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January 26th, 2018 at 6:16 PM ^
Thing is, Dantonio has glossed over more than Izzo has. They should both be booted (though my petty side would like to whoop Dantonio in EL one more time first).
January 26th, 2018 at 6:44 PM ^
coverage for years in the local media, based on his strong faith and supposed discipline. He was excellent at cultivating that kind of coverage, similar to Tressel.
January 26th, 2018 at 6:54 PM ^
not putting his name in the same sentence with Mike Dantonio
January 26th, 2018 at 7:31 PM ^
Tressel used to funnel Ohio players to him. I bet he's hoping they weren't any of the ones cited.
January 26th, 2018 at 7:38 PM ^
At some point, and I hope soon, I would expect some of the attention to turn on the Freep and other local media that failed to report on most of this, when every reader of this blog had heard rumors about these coaches and many of these players/incidents. The fact that ESPN had to do a lot of the FOIA and investigative legwork is really odd. Usually these things start locally, and then national catches on. It seems incredible (in the true sense of the word) that the writers covering MSU sports didn't have an idea of what was going on.
January 26th, 2018 at 10:55 PM ^
what about those trainer, staff, coach, administrator, school police, local police, Olympic gymnasics organization, there are way more abuse cases there. it's as bad as MSU there.
January 26th, 2018 at 7:41 PM ^
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January 26th, 2018 at 7:37 PM ^
I just very carefully read the full ESPN article, from which (I assume) the OTL is drawn. Honestly, I would be surprised if anyone in the AD of any significance in any way tied to these cases (including Dantonio and Izzo) survives this.
Let me be clear: I really and truly believe that, in isolation, all these things happen at all universities, including here at UM. My thoughts today have often turned to, "yeah, this is not an MSU problem entirely; it's a human problem."
But the sheer scope and breadth and depth, and the culture of silence that was clearly designed to protect MSU sports and MSU's reputation, are staggering. I no longer think this is an ESPN media-grab-hit-piece, as I kind-of did earlier. This looks like a seriously decrepit and corrupted set of institutions at MSU. More heads will roll over the next 7 to 14 days.
January 26th, 2018 at 7:46 PM ^
I agree. This immoral behavior could happen anywhere, but it is getting worse for MSU.
ESPN is digging into the local prosecutor that allegedly gave Payne and Appling a free pass on rape while having season tickets. There is the potential for some sickening institutional issues there.
January 26th, 2018 at 7:51 PM ^
January 26th, 2018 at 8:14 PM ^
I'm starting to think there's stuff like this at a lot of universities that we don't know about. Like doping in cycling. Because local media clearly looked away here. It seems to me like the local scrutiny Michigan was exposed to regarding stretching is almost totally unique in elite D-1 sports.
Not sure if this has popped up elsewhere on the board yet, but wow.
NCAA president Mark Emmert was specifically alerted in November 2010 — six months after he was hired as the organization's president — to 37 reports involving Michigan State athletes sexually assaulting women.
Well then.
January 26th, 2018 at 8:41 PM ^
Well, undeniably, there is literally stuff "like" this at every single university on earth. I remember hearing many years ago (in the 90s, in fact) that UM, MSU, WMU, CMU, etc., were nothing in terms of sexual assaults compared to....LSSU and NMU. Yes, those two universities led the state in per capita sexual assault at one point in the 90s (again, so I remember reading; I have no idea if this holds true today). There were lots of theories why (colder and more indoors, fewer women, etc.), but they were the worst apparently. The difference is in the scope and scale. For every university that has one or two awful incidents that are mishandled, there is a Baylor or MSU, where apparently sweeping these things under the rugs becomes a part of the culture.
January 26th, 2018 at 9:06 PM ^
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January 26th, 2018 at 11:04 PM ^
i can confirm you that UM is not immune to this with my second hand experience. They are probsalby no where near as this bad as MSU. But in a case i knew, when it comes down to university reputation vs. a life, the balance can go to the wrong end. The investigation can be totally go underground.
Many these colleges just have too much power that can influence criminal investigation on their campus. Who gave them those power?
January 27th, 2018 at 12:41 AM ^
January 26th, 2018 at 6:19 PM ^
January 26th, 2018 at 6:31 PM ^
Very.
I can't imagine being the parents of the girl who ended up overdosing. Very impressive that they haven't literally attempted to murder someone at MSU.
January 26th, 2018 at 6:47 PM ^
And then there's the gymnast who was forced to apologize to nassar by her parents and then when her father found out she hadnt been lying he killed himself.
That makes two murders for those keeping score.
January 26th, 2018 at 7:08 PM ^
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January 26th, 2018 at 7:08 PM ^
Glenn Winston sends his regards.
January 26th, 2018 at 6:21 PM ^
January 26th, 2018 at 6:21 PM ^
Who refused to prosecute Appling & Payne currently working in MSU Title IX office!!!! WTH.
January 26th, 2018 at 7:12 PM ^
January 26th, 2018 at 7:16 PM ^
Debra Rousseau Martinez
January 26th, 2018 at 7:49 PM ^
Wow, a favor for giving MSU players a free pass? Lack of institutional control?
January 26th, 2018 at 6:21 PM ^
How as a father do you even allow this from players without wanting to strangle someone? Is winning so important that you allow this behavior?
January 26th, 2018 at 6:32 PM ^
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January 26th, 2018 at 6:41 PM ^
January 26th, 2018 at 6:57 PM ^
why people keep saying "as a father". What the hell does being a father have to do with being against rape or child molestation? Such a weird comment and it's all over.
January 26th, 2018 at 7:07 PM ^
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January 26th, 2018 at 8:16 PM ^
January 26th, 2018 at 8:17 PM ^
When you have kids it is easy, very easy, to imagine things happening to them that come across the news. It has turned into a bit of a cliche, but there is real truth behind it. It's part of the process of empathizing with the victims.
January 26th, 2018 at 6:22 PM ^
This is horrible.
I don't care if it is Michigan State or some random school. These victims must have felt absolutely helpless.
I really hope other schools are not guilty of similar things.
January 26th, 2018 at 6:22 PM ^
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January 26th, 2018 at 10:53 PM ^
I think you are missing some key points of the article.
The alleged assault occured in Aug. In December the prosecuting attorney determined the athletes did nothing wrong.
However, records show that both freshmen played in every game that year. So while MSU thought the allegations were legitimate enough to relocate the two players to different housing and to restrict the player's movement, Izzo did not think they were significant enough for the players to miss any playing time to handle their legal issues.
Add that to the Walton assault case resulting in no discipline and the players "getting talked to" it's a pretty clear picture.
January 26th, 2018 at 6:37 PM ^
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January 26th, 2018 at 7:13 PM ^
Is "mistake" the way to phrase it?