Wow, new era: starting Notre Dame QB enters portal
I understand that he was replacing an injured starter, but a guy who just completed 23 of 26 passes against USC on one of the biggest stages in college football....is entering the portal.
December 2nd, 2022 at 2:05 PM ^
Well, I remember in week 1 lipreading Tommy Fumble Rees as he spoke to the starting QB on the headset. Rees was screaming "Just do your fucking job", and, being a supervisor of professionals myself, I thought: geez what a great guy to work for or to teach young men how to improve in big moments.
December 2nd, 2022 at 2:12 PM ^
What would you expect, his coach (and boss) was purple face.
December 2nd, 2022 at 2:30 PM ^
And Brian's long lost brother...
December 2nd, 2022 at 9:34 PM ^
Purple Face.... didn't he kill a guy once?
December 2nd, 2022 at 2:13 PM ^
I noticed a similar interaction during the USC game. Maybe Tommy Rees needs to hit the portal
December 2nd, 2022 at 2:24 PM ^
Well I'm by no means a big ND fan, in fact I dislike them so much I don't even want to play them, but I mean surely we can all appreciate the difference between a football coach talking to a player during a heated physical contest and a corporate manager in a 1-on-1 with a subordinate.
People on forums like this one often wonder how a Brian Kelly can be a successful coach even though he seems like an easily angered asshole who seems mostly worried about his own reputation and doesn't really give a shit about the players he's coaching. And the answer is that the culture in college football, a 99.99% male environment with a focus on controlled aggression and hierarchy, does not generally match that of an average workplace in 2022.
And that as a result the involved people, players and coaches, have very different expectations of how people interact and how bosses interact with subordinates, what tone is appropriate etc.
December 2nd, 2022 at 2:35 PM ^
The answer is to not try to justify dinosaur brain nonsense 99.99% male environment behavior in 2022.
December 2nd, 2022 at 3:07 PM ^
Tom Brady seems to have no issue barking at his teammates from time to time. He’s doing okay for himself.
December 2nd, 2022 at 3:30 PM ^
Coaches are not trying to reach and motivate you or the average MGoBlog poster, but 18-19 year old kids from a variety of backgrounds and life experiences. Some of them will likely view the coach screaming at them the exact same way you do, others may well respond to that more than to some dude trying to have a calm, constructive feedback session. Some of them may see calmly issued, rational feedback in fact as something that can safely be ignored, after all if it was urgent then why would it be uttered in such a calm fashion?
I can speak for myself as a young gun out of college that I was glad my first boss was a woman who didn't suffer fools gladly and didn't hesitate to 'kick my ass' verbally if I fucked up. I vastly preferred that over some of the nicey nicey managers who quietly railroaded you instead.
December 2nd, 2022 at 4:12 PM ^
I've had conversations like this at work many times. It's possible to tear someone a new back orifice in a civil manner. As long as you're being understood (something you can easily check in real time) there's rarely* any point in screaming or shouting. It demeans sender and recipient.
* Some people, including a few members of my extended family, have grown up in noisy, emotional, and chaotic environments. They don't know how else to communicate, so screaming is probably just right for them.
December 2nd, 2022 at 3:54 PM ^
Typical response. I didn’t see anybody trying to justify it. It was a well thought out response that made a lot of sense. Yours does not make sense.
December 2nd, 2022 at 2:44 PM ^
But it's not clear coaches who win do it because of screaming or despite it.
In my experience as a player with coaches and as a coach with players, screaming anger seemed less focused motivation than an excuse for losing control after the fact.
December 2nd, 2022 at 2:56 PM ^
I have to agree with this take.
Let's say a QB throws an interception and Kelly yells at him on the sideline. I'm pretty sure the QB knows he fucked up; he doesn't need Kelly to go code purple on him to figure that out.
I guess if Kelly were imparting priceless knowledge at the top of his lungs I could see it, but let's face facts: when he's in purple mode Kelly is too angry to be teaching anything useful.
December 2nd, 2022 at 3:18 PM ^
And Brian Kelly is clearly disliked by those working with him, as evidenced by essentially no players or coaches following him to LSU. Have you ever seen Harbaugh yell at a player, much less yell profanity? As someone who has supervised many people, and tried to study effective leadership for self-improvement, I can tell you that there's strong evidence to show that belligerence and fear in a leader gets worse results than leadership based on respect, trust, buy-in, and clear, calm accountability.
December 2nd, 2022 at 3:56 PM ^
Harbaugh does an amazing job of being a player's coach AND a tough, disciplined Bo/Woody coach. It is uncanny.
December 2nd, 2022 at 7:34 PM ^
You think Bo wasn’t both a players coach and tough?
my buddy played for Bo and says, “I always felt the deepest respect for me from Bo” and he wasn’t even a starter.
December 2nd, 2022 at 2:37 PM ^
That's something about the sport I never understood - even as a HS player in the 80's. How does screaming something like "you're the candyass of all candyasses" (my coach to me) actually motivate someone?
December 2nd, 2022 at 3:00 PM ^
Some folks perform better with positive motivation, and some folks perform better with negative motivation.
December 2nd, 2022 at 3:29 PM ^
I think (with no evidence) that it has more to do with the coach - some coaches coach one way, others the others.
