matter” argument apply if Dax Hill got hurt and missed the season? 

DelhiWolverine

April 19th, 2019 at 2:26 PM ^

Yeah, we'll be fine. But I thought writing a 3 word Diary would just be asking for trouble. 

No, the argument doesn't apply. It's a false equivalence because while I haven't seen Dax Hill play against P5 level teams, I have seen Solomon play against them and he didn't do too much. That, coupled with reports about Solomon's lack of toughness and poor work ethic lead me to believe that he's not as big of a loss as some people are conflating it to be.

On the other hand, I have no data on how good Dax Hill actually is against P5 offenses. I have a lot of hope and I think he will be awesome, but if he were to get hurt (God forbid), I wouldn't know what I was missing and couldn't comment on whether it meant a loss of production or not.

 

DeepBlueC

April 19th, 2019 at 3:49 PM ^

“Hope” and “ think” are the operative words in most of this. You can go on all day saying that you think so-and-so will be really good, or that you’re hopeful that what’s-his-nose will have a breakout year, but it’s all just finger-crossing in the end, not evidence. I know, some people just need very badly to reassure themselves that “we’ll be fine”, and will gin up whatever arguments make that happen, but let’s not pretend this is anything else.

1201

April 19th, 2019 at 10:24 AM ^

It's not a hot take to suggest this defense is probably going to struggle some this year. They lost a lot of talent and aren't replacing them with the same caliber of player. Everyone is always optimistic before the season starts, then games get played and reality hits.

DelhiWolverine

April 19th, 2019 at 2:17 PM ^

It already happened in 2016. You (or one of your alter-egos) were corrected on this the other day in another thread.

OSU scored 10 points in regulation against our defense in 2016. The other TD scored in regulation was on a pick six. They scored 14 points in OT against our defense, starting their drives from our 25 yd line.

So their offense scored 24 total points against our defense in a game that went to 2OT and had 2 TDs scored in OT.

But please, tell me more about how our defense sucks under Coach Harbaugh.

Raving Blue Lunatic

April 19th, 2019 at 11:26 AM ^

I have few worries about the defense.  It will be solid. It will not be invincible, and truly invincible defense doesn't exist in College Football anymore. 

If I have a worry at all, it's the offense. It HAS to be dynamic. It MUST be able to score quickly. It MUST be balanced enough to keep defenses honest. It MUST use tempo to take advantage of mismatches.  It cannot take its foot off an opponent's throat for even one drive, especially against OSU.

DelhiWolverine

April 20th, 2019 at 11:30 AM ^

Based on all of the pressers since Gattis was hired and based on the spring open practice and spring game, you have absolutely nothing to corroborate your opinion that Harbaugh is running the offense. All evidence points that Gattis has installed his own offense and is running it 100% himself. Seriously, it’s like you want to believe that the worst case scenario is happening, facts be damned. The offense we saw at the spring game is very very different from what we saw last year.

 

jbuch002

April 19th, 2019 at 3:41 PM ^

Nice recap of personnel .........

Not that it is a problem but no one has mentioned that Don Brown's style of defense - a risk reward conundrum - requires a couple of things:

(1) 4 man pressure up-front, pass or run, that is disruptive. None of the guys returning - no need to single out players by mentioning names - delivered that key ingredient for Brown's defense during 2018 against teams with NFL level talent and elite coaching on offense. Not sure they will do that in 2019.

(2) When Brown wasn't getting decent pressure metrics and his defense got exposed to combo counters such as IZ/OZ runs and then those pesky spread look, 4 receiver, OZ blocked passing plays, he'd dial up a 5th or 6th rusher. In doing that, he put his LBs in a position where, on quick QB releases, they had to cover speedy receivers running crossing routes and fades under man coverage.  We saw how that worked out.

Given the DTs and DEs that will play and the LBs and Ss that aren't going to be significantly better than what was out there on the field in 2018, I'm hoping the offense can score 40+ points on the regular as I suspect were going to see some schematic break downs involving M's D like we did in 2018 against the best opponents M will face.

DelhiWolverine

April 20th, 2019 at 11:40 AM ^

You make good points re: how DBs defense has played in past years. And to be fair, the D line got after the QB all year until the OSU fiasco. 

I’m not so willing to peg DB as a guy who only has one system and can’t hack it if his D line doesn’t have a disruptive pass rush up the middle. I would bet he’s smart enough to have thought up the counters he needs to install to make sure we aren’t embarrassed vs OSU again. 

Murder Wolv

April 20th, 2019 at 3:54 PM ^

We still have good players, but losing NFL first-round talent is going to affect the defense. I think our best hope for improvement on the defense is actually the offense. The Gattis offense will give the defense more practice against the kind of looks they have struggled with in big games. I believe this is an under-appreciated issue in the past - the old offense prepared the defense against the “wrong” kind of threats, especially their resistance to running slants and RPOs.

jdemille9

April 20th, 2019 at 1:08 PM ^

My issue with the DT's is that the guys we had last year didn't do much, now we have the same guys and the specter of relying on two true freshman in Mazi Smith and Chris Hinton.. yes, highly rated but needing both of the to step into significant playing time, along with Dwumfour who is a liability against the run and Jeter (Mone 2.0) doesn't exactly warm my cockles. 

