Warde hate seems to be everywhere right now

Submitted by Drenasu on January 25th, 2024 at 9:08 AM

I see a lot of comments all over the place about Warde but many of these comments make me think that the commentors have no exposure to how hiring and retention works at a high level in large organizations. Two things about losing Bakich, Beilein and Harbaugh:

  1. All three of those coaches clearly wanted to coach at what they perceived as the next level, southern college baseball, NBA, and NFL, respectively. You can not make people stay when they don't want to - it is a free country. Money and how you treat people is not always enough to get people to stay if they have a strong desire to do something else. Sometimes it is simply not possible to offer someone what they want - even if you wish you could.

  2. Warde does not have full control over decisions about what he can offer these guys. Possibly he did with Bakich but it's incredibly unlikely he did with higher profile basketball and football. He for sure had to get approval from Schlissel with Beilein and from Santa and the regents for Jim in particular. You can also be sure that the university chief counsel weighed in heavily about the immunity stuff that Jim was supposedly requesting. We simply do not know exactly what happened.  Neither does JUB, for that matter, who seems to be as connected as possible.

Jim could have been asking for a fully guaranteed contract with full immunity for everything:  historical and future, which the university simply should not agree to.  Especially with the NCAA seemingly hellbent to do something to Jim (probably because of his paying the players stance).  You simply can't take that risk - for moral hazard reasons, if nothing else.  Jim (or his agent) could have been demanding these things knowing that we can't say yes, in part, to set negotiations from an advantageous point for Jim but also to give Jim time to explore NFL options. He easily could have dropped some/all of those demands if the NFL hadn't worked out. He literally had all leverage on his side at that point. We obviously couldn't have fired him and moved on - he just won the national championship.

Could more have been done to make Jim 'feel the love' from the university. Probably. There is almost always something more that could be done. Would that have made a difference? Hard to definitively say but given that Harbaugh constantly tried to get an NFL job for the last few off-seasons and very rarely publicly committed to Michigan in the future makes it look like he always wanted to go back to the NFL. That sucks for us fans, but making it seem like Warde absolutely had it in his power to prevent him from leaving simply does not make sense.

That said, Warde has been a mixed bag.  Lots of great stuff with the Olympic sports and he did retain Jim in 2020 when momentum was against him.  Hiring Juwan, at the time, looked like a great move and I don't think you can blame him for hiring him (if you are disposed to do).  Dropping the ball/being slow on Pearson was not so great and maybe we should have moved on from Juwan after the second 'incident'.  Now, it's pretty hard to fire a guy just recovering from heart surgery so we have to see how things play out this year, which admittedly doesn't look good.

I don't know, maybe it's time to move on from Warde, that's for Santa and the regents to say.  I just don't think we have enough information and I'm not convinced that Warde could have done anything that would have changed Jim's mind.  Sometimes great employees just leave no matter what you do - that's just how the workplace is sometimes.  Personally, I'd be inclined to take a look at what other other potential ADs are out there and think about how Warde stacks up vs the other options, but the 'fire Warde into the sun' crowd seems off-base at this point.

Bluesince89

January 25th, 2024 at 9:42 AM ^

My brother in Christ, I am an employment attorney who frequently negotiates executive level contracts both for the executives and on behalf of the corporations. If Harbaugh's contractual demands are what is reported, Warde, as essentially the VP of a large division of a corporation, in no way, shape, or form had the authority to give Harbaugh what he wanted without significant input from Ono, the Regents, inside and outside legal counsel, and a host of other stakeholders.