I would be interested in seeing stories about a coach with a very good reputation of yelling at players that perform better with yelling, and coddling those that perform better with coddling.
December 2nd, 2022 at 3:31 PM ^
People say this enough for it to have become a readily accepted cliche. But a college football coach is the administrator of a very large operation, one in which a lot of yelling absolutely does not get the job done.
I'd bet that if we perform some longitudinal studies what we'd find is that--yes--some coaches do succeed with a mix of shouting and quiet blandishments, just like abusive husbands do. But my hunch is few last long. At some point, those coaches who ride on pure emotion, and they may not all be screamers or abusive, have to grow up. Become men. I think that we saw Harbaugh do that before our very eyes. He's gone from lovable nutcake to statesman. He had to. Remaining the same might have killed him.
This is also (being more speculative now) why those few coaches who remain stuck in third gear--the Dantonios, the Izzos, the Kellys, strike us as. . . somewhat monstrous. And kinda broken, win or lose.
December 2nd, 2022 at 5:12 PM ^
I would have preferred a coach that just taught me how to play football. Coddling wasn't necessary.
December 2nd, 2022 at 3:18 PM ^
I had some coaches like that. I didn't see it as a negative and often took some motivation from it. I guess it was just kinda expected that coaches would yell at you.
December 2nd, 2022 at 2:08 PM ^
Frankie Collins-ass decision
That Buchner dude is terrible and I cannot imagine him starting a whole year
December 2nd, 2022 at 2:40 PM ^
Frankie is looking like a genius right about now, imo!
December 2nd, 2022 at 9:37 PM ^
Arizona State currently 1 place behind Michigan on kenpom
December 2nd, 2022 at 2:41 PM ^
What I've heard is that ND was probably going to look in the portal for a starting QB for next year even before this
If Pyne is behind both Buchner and the new guy then this makes perfect sense. Wouldn't be surprised if we soon see Hudson Card (or some other free agent QB) at ND is a done deal
December 2nd, 2022 at 3:20 PM ^
If true then wonder if Cade committed to Iowa too early. He was once committed to ND.
December 2nd, 2022 at 4:17 PM ^
I think you are on the right track - same thing happened at Iowa with Padilla the day before Cade made his announcement
December 2nd, 2022 at 7:07 PM ^
Yes, I expect ND already has a QB ready to enter the portal and pass through to them.
December 2nd, 2022 at 2:09 PM ^
Thought he looked very good any time I saw him play. As the article states he should have a ton of suitors and be able to find a good place to land
December 2nd, 2022 at 2:44 PM ^
He got a little better through the year and did well against some bad defenses (e.g. ACC teams, USC) but still locked in on Mayer too often and made catastrophic mistakes (e.g. USC)
December 2nd, 2022 at 2:10 PM ^
Now C.J. Carr can start next year!
December 2nd, 2022 at 2:20 PM ^
Let's hope he enrolls early and learns the playbook FAST and that he has a very competent OL to protect him. Otherwise, he's not going to have a fun Freshman year.
December 2nd, 2022 at 2:20 PM ^
Very impressive for a 2024 recruit to play in 2023.
December 2nd, 2022 at 3:05 PM ^
Lloyd used his clout and pulled some strings.
December 2nd, 2022 at 3:12 PM ^
But he couldn’t do this for RichRod!
/Section 1
December 2nd, 2022 at 2:21 PM ^
Barring injury, he absolutely will.
At Saline High school.
December 2nd, 2022 at 2:16 PM ^
Things move fast in the portal today. Cade seems to have the first mover advantage.
December 2nd, 2022 at 2:18 PM ^
Except he choose Iowa.... Weird choice.
December 2nd, 2022 at 2:31 PM ^
Can he now switch to Notre Dame?
December 2nd, 2022 at 2:54 PM ^
Only if he paid for the portal insurance when he signed up
December 2nd, 2022 at 3:07 PM ^
No substitutions or exchanges. All transfers are nonrefundable.
December 2nd, 2022 at 3:14 PM ^
What about take-backs?
December 2nd, 2022 at 2:59 PM ^
Which SCREAMS tampering. Im sure its going on everywhere....
December 2nd, 2022 at 2:16 PM ^
It's pretty easy to forget that these student-athletes are supposed to be getting an education and the current perpetual free-agent setup doesn't support that.
Yeah, I know, it's an old school position that they are students first and athletes second.
December 2nd, 2022 at 2:23 PM ^
It is an old school position, but also how does this change the education? It's a different institution, but you still have to be enrolled to play. You definitely can go anywhere with a Notre Dame transcript.
December 2nd, 2022 at 2:36 PM ^
I'm sure we'd deny at least a semester's worth of credits.
December 2nd, 2022 at 2:39 PM ^
Technically yes. But practically this will not be ideal. Dealing with new professors new system etc..is a pain in the ass.
December 2nd, 2022 at 2:55 PM ^
You don't just have to be enrolled but need to make regular progress toward a degree in order to stay eligible. Transferring generally makes it harder to graduate on time.
December 2nd, 2022 at 2:17 PM ^
I wonder how much tampering is going on right now. This kid has been playing better and better. I don't understand why he would leave before the bowl unless he was being promised things. It is basically free agency.