Teekahty

September 6th, 2020 at 7:37 PM ^

Did anyone catch the interview with

Dr. Chris Hutchinson (Yes , that one) this morning? 

this whole thing makes us look awful , and there’s more than just “ health issues” involved in these decisions,

now is not the time for decision makers to be hiding , if the leaders responsible for making this monumental decision cannot stand up and state the reasons behind it , without being sued to do so , perhaps they should not be responsible for making them, 

imagine a big ten season going forward without us , imagine the repercussions long term 
 

 

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L'Carpetron Do…

September 6th, 2020 at 7:47 PM ^

These are tough decisions. And as much as it sucks to not have a season (at least in the immediate future) it's probably the right call. 

The calculation is pretty simple: we didn't get cases down enough and they're still spreading. Cases are tearing through college campuses and rapid testing is not readily available as of now. 

We shouldn't do anything else - especially non-essential things like sports- that might contribute to the continued spread of this horrible disease. If we get the cases down and its safe to do it in a few months, let's do it. Until then, we have to act with caution. 

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L'Carpetron Do…

September 6th, 2020 at 10:30 PM ^

It's September and the US still has thousands of new cases every day and of course, every few hundred new cases will result in a handful of deaths (JHU has a fatality:observed cases of 3% in the U.S.). Those numbers are much lower among college students, but still, the spread is dangerous.

Michigan may be doing well with containing the virus, but other B1G teams are not. It would suck for Michigan to go through all the protocols and then go up against say, Iowa, which is seeing massive outbreaks in IC and around the state, and then poof! all of Michigan's hard work goes out the window and they return to campus infected with corona. 

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uminks

September 7th, 2020 at 1:49 AM ^

Actually IA only averages about 1000 new cases per day. I think Michigan is around 800 per day, so not much difference but per 100,000 it would be.. Kansas now has about 1200 new cases per day and Kansas like Michigan is a face mask mandatory state, IA is not. I think there was a large outbreak near Ames, last week, probably due to ISU opening up, so that should be expected. But there was big rumor that ISU medical hospital ICU was overflowing, so you have to dig deeper for real news and facts, not fake news. https://www.press-citizen.com/story/news/2020/07/16/coronavirus-university-iowa-hospitals-clinics-icu-bed-rumor-not-true/5442900002/

 

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L'Carpetron Do…

September 7th, 2020 at 1:21 PM ^

Thanks, but I live in Iowa and this shit ain't fake news. One thousand+ new cases a day is a pretty serious outbreak for a place like this.  My comparison was more program-to-program/college-town-to-college-town rather than state to state. If AA was doing siginificantly better than IC, you wouldn't want to jeopardize that progress by doing something as unnecessary as playing sports. Then Iowa's infection is Michigan's and vice versa. 

You;re also ignoring the fact that Iowa and Kansas are largely rural states with small populations and low population density, they should've been able to take care of this months ago. 

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I Like Burgers

September 6th, 2020 at 10:37 PM ^

The Big Ten has repeatedly explained in more and more detail with every subsequent press release their rational for cancelling the season.  But people don't want to believe any of it because they have their preconceived notions about WHATS REALLY GOING ON HERE GUYS and then say/post dumb things like 80% of what you just posted.

 

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xtramelanin

September 6th, 2020 at 7:47 PM ^

i don't want to make this it's own thread but it's at least tangentially related to whether the B10 might play this fall.  i was curious what has been the results of football being allowed in other states.  i know utah started earlier than all the others.  i want to skip the 'disaster v. no problem' debate if possible.  AFIK, there have been no bad reports about anything tied to high school football - no deaths from covid or wildfire outbreaks.  

i found a link to a utah paper/recent article.  it is here: https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/09/04/utahs-rate-new/

you can glean some numbers from the article - peak hospitalizations were at 211 at the end of july and have trended down to just over half of that (121) despite football having had 4 weeks of play.  i wonder what other states are reporting.  i mean, if high schools can do it, it would seem that colleges should - if there is any discipline such as our team seems to exercises.  anyway, food for thought and hopefully thoughtful discussion. 

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xtramelanin

September 6th, 2020 at 9:09 PM ^

trailing up, but nothing remarkable AFIK.  and like you say, i can't find anything that in any way ties any numbers going up into h.s. football.  i would add that '# of cases' is not a worthwhile statistic without substantially more context.  this virus will be with us for years so as long as we test there will always be some # of cases. 

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MI Expat NY

September 7th, 2020 at 9:36 AM ^

20-25% increase is still notable especially since on a per population basis, Utah's numbers were fairly high already.

I can't say it is because of football, because it is simply too small to identify as the root cause among other changes, most notably schools opening.  But the point is it is another instance of lack of social distancing and community connections, and those lead to more cases.  That's a simple fact.  People could do their part to balance it, maybe skip other social gatherings, continue to work from home, etc.  But that would generally require a sense of selflessness that Americans tend to lack.  See the insistence that something as trivial as amateur sports must go forward (and I love amateur sports!).

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Bergs

September 6th, 2020 at 10:33 PM ^

I'm not here to take a stance on the issue of whether or not there should be a season, but I would like to push back on the idea that 4 weeks of data is somehow sufficient. If you'll remember, at the end of May ABC reporter (and Michigan alum) Eric Strauss sent out a tweet claiming ABC looked at 21 states that "reopened" 3-4 weeks earlier and found there were no major increases in hospitalizations, deaths, or % positivity. This tweet blew up, with people using it as evidence to claim that shutdowns don't work and that all states should reopen. Well, lo and behold, several weeks later the majority of these states saw an explosion in % positivity and, consequently, deaths.

I'm not suggesting that Utah is going to see a massive increase in cases and deaths due to football, but what I am suggesting is that it's premature to use 4 weeks of data to draw any firm conclusions. 

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uminks

September 7th, 2020 at 1:00 AM ^

I agree with you. It was way too early for Michigan to ditch the entire season. Especially when they teased us the week before with the all B1G schedule only to pull the rug out from the players, coaches and fans. They could of just went week to week and even if they started in mid October that would be fine. It is starting to look like the reason was other than student athlete safety. It was probably due to fear of litigation against the University. 

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uminks

September 7th, 2020 at 2:05 AM ^

The Aussie guy use to have the Harbaugh train, Choo Choo MOFU avitar. Looks like some of those waiting for the train got plowed under, may have some broken bones. At first I thought another train was coming along the other edge of the Island, since some of these people were thrown onto those tracks.

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Mgoblog93

September 6th, 2020 at 7:58 PM ^

Lol!!  I can totally see this happening!  Schlissel still believing he’s smarter that the room and singlehandedly destroying Michigan sports out of pure ego!  Wonder if he’ll die on his hill and cancel basketball too?

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Jon06

September 6th, 2020 at 8:20 PM ^

They shouldn't have acknowledged talking to him, and they certainly shouldn't have claimed to have had a productive conversation with him. They were just asking to be made a part of this circus. That's much more of a firing offense than canceling the season was.

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