Watching this OTL on ESPN right now

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There is NO way Izzo survives this.  It's absolutely disgusting that a coach would look ther other way.  He will be GONE within a week.  Sickening.  Clean the F-ing house.

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GratefulBlue

January 26th, 2018 at 7:38 PM ^

At some point, and I hope soon, I would expect some of the attention to turn on the Freep and other local media that failed to report on most of this, when every reader of this blog had heard rumors about these coaches and many of these players/incidents. The fact that ESPN had to do a lot of the FOIA and investigative legwork is really odd. Usually these things start locally, and then national catches on. It seems incredible (in the true sense of the word) that the writers covering MSU sports didn't have an idea of what was going on.

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bokee88

January 26th, 2018 at 7:41 PM ^

The important question is: Did they break any rules regarding stretching? The media was very concerned about that at one time. They did all kinds of interviews with former players to get to the bottom of that “scandal.” Too bad the Freep wasn’t as interested in any of these stories (which have been out there for all to see).

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turtleboy

January 26th, 2018 at 6:19 PM ^

Honestly I would normally dismiss a stand like this as a hot take, but given the circumstances, being tied to the university where nassar abused for so long, and the positive momentum the #metoo movement has nationally, I agree. I don't see how izzo or dantonio survive. If the allegations are true (and I absolutely believe they are) then both men are huge pieces of shit who are gonna be on the wrong end of judgement day some day, and absolutely should be fired, then investigated.

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FauxMo

January 26th, 2018 at 7:37 PM ^

I just very carefully read the full ESPN article, from which (I assume) the OTL is drawn. Honestly, I would be surprised if anyone in the AD of any significance in any way tied to these cases (including Dantonio and Izzo) survives this.

Let me be clear: I really and truly believe that, in isolation, all these things happen at all universities, including here at UM. My thoughts today have often turned to, "yeah, this is not an MSU problem entirely; it's a human problem."

But the sheer scope and breadth and depth, and the culture of silence that was clearly designed to protect MSU sports and MSU's reputation, are staggering. I no longer think this is an ESPN media-grab-hit-piece, as I kind-of did earlier. This looks like a seriously decrepit and corrupted set of institutions at MSU. More heads will roll over the next 7 to 14 days. 

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wildbackdunesman

January 26th, 2018 at 7:46 PM ^

I agree.  This immoral behavior could happen anywhere, but it is getting worse for MSU. 

ESPN is digging into the local prosecutor that allegedly gave Payne and Appling a free pass on rape while having season tickets.  There is the potential for some sickening institutional issues there.

 

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stephenrjking

January 26th, 2018 at 8:14 PM ^

I'm starting to think there's stuff like this at a lot of universities that we don't know about. Like doping in cycling. Because local media clearly looked away here. It seems to me like the local scrutiny Michigan was exposed to regarding stretching is almost totally unique in elite D-1 sports. 

Not sure if this has popped up elsewhere on the board yet, but wow.

NCAA president Mark Emmert was specifically alerted in November 2010 — six months after he was hired as the organization's president — to 37 reports involving Michigan State athletes sexually assaulting women.

Well then.

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FauxMo

January 26th, 2018 at 8:41 PM ^

Well, undeniably, there is literally stuff "like" this at every single university on earth. I remember hearing many years ago (in the 90s, in fact) that UM, MSU, WMU, CMU, etc., were nothing in terms of sexual assaults compared to....LSSU and NMU. Yes, those two universities led the state in per capita sexual assault at one point in the 90s (again, so I remember reading; I have no idea if this holds true today). There were lots of theories why (colder and more indoors, fewer women, etc.), but they were the worst apparently. The difference is in the scope and scale. For every university that has one or two awful incidents that are mishandled, there is a Baylor or MSU, where apparently sweeping these things under the rugs becomes a part of the culture.  

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YouRFree

January 26th, 2018 at 11:04 PM ^

i can confirm you that UM is not immune to this with my second hand experience. They are probsalby no where near as this bad as MSU. But in a case i knew, when it comes down to university reputation vs. a life, the balance can go to the wrong end. The investigation can be totally go underground. 

Many these colleges just have too much power that can influence criminal investigation on their campus. Who gave them those power?

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Wolverine_in_n…

January 26th, 2018 at 6:21 PM ^

I am in tears that these young women were tossed aside like garbage. This is sickening.
How as a father do you even allow this from players without wanting to strangle someone? Is winning so important that you allow this behavior?

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Oscar

January 26th, 2018 at 7:07 PM ^

"What the hell does being a father have to do with being against rape or child molestation?" The point the OP was making was how can someone that is directly related (a father) restrain themselves from hurting the responsible party.

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amitrx

January 26th, 2018 at 6:22 PM ^

This is horrible.  

I don't care if it is Michigan State or some random school.  These victims must have felt absolutely helpless.  

I really hope other schools are not guilty of similar things.  

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Ziff72

January 26th, 2018 at 6:22 PM ^

Charges we're not filed. What did you want Izzo to do? Hold a press conference to say his players were accused of something and never charged? We don't know of any internal punishment. Obviously he could have kicked them off the team, but if he believes they didn't do anything wrong why would he kick them off? Am I missing something? I hate Izzo but I don't see what he did here in the Payne case that is fireable.

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Steeveebr

January 26th, 2018 at 10:53 PM ^

I think you are missing some key points of the article.

The alleged assault occured in Aug.  In December the prosecuting attorney determined the athletes did nothing wrong. 

However, records show that both freshmen played in every game that year.  So while MSU thought the allegations were legitimate enough to relocate the two players to different housing and to restrict the player's movement, Izzo did not think they were significant enough for the players to miss any playing time to handle their legal issues. 

Add that to the Walton assault case resulting in no discipline and the players "getting talked to" it's a pretty clear picture.

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Geaux_Blue

January 26th, 2018 at 6:37 PM ^

Payne in police interviews acknowledged he knew she was no longer interested and Appling continued. Payne admitted they put her in a bad spot. The very act is a character issue, much less a punishment one. They didn't miss a game.

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