steviebrownfor…

March 15th, 2024 at 8:17 AM ^

They hired a firm to assess the culture?  What does the AD staff even do?

That has to have been the quickest & easiest "culture assessment" possible:  after our assessment, we have determine the culture around the basketball program is, in fact, not good.

jonnyknox

March 15th, 2024 at 11:10 AM ^

Given the Sanderson incident and the risk of litigation, I would make sure that I had a clear vision of the situation before letting the employee know.  This is a good time to keep the lawyers in the office in the loop.  This increases the probability of a firing considerably and just has the appearance of moving on.    

With the tournament starting, I wonder how that will impact the timing?

 

rc90

March 15th, 2024 at 8:36 AM ^

Or to put in writing what everyone has understood for a while. The old joke was that you hire consultants to look at your watch and tell you the time.

This makes it sound like Warde wants to fire Juwan but for some reason thinks he needs documentation. 

Wendyk5

March 15th, 2024 at 10:23 AM ^

Yeah, this is pretty much standard business practice. The wide world of consultants. It also protects companies from legal action (not saying this is the case here, but people can be litigious when they get fired, so an impartial opinion can counter perceived bias). 

Parkinen

March 15th, 2024 at 1:58 PM ^

It's a fig leaf for management.  

As a former management type, I don't know how you evaluate culture in these circumstances.  More than likely the current culture is a product of the fact that you just completed a dismal season.  Or is the dismal season a product of the culture?  Who knows.  I do know that if you start winning games a lot of this stuff fixes itself.  

bronxblue

March 15th, 2024 at 9:33 AM ^

I swear people keep being surprised that a school would want to cover their bases before firing someone.

Maybe they retain Howard for some stupid reasons, maybe this culture assessment gives them actionable reasons to fire Howard, I don't know.  But it shouldn't shock anyone that a school would do this.

WindyCityBlue

March 15th, 2024 at 10:03 AM ^

Agreed! Having been "one of the Bobs" and experience starting my own company, I learned it is surprisingly easy to let someone go legally.  As long as the reason is not related to gender, race, etc., you can let people go fairly quickly without major risk of legal recourse. 

With that, Juwan Howard is in a completely different league compared to most other every-day workers.  He has a contract, a big contract at that.  He is also a POC which, in my experience, requires extra thought/care when deciding to let him go.  The actions that the AD is taking is quite prudent when considering these factors.

bronxblue

March 15th, 2024 at 11:11 AM ^

Yeah, I'm less concerned about Howard's race in this case since his boss is also a POC.  But he's got a big contract and letting him go is politically thorny because people at UM do legitimately like him for his connection to the program's legacy.

What does bother me about this investigation is that it feels like they're going to, for lack of a better word, try to to rat fuck him out of a contract payout due to culture/off-court issues instead of just firing him for his poor performance on it.  It's a bit like what happened with Mel Tucker - he's a massive creep but had his team gone 10-2 instead of 5-7 the year before my guess is the AD would have fought harder for him.  If you want to fire someone, fire him for the reasons that exist and don't try to fabricate some bigger reason that you didn't have a problem with while winning.  Hell, I still remember this place trotting out the "maybe Harbaugh is suffering from CTE" argument as a reason to let him go instead of just saying "he went 2-4 and the team is trending down", which was the reason people wanted him gone.

Fire Howard because he just fielded the worst team in UM history and probably won't make them any better next year.  But I am a bit nervous that they'll dig up some "he yelled at players and was a bit of a bully" as if that doesn't describe 95% of college coaches.   

rc90

March 15th, 2024 at 12:14 PM ^

This is all a fair point that I hadn't really thought about. Apparently Howard's buyout is $3 million. That's not a trivial sum, but it's also not Tucker-level money. Or to put it differently, you don't spend $1 million on consultants to worst-case save yourself $3 million.

ESNY

March 15th, 2024 at 1:11 PM ^

Considering who Howard is, I can’t imagine they would try to fire him for cause and avoiding paying him just for the message it sends to a revered former player and member of the fab five. Perhaps it is cover to push back on alumni/donors who aren’t yet swayed by the miserable record and godawful basketball being played and they can say “see it’s bigger than just our record”

trueblueintexas

March 15th, 2024 at 11:32 AM ^

The funny thing about this comment is there is a very broad and deep collection of experience, knowledge, and talent on this board. We probably could create a very good cross-industry consulting firm which would be top notch in a lot of fields. 

The one potential issue would be every recommendation would start with firing Warde. I could see  the leadership teams at Apple, Boeing, Microsoft, Google, Amazon, etc all asking,
"who is this Warde guy you want us to fire immediately and why is he so harmful to our company?"

AC1997

March 15th, 2024 at 9:04 AM ^

I would also like to defend Quinn a little based on your "spartoon" comment.  While it is true that Brenden has been known to write a lot of pro-MSU pieces over the years, he's always been very pro-Michigan too.  He did a podcast on UMHoops with Dylan for almost a decade and wrote plenty of pro-Michigan stuff.  The reason he comes off as so Sparty favorable??  THEY GIVE HIM ACCESS!!  

Among Juwan's many failings is his complete ineptitude when it comes to PR.  While I totally understand that's a shitty part of being a head coach, it is a really critical one - and even more critical in this era of NIL and the portal.  Juwan never talks to the media, never says one interesting thing, never let's us inside his bubble to see what kind of person or coach he is, never shares his vision for the program, never sucks up to donors for support, etc.  As a result, when times get tough there isn't one person out here advocating for him to stay.  

Izzo is a slimeball that I would never send my kids to play for because of how he treats his players on the court and the fact that he hasn't improved someone's pro potential in almost a decade.....but he works his PR muscles better than anyone.  Media, fans, donors, boosters, admin all defend his failings and pat him on the head like the troll he is because he works hard to keep them engaged.  

GoBlue96

March 15th, 2024 at 10:29 AM ^

Not sure on the Michigan side.  I'd say Nick B. is closer to the football program.  Quinn definitely is on the Michigan State side.  As described above Izzo wants a close relationship with the media and he basically is the athletic department there.  Also, the leak of this story wasn't coming from Michigan.  This was the Michigan State game week and they were extremely concerned about player safety....

Hensons Mobile…

March 15th, 2024 at 10:33 AM ^

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2024/01/08/michigan-sign-stealing-scandal-jim-harbaugh-suspended-connor-stalions-big-ten-ncaa/72134775007/

Oct. 19Yahoo Sports breaks the story that Michigan is being investigated by the NCAA for impermissible in-person scouting.

I don't have an Athletic subscription so I can't read the Quinn story. Not sure if he cited "sources" like Yahoo did. If Quinn cited "sources" then he had a source other than Yahoo, but he wasn't first.

GoBlue96

March 15th, 2024 at 10:55 AM ^

This one from his article screams Michigan State source:

"One source who was briefed on the allegation said Michigan is being accused of using a “vast network” to steal opposing teams’ signs. The alleged evidence appears to suggest UM had knowledge of what play an opposing team was going to run before the play occurs."

They both posted the story around noon on 19th.  

los barcos

March 15th, 2024 at 10:21 AM ^

Yeah, people who say Quinn is a "spartoon" don't understand the difference between a national writer and Sam Webb. 

Also, people upset about Quinn reporting that MSU wanted to cancel the football game for safety reasons -- we know that was said, because the AD came out later and said it. Is he...not supposed to report that? It was news -- and, it made MSU look dumb too.