U-M has attempted just one pass over 30 yards in each of the last 4 games

Submitted by denardsdreads on November 3rd, 2019 at 10:40 AM

At what point does Michigan's outright refusal to throw the ball downfield become a problem? The run game is getting revved up and looks good but the refusal/inability to throw the ball downfield more seems alarming. 

Thoughts? Comments? Concerns?

denardsdreads

November 3rd, 2019 at 10:49 AM ^

I don't get it either. U-M waited until it was too late against Wisconsin to try it and low and behold they had success doing it. Think about it, in the Iowa, PSU, and Maryland games they threw one deep ball all game, each time to Nico Collins, each time a completion, and then never went back to it. They did it once against ND and it was a PI call. Other than that everything has been within 10-15 yards from the LOS. 

denardsdreads

November 3rd, 2019 at 1:20 PM ^

This post is big facts. 

But it is sort of impressive how he managed to take a post defending Shea Patterson and turn it into a negative and a hilariously bad argument about recruiting rankings. Don't see people shit down their leg like that too often.

mich_wolv95

November 3rd, 2019 at 1:27 PM ^

What was my argument about recruiting rankings? I agree that recruiting more 4 and 5 star players than not makes you a contender for a national championship, which Michigan does. What I don't need is bad-faith arguments created by a guy who has been banned from this and other sites dozens of times constantly filling the board.

You did the same thing over on 247 earlier this season. Your new schtick is to place all the blame on Gattis because Michigan has 9 top 247 starters on their offense and the fact that they weren't performing as well hurts your narrative. Thus, all the blame goes to the scheme and coaches, and any criticism of how the players actually play is immediately dismissed as "slander."

denardsdreads

November 3rd, 2019 at 1:40 PM ^

It appears you have me confused with someone else as I just joined the site. As far as who deserves more criticism when the team doesn't perform I'd say this: the coaches are the ones who recruit the players and get paid millions of dollars to put them in the best position to succeed. 

I'd see a medical professional about all that anger if I were you. 

TheDirtyD

November 3rd, 2019 at 11:16 AM ^

Well, one of the games was a monsoon and throwing the ball in a downpour doesn't go well just ask Ian Book. Maryland the defense was left on the field a lot in the first half so controlling the ball and giving them a chance to rest I'm sure was part of it, they paved Illinois on the ground so why re-invent the wheel and PSU covered everything deep attempting to not break and just bend. Forcing the ball to just force it sometimes isn't the best idea despite Brian's mentality. Turnovers kill momentum, morale and confidence. Sometimes the coaches know more than the people paying to watch the games.

denardsdreads

November 3rd, 2019 at 11:10 AM ^

I heard this last year. 

Maryland came into yesterday with the 115th ranked pass defense in the country. Opposing QBs this season have completed 65.0 percent of their attempts for 273.6 yards per game, 8.2 YPA and a passer rating of 148.75 against them. 

Shea Patterson averaged 6.9 YPP and U-M gained 330 total yards.

The coaches have to start throwing the ball downfield more. Their refusal to do so makes me think they don't care about opponent scouting reports and don't want to tweak their offensive game-plan against anyone. 

Phaedrus

November 3rd, 2019 at 2:20 PM ^

Belichick would not be able to employ the strategy he uses in the pros at the college level. When your players are still learning and you have limited practice time, you can’t have a playbook as deep as the New England Patriots. Not even other NFL teams are able to be as diverse as the Patriots, so it’s entirely unreasonable to expect a college team to do so.

I think there is a fair criticism to say the coaches don’t come out with the best gameplans vs. weak competition, but perhaps you should use another college team as your point of comparison. 

massblue

November 3rd, 2019 at 12:03 PM ^

Thank you so much for such an insightful comment.  We had completely  forgotten that as coaches we "have to start throwing the ball downfield."  I am puzzled as to why were are not following your recommendation. I'll make sure to bring it up during the next team meeting

Sincerely,
Jim Harbaugh
J. Ira and Nicki Harris Family Head Football Coach

nmwolverine

November 3rd, 2019 at 5:40 PM ^

Hello denardsdreads. What to do when a troll (you) and other trolls (deepbluec, gomblog) dominate the thread.  I wonder if you are all of them.  I won't attack your arguments because you post not to argue but to irritate.  No I do not have an anger problem, one of your attack memes.  But I want you and your aliases gone.  Stop coming here and talking to yourself.  Leave and never come back.  Your new response (I couldn't be that old poster, I am new to this site) is funny.  

