outsidethebox

September 16th, 2023 at 8:40 AM ^

This is a misinformed response-willful or otherwise. Michigan's employment of NIL is generally different from many/most other programs. This compromises recruitment a bit but mitigates a huge set of problems down the road. Catalyzing the talents of 18-23 year olds into high level play is tricky business and, here, Jim Harbaugh and his staff are doing outstanding work. While the fans bemoan the missing of elite recruits they generally under-appreciate other components of success. I am soooooo pleased when I hear Michigan players interviewed-soooooooo impressive...the character that oozes out of them.  

RobM_24

September 15th, 2023 at 10:52 PM ^

This is like item# 173 on the list of most important things to worry about with Michigan football after this season. I'm just going to keep enjoying this season as long as I can. It'll all work itself out. Or it won't. 

RobM_24

September 15th, 2023 at 11:14 PM ^

Or did they decommit from their commitment to their coach about not decommitting, after the speculation of decommitting from Michigan and committing to Kentucky was rumored, after previously decommitting from Notre Dame to commit to Michigan earlier in their commitment cycle? 

azul in NC

September 16th, 2023 at 8:02 AM ^

That’s what their dad told that coach to say. Dad is living vicariously through his boys recruiting experience. At Loomis he tried exerting his will when they were sophomores and coach Moore was like dude we have enough talent here to win without your sons so it’s your choice. Not a big loss for Michigan. 

iMBlue2

September 16th, 2023 at 1:45 PM ^

Really?  Our defense recruiting this cycle is not on par with a program competing for a national title.  The old adage was winning fixes everything, well it a hasn’t and the class is going to be ranked between 15-20 same as it ever was.  New adage is NIL changes everything, goal posts keep moving.  The recruiting here is what it’s going to be hopefully wins are sustainable but we will be competing with less talent.  

Jordan2323

September 16th, 2023 at 12:35 AM ^

Stoops is a good coach and he’s done well at UK despite the fact that it isn’t a recruiting hotbed and it’s a basketball school. Fact is, despite his coaching and Marrow’s recruiting, they’ll still be behind Georgia, Bama, LSU, Texas, Oklahoma and most likely TN, Auburn and Florida as well most years. You could also probably throw in Ole Miss as well. Even with these additions they are 13th in recruiting in their own conference. They’d be better off going to the ACC where in football they would just battle FSU, Clemson and Miami and then in basketball it would be another heavyweight to go with Duke and Carolina. 

mackbru

September 16th, 2023 at 12:55 AM ^

Five years ago, this would be banner news and prompt 50 hysterical threads. Now it's one thread with a few dozen halfhearted replies and then thank you, next. Different program, different place.

BlueWolverine02

September 16th, 2023 at 1:05 AM ^

A) it's late Friday night.

B) it's been expected for awhile now.

Still, this can't be a good thing for the future of the team.   I'm not going to get too worked up if we can continue to win games, but with all these recruiting misses, you have to think it's going to get a lot harder to win games in the future.

Double-D

September 16th, 2023 at 9:31 AM ^

There is a certain feeling right now that if these kids don’t want to play at Michigan we will find someone else as good or better especially with playable talent available in the portal.

The coaches ability to evaluate and develop talent is established and the program is on good footing. There are not too many kids that are not replaceable.

Soulfire21

September 16th, 2023 at 1:04 AM ^

Recruiting is an absolute disaster. I suppose it is hard to commit to a coach that flirts with the NFL constantly.

Ed: downvote me all you want, but our recruiting class has dropped to 13th and is declining. Stick your head in the sand if you want, but it doesn’t change the facts.

Blarvey

September 16th, 2023 at 8:28 AM ^

There may be some truth with that and the NCAA stuff. That said, I think recruiting has changed to "roster management" where you still want top recruits but the portal offers way more in terms of tape and experience.  Recruiting stars may take a hit at the expense of available 1-2 year veterans that have successfully transitioned to college ball. 

 

iMBlue2

September 16th, 2023 at 2:01 PM ^

Be careful about putting so much faith in the portal. I don’t think that is sustainable for a contending program.  So far this season all but Hausman is underperforming.  I’d rather see a strong guy like crippen at center, Henderson hasn’t played, Hinton hasn’t played well, Gemon Green was better than Wallace is, Stewart doesn’t play, Barner looks like just a guy.  There is also the academic situation where where slot of these undergrad transfers we won’t be in on because of credits transferring.  

YoOoBoMoLloRoHo

September 16th, 2023 at 3:37 PM ^

Nugent, Hinton, Wallace, Turner and Barner are all starters. Sure, each player has had moments where they struggled with some assignment and none are all-americas. 

No matter the expectations or your specific criticisms, the #2 team has a handful of immediate starters from the portal.  All the top teams are relying on portal starters at key positions.

 

iMBlue2

September 16th, 2023 at 1:55 PM ^

I don’t think it’s an absolute disaster it’s better than most in the country but there has been zero positive impact to it for beating ohio and winning back to back championships, seems recruits still see ohio  as a superior program and that simultaneously baffles and annoys me.  I think this year is the best shot we are ever going to get next season is going to be a big rebuild. 
 

also F Vince marrows cocky never won a damn thing ass.  Clink under recruiting too wonder if he’s passed he didn’t get one of those HC slots while Jim’s been out,  starting to believe that relationship isn’t lasting.  

Blake Forum

September 16th, 2023 at 1:06 AM ^

If this team lives up to its potential, Michigan will land some very good recruits later in the year. In the words of an excellent college football player, that's all I have to say about that

Logan88

September 16th, 2023 at 7:49 AM ^

Pure speculation on my part, but it seems like a decent possibility that they committed to the "best" school they could (they were initially flirting with Notre Dame, then chose UM) in order to drive up their signing bonuses from schools who were willing to pay them for their commitments.

My working theory is this: 

The twins are good-ish recruits who are not good enough to get commitable offers (with pay) from elite schools but can go to decent schools (like UK) and get paid. Meanwhile, UM knows that they can't get the truly elite players because UM won't pay anyone for their commitment but feels that they have a shot at players in the 200-300 range who might be willing to forgo upfront payment for the opportunity to play for a really good program and, possibly, get NIL deals later. Michigan was probably hoping the twins would fall into that sweet spot that UM is looking for but they turned out to just want to get paid.

iMBlue2

September 16th, 2023 at 2:10 PM ^

I think one of the twins really liked M. The other didn’t. If that’s the case stop throwing resources at something that wasn’t going to work out like the staff did with Brian Robinson.  Now the smoke is they are cycling back to Elias Rudolph who already took that Miami bag, got to think that’s as much about trying to keep Ewald for 25.  

WayOfTheRoad

September 16th, 2023 at 1:46 AM ^

The timing is funny in the vacuum of this blog. In the other thread some were just talking about how this was supposed to happen but didn't yet so it won't. I mean, their head coach said it's not happening so it's not happeni...ok they just flipped.

 

lol

 

As for players, good prospects. I hope UM has something up their sleeves or in the works for replacements.