NeverPunt

January 25th, 2024 at 9:26 AM ^

If your star employee is wanting to stay but feeling like he doesn't have job security because the regulators seem to have it out for him....and he's getting great offers from your competitors to take a role with them, you have a choice. You can make it almost impossible for him to leave and do whatever it takes to keep him, or you can stand on principle, cover the company's ass,  and know that he might leave for a better situation. For better or for worse this was the choice that Warde had to face. I don't buy for a second that Jim was always leaving for the NFL. If the NFL came calling with a good situation he was going to be VERY interested no matter what, but the reporting from Angelique saying that Warde refused for weeks to give in to what Jim was asking for shows the choice he made. You can make persuasive arguments for why that was the right choice by Warde, but it resulted in what we have now. So he certainly deserves critique and while he's been an ok AD, I'm not sure he's the guy to lead Michigan athteltics through the tumultuous times ahead, as he seems to be too practical and by the book.

Double-D

January 25th, 2024 at 9:38 AM ^

Warde lacks leadership.

OSU is going out and grabbing a maverick AD that pushes the envelope on NIL because the taste of defeat sucks so bad.  It may or may not work but I prefer bold if it includes smart.

Worse is the insinuation from the Harbaugh camp that this is on Warde. There are reasons for that. And they are not too hard to connect but it involves trust. 

Blinkin

January 25th, 2024 at 9:58 AM ^

Exactly.  Almost every football head coach would take an NFL HC job over a P5 college HC job, no questions asked.  The money is better and you don't have to recruit or deal with the NCAA.  The career arcs of people like Matt Rhule, Urban Meyer, and Nick Saban all prove that in the VAST majority of cases, the CFB coaches who get NFL opportunities only go back to college if they fail in the NFL.  

Unfortunately for Michigan, Harbaugh was successful in the NFL.  He had a choice to return to the NFL, and vanishingly few college coaches would not have done the same.

NeverPunt

January 25th, 2024 at 10:18 AM ^

That may well be - again I'm not saying Warde did the wrong thing. He seemingly played it by the book, stuck to his guns, tried to protect the university. Even wondering if it is the wrong thing to do implies there is a wrong thing to do here. I think the question of his handling of this isn't about right vs wrong but is about what does his actions as far as we know them say about his philosophy as an AD.

Is that the guy who is going to take the lead on paying players a share of TV revenue? Is he the guy who is going to mobilize NIL collectives to keep players from being ripped off our roster when the next wave of money cannons fire? Is he the guy who will navigate the uncertain waters when the inevitable next wave of realignment comes? Will he step in and tell the NCAA to kick rocks if they come after us again? - and they will. I'm willing to bet there's a better AD out there for these questions, and that's not saying Warde sucks, but if we are wondering who the next right person for the job is, I'm not sure he's your strongest candidate

HL2VCTRS

January 25th, 2024 at 9:28 AM ^

Logic has no place here. We just won the national championship and parts of our fan base are hell bent on being miserable and blaming everybody for everything. 

nerv

January 25th, 2024 at 9:44 AM ^

We cant even win without a firestorm though. The wide world of sports has been invalidating our season since before we won the title. We got all of one night to enjoy it before all the rumors and everything started to hit the fan. It really doesn't feel like we won much at all at this point.

irishwolverine

January 25th, 2024 at 9:29 AM ^

I'm no fan of Warde, but we should give him some credit for the past three years. If some had their way in 2020 (Ace Anbender et al.), we would have hired the Iowa State coach and not won three Big 10 championships and a National Championship. Warde held the course on Harbaugh against some decently strong headwinds and should be credited for that decision. 

98xj

January 25th, 2024 at 9:33 AM ^

The University (not the AD), even after 10 years of Harbaugh, was still not ready to "ride or die" with Jim on his Mission to reinvent College Football. The goals were lofty, and the consequences (leave B1G, blow-up NCAA/cheaters, start a new System) were quite dire. Maybe someone else will accept the Challenge.....

The Blue Collar

January 25th, 2024 at 9:34 AM ^

There's a lot of "It's not Warde's fault" for this and that and the other thing going around and very, very little "Warde did this well!" 

A list of bad or perceived bad things that may or may not be somebody's fault is not a good look for that somebody.

