Preacher Mike

February 1st, 2023 at 1:55 PM ^

Seriously, it was a super tight back and forth game. And there is no shame in losing to a team with as much talent as ND in a bowl game. Bottom line, Harbor will get all the development he needs at SC and get to the NFL if he wants. He will get to play top tier programs in the SEC and will play Clemson every year, too. And the chances that Michigan wins a natty in the next four years are still quite slim despite being the best they've been in awhile.

Imjesayin

February 1st, 2023 at 3:05 PM ^

By Preacher Mike's standard, S. Carolina's loss to Notre Dame was a "monster loss."

PM said:

Ummm, they [S. Carolina] had two monster wins at the end of the season

Those "monster wins" were: 63-38 over Tennessee, and 31-30 over Clemson. To him, "monster" must not refer to points, since they beat Clemson by only 1 point. So I used the same standard. They lost to Notre Dame 45-38, which is a 7 point loss. Therefore, using his standard, that was a "monster loss" to Notre Dame. You're welcome for the lesson.

 

 

schreibee

February 1st, 2023 at 1:33 PM ^

In yesterday's post & thread about whether this young man would really ever go to Michigan, the track angle was dissected with great specificity, by people who appeared to actually know what Harbor ran vs other recent Olympic hopefuls at similar ages.

In their informed opinions his planning to put track as a priority over football was a pipedream - his times are nearly a full second behind others in a sport where times are measured to the tenths & hundreds of seconds. 

For myself, without any knowledge of whether his Olympic hopes are realistic, as soon as he said keeping his weight below 220 was his 1st priority I lowered my interest in him as a croot by 70%.

He was 1st billed as a can't miss, potential high round 1 pick as an Edge, who could provide bonus value by being used some on offense. When that changed to tall/fast athlete with no interest in playing D & marginal skills on O, well... I mean I'd take him sure, but this guy is not Megatron 2.0.

 

OuldSod

February 1st, 2023 at 2:01 PM ^

I was one of those people. I don't think you accurately describe the discussion.

Harbor has times for his age comparable to U.S. Olympic sprinters in HS. He can probably qualify for the U.S. Trials. It's just that typically, it takes several additional years of development to perform consistently at a higher level. It's extremely unlikely he has this breakthrough next year. But he's absolutely an Olympic level talent. If he focused on track I'd expect him to be top 8 in the U.S. professional ranks in a few years. 

schreibee

February 1st, 2023 at 2:22 PM ^

"In a few years" i.e. after his football eligibility would have expired anyway! 

It's a pipedream to be back burnering football to shoot for the '24 Olympics - this isn't my informed take, it's yours

My entire point was if he's placing higher priority on making the '24 Olympics than he is playing football, to the point he wants to keep his weight below 220 - this isn't a huge loss for Michigan football. 

At least not for the 2023 season. Maybe in '24 he puts track on the back burner & starts to get himself in condition to play Edge? Then I want to offer him all the NIL to transfer to Michigan! 

NRK

February 1st, 2023 at 1:34 PM ^

Yeah, they were nice wins (Clemson, ehhh, they were massively over rated), but let's not pretend like a program that hasn't won double-digit games since 2013 is about to turn into some powerhouse. They've done a nice job getting recruits the past 2 classes, but it's going to take some time given where they were under Muschamp. Rattler returning on his Nth year of eligibility somehow might keep them afloat, but they just have a talent gap still.

Bo Harbaugh

February 1st, 2023 at 1:34 PM ^

No they won’t.  Bama until Saban leaves and UGA 2 tiers above SC.

SC lucky to compete with LSU and UF and Tennessee for next SEC upstart - but remember UT and Oklahoma joining the conference soon.  
 

Having Clemson in state competing further for same recruits makes the SC job even harder.