September 16th, 2023 