LloydCarnac

January 25th, 2024 at 9:35 AM ^

It's always amusing when those who know zero about the job activities and responsibilities of an AD call for their firing. It's as if Warde Manual is the most powerful person at UM, omnipotent in all of athletics, and is beholden solely to scruffy mutts of MGBl (as they unceasingly howl at the moon or its absence). Warde Manual is the best AD UM has had for decades, and we are lucky to have him. I'm grateful for his contributions and tenure here, including all of the championships and graduations that have occurred.

crg

January 25th, 2024 at 9:35 AM ^

The AD is, in part, meant to take this kind of heat (rightly or wrongly).  Warde has earned some of the criticism and some of it is merely misguided projection from fans.

This has been true for almost every AD at Michigan.

MeanJoe07

January 25th, 2024 at 9:35 AM ^

There's excuses for everything. Some even might be valid, but they're all irrelevant. The AD has a job. The results were bad. I don't care what the excuse is.  If you're getting paid $1.1M per year then you better provide some fucking results. Being one of the few teams ever to lose a National Championship winning coach in the same year he won it is bad.  All the other things are bad too.  Fire his ass. "Oh Oh Oh but but but we won a championship and graduation rates and he doesn't have all the power and his job is to manage the entire program blah blah and blah".  I didn't see him on the field.  They won despite him obviously. Harbaugh hated him.  All the best coaches are leaving.  Historically good coaches. Who has he hired and retained that wasn't an obvious successor. He's a putz. Any warm body could have achieved the same results. 

BananaRepublic

January 25th, 2024 at 9:37 AM ^

I get that everyone wants to make excuses and say it was OK for the university to play hardball with a legendary coach who had a ton of leverage but those people are stupid. Yes, Warde is not exclusively responsible for this but he has a lot of say in the tone and tenor of how these negotiations unfolded over the last couple years. 

Based on how the news broke over the course of the day yesterday with regard to what Michigan was finally willing to offer, it seems obvious that the AC story that John Bacon tweeted has quite a bit of truth to it. Maybe Jim was always going to leave but the University dicked him around while he was courting other offers, that's not a great strategy to retain a legendary coach. Pair this with how the university turtled on Partridge for no real reason outside of optics then suspended Harbaugh due to totally off-base B1G snap allegations and it's very easy to see why Jim might not feel like the school has his back the way the school is very clearly trying to assure the fans that it does. 

All of the above spinelessness and wildly misplaced belligerence in negotiation tactics aside, Warde has presided over the collapse of the basketball program (whose now clearly inept coach he appears willing to stand behind still) and the exit of 3-4 (depending on whom one asks) absolutely fantastic Michigan coaches from a variety of sports. He appears to also suck when it comes to NIL. What is the argument in favor of Warde Manuel besides "other guys messed up some things too!!!"?

nerv

January 25th, 2024 at 9:38 AM ^

Warde oversaw perhaps our best ever coach in three different sports leave during his tenure. He seemed to sit on his hands inactive during all of the 'investigations' and BS that was flowing out of the media & conference. I guess he may have something to do with the peak of all 3 of those programs, but that period is over and the regression has hit hard for bball & baseball and now its footballs turn. Not sure what else needs to go south before we look elsewhere for an AD.

sdogg1m

January 25th, 2024 at 9:39 AM ^

If John Bacon's post is true then Warde must be fired as he is a liability to the school. Even if it weren't true he should still be let go.

Warde is passive in the way he conducts business and this has hurt Michigan particularly with the unjust suspensions of Harbaugh this season. The football team had to endure a lot to earn this championship, no thanks to Warde.

Warde hired Juwan Howard, a man who had zero head coaching experience and has turned Michigan basketball into irrelevance. Many Michigan fans wanted to see Howard succeed due to his being apart of Michigan history but the hire itself in light of his coaching resume was foolish in hindsight.

Warde was never seen as having a great relationship with Jim Harbaugh and also seen having dinner with Jim Stapleton, a man who reportedly has a grudge with Harbaugh. This is an exercise of poor judgement.