Jason80

November 3rd, 2019 at 2:24 PM ^

Yeah football coaches are known for being a group of professionals that "don't care" about things like scouting an opponent or making schematic adjustments based on what a team is capable of or beliefs about what other teams may do. That's why coaches go home as soon as practice ends and don't think about football or the team again until the next day when they squeeze into the old pair of Bike shorts and put the whistle over the head.

Instead of posting on here how about you head over to Schembechler Hall and talk to Coach Gattis about your hypothesis.

Ghost of Fritz…

November 3rd, 2019 at 1:17 PM ^

Exactly.  8 or 9 in the box is the way to defend against Michigan.  60%+ running.  Most of the pass plays M calls are shortish.  An offense premised on stringing together drives instead of explosive plays. 

Gatt/baugh will sometimes adjust, but it might take three consecutive three and out drives to bring the adjustment.

The stuff that Gatt/baugh seems to want to do over the last 3 games would work even better if they could keep Ds more honest with a few more successful 20+ pass calls, plus a handful more 30+ pass calls.

Who would really believe that the type of thing they are trying to do would not be much harder to defend if they could add in just a little more explosiveness/long gain attempts in the passing game?

 

brick9

November 3rd, 2019 at 1:58 PM ^

The QB may be reluctant to throw it deep. There is also a chance that the coaches discourage it. However I lean more towards the former. Shea has been quoted as saying he's taking what the defense is giving. When D Mac came in one of his first passes against Maryland was a deep shot down the sideline (well covered and incomplete). When Milton threw his touchdown it was a 30+ yd corner route. When watching the game we don't often see all the routes unless their is a replay focusing in on the routes. I'm not at the games so I'm watching on TV. So I believe there are routes that go beyond 20+ yds however the ball just isn't thrown there. 1 more example of a replay of a 20+ yd throw is the throw from Shea to DPJ over the middle against PSU. The route was ell down the field and open initially but wasn't thrown. Shea scrambled and threw late and the pass was broken up. Had he thrown it on time, DPJ has 20 on the catch and possibly 10 or more YAC.

Ghost of Fritz…

November 3rd, 2019 at 2:14 PM ^

I agree that Shea is not the best ever at longer pass plays.  But is is not terrible either.  Certainly he is not so bad at them that they can only be done a couple of times per game.

Someone else posted the Shea had the highest long pass completion rate in 2018 of the returning Big Ten 2019 QBs.  So the narrative that Shea is just not capable to doing this stuff seems wrong.  He was pretty good at it in 2018.  Shea was over 50% completions in 2018 on long balls. 

Anyway, failing to better develop a long pass play/explosive pass play threat has its own risk--opponents don't have to worry about defending the whole field and just stack the box.  Does not matter against Maryland.  But against good D's...that spells disaster. 

Maybe the oblique thing made long-ish and long balls more risky in much of 2019 for Shea.  Who knows?

NeverPunt

November 3rd, 2019 at 10:46 AM ^

It’s fairly inexplicable given that the pass protection has been pretty good and these WRs can catch em. Unless its something to do with Shea’s ability or health you’d think that taking deep shots 3-4 a game would be a minimum, though ND it wasn’t really possible with weather

aiglick

November 3rd, 2019 at 10:50 AM ^

Yeah I think this is valid criticism. I guess maybe they are concerned about protecting the tackles but they had a pretty good day in pass pro against PSU I thought and they have a great pass rush. I wonder what the connection rate has been on the long bomb, seems like it has worked pretty well for us.