Lack of an interior pass rush puts a lot of pressure on everyone else, means we need to send LB's to blitz more often leaving the middle exposed and while Ambry Thomas may be good, he's no David Long. And Vincent Gray, well he was an unheralded late flyer that we have as the 3rd CB now.. I think any hopes of another 10-win season and beating OSU relies on the offense being as close to elite as possible. For once the offense will have to carry a sub-par (for our standards) defense. 

andrewgr

April 20th, 2019 at 8:24 PM ^

The problem is that if you apply this same logic to Michigan's opponents, suddenly the prospects for the season don't seem so bright.  For example, Ohio State is replacing four Offensive Linemen, which should prevent them from doing what they did last year on that side of the ball, but... the four replacements are three 5*s and a 4*.  Oh, and a honorable-mention All Big10 transfer from Rutgers that may plug in there somewhere.

So if you push the whole, "Well this guy is highly rated so he'll work out, and this other guy is highly rated and had those 3 great games when he had to fill in last year..." narrative, suddenly games against Ohio State, Notre Dame, and to a lesser extent Penn State seem very daunting, nevermind the bowl game or playoff games.

You can't have it both ways.  Michigan has some very real question marks, and you're hand-waving them away with things like an incoming transfer DL who got 4 of his 9.5 sacks against FCS opponent Maine, a total of 0 sacks and 1 QB hurry in his 3 combined games against mediocre P5 schools, and who is scored highly by a Pro Football Focus measure that doesn't adjust for quality of competition.  That's not a player to count on; that's buying a lottery ticket and hoping it hits.

Could it all turn out for the best?  Of course it could.  But even 5* recruits routinely don't meet expectations, or sometimes even manage to become starters.  Happens all the time.  Roughly 50% of 5* players don't even get drafted, and I can assure you that almost every one of them had earned that 5* rating just as much as Daxton Hill did.

This is a very different situation than it was last time arround, when players like Gary and Winovich were ready to step in.  They had already played real minutes and already showed that they were solid.  That's just not the case this year, with players like Ambry who have played minutes but struggled. ("All indications are he's made the jump"... what indications are those?  His being so far from ready to play that he couldn't even get into the Ohio State game when the player ahead of him was being beat like a rented mule?  Surely you're not placing very much faith in what the coaches are saying this Spring, because you know that they are going to say nice things about him regardless of how he performs, right?)

It's not all doom and gloom and certain failure, but confidently asserting that the defense should be roughly on par with last year's is unwarranted.  You can hope for it, but predicting it is a bridge too far.  

NeverPunt

April 22nd, 2019 at 10:27 AM ^

Just catching up to this diary OP - thanks for a reasonably optimistic take - there's plenty of things to be pessimistic take, but until they take the field, we won't know who was right. 

I'm confident DB will coach these guys up and put a good system in place that can handle the bulk of the offenses we face this year. Given so many teams replacing so much talent at key positions and hopefully an accelerate offense that can score more points on our side, I think there's plenty to be optimistic about. By the time we take on the hardest stretch of our schedule, these guys will be experienced enough and ready if they're healthy. 

The key measurement for improvement will still be how we face up against top-end talent on our schedule vs OSU and ND, however. I can see a strong argument for PSU, UW, and MSU struggling offensively this year. I think there's a strong sentiment that if we won all our other games and lost those two that the season would be a failure and DB would have "failed" - fair or not, that's how we're judging our seasons these days.  If OSU and ND regress a bit from last year and we hold steady and/or improve a bit those games become tractable. If they hold steady or improve and we regress slightly, it's tough to win those games.

Avery Queen

April 22nd, 2019 at 11:34 AM ^

Thanks for this post, DelhiWolverine.  Respectfully, I have to agree with some of the other commenters that you are downplaying the issues facing the defense.  As others have pointed out, we can't assume that guys who haven't shown us much yet are going to be able to match the production of 5 departed starters.  And even if guys like Danna, Hutchinson, & Ross are good, it's still a tall order to expect to match them the production of potential 1st round draft picks in Winovich & Devin Bush (I agree with you about Rashan Gary not being much of a loss because he was playing hurt so often).  Depth is also a big concern. 

With Aubrey Solomon, the loss hurts not because he's been any good so far( he hasn't) but that Michigan needs an every-down interior lineman who can generate pressure, and Solomon was the most likely to become that dude. I'm no expert on defensive schemes, but Brian has argued that Brown's defense depends on having an interior DL who could generate a consistent pass rush.  Last year we saw the lack of consistent pressure from the interior line allow opposing OLs to double both Winovich & Gary. With Solomon gone, I guess we're hoping that Dwumfour becomes that dude.     

What I'm hoping is that even with the likely struggles on defense (and maybe I'm seeing this through my own rose-colored glasses...) the combination of a a)likely big improvement on offense, b) our opponents having their own challenges with replacing returning production, c) a favorable schedule, & d) the OSU coaching change allows us to weather those struggles out.