Finally, a lot has been made of how little fans know and that may be true but what hasn't taken place is a correcting of the record. My post could be 100% wrong and we wouldn't know. We wouldn't know because of Warde's passiveness and failure to address hot button issues publicly.

JHumich

January 25th, 2024 at 9:40 AM ^

Oh shut up. They offered what was asked after it was too late. Could have done it all along then, couldn't they? Tells you all you need to know.

1. We can have opinions

2. This opinion was justified

3. Stop being haughty toward us for it. 

ColoradoBlue

January 25th, 2024 at 9:42 AM ^

Warde doesn't do himself any favors by his desire to remain as under-the-radar as possible.  He seldom makes any public statements at all, and when he does, they come late and in a tone that seem written by generative AI.  He just appears to be milquetoast.  That's probably unfair, but that personality and lack of presence doesn't give us fans a lot of confidence heading into this stage of college athletics.

thisisme08

January 25th, 2024 at 9:42 AM ^

My ire with Warde is/has been his silence on [insert anti-Michigan topic] and in turn, Michigan being steam rolled into the ground amongst it's peers and/or the media.  I simply do not believe he is this grand "back room" negotiator and think someone at a Top 10 P5 school, needs to advocate for you know, their school using any method at their disposal; see any AD for a SEC school for example. 

Apparently I missed the info regarding the team banquet and his absence but even with the S. Ross connection, that is unacceptable behavior given what has transpired this year.  Personally, this stands up there with B. Martin taking a sail boat trip when he had one job to do which was to replace a legendary coach.    

I will end with adding that Dave Heeke, former AD @ CMU who hired B. Kelly & B. Jones, was pushed out at Arizona for exactly this scenario as the boosters thought he did not do enough to keep Fisch.  Will this happen to Warde? Doubtful and welcome back BPONE; I've missed you. 

 

    

iMBlue2

January 25th, 2024 at 9:57 AM ^

He isn’t do his job well, played games and only gave into when the decision was already made…a move that appears on its surface to serve as insulation to criticism.  Yes large organizations are rife with ineptitude and spin, normal people can see through this and have an opinion on that matter.  Keep holding water for the guy but you are going to change your tune if this hire doesn’t work out.  

EikMelynai

January 25th, 2024 at 9:45 AM ^

Warde will get a bum rap, deserved or not, because this happened on his watch. Jim wants to win a Super Bowl and that’s the primary reason he left. Unfortunately for Warde, there are fans that either don’t know this or can’t accept this. 

goblue2121

January 25th, 2024 at 9:46 AM ^

You're trying to tell me that people on the internet may have no idea what they're talking about? Like when M should of hired Matt Cambell? Or when M should run an air raid offense in shitty weather? Or that they will never beat Bama and OSU without more 5 stars? No way. /s

pdgoblue25

January 25th, 2024 at 9:49 AM ^

The two best coaches in school history have left on his watch.  Whatever amount of hate he's receiving should be doubled

Yes, i'm bitter

The news of the contract offer was purposely released to pretend that he did something, I don't see how this could be argued.

Wendyk5

January 25th, 2024 at 9:49 AM ^

If there's one thing I've learned through myriad posts on all things Harbaugh over the last three or so years, it's that people want answers and like certainty. There is none of that here, and there never has been. So people fill in the blanks with the narrative they want to hear. Unless you work in the athletic department, close to Warde and Harbaugh, I don't know how you'd know what their relationship really was. Think of all the people you work with and the various dynamics that exist in all those relationships. Maybe Harbaugh didn't like Warde, maybe he was pissed that Warde gave him a pay cut (rightly so but I think everyone here would agree that Warde acted in that situation. The only other thing he could've done is fired Harbaugh). I don't know if Warde is good at his job, and I also think that the job can be done in different ways -- a front man, a behind-the-scenes man, a negotiator, a personality, etc.... He's never going to please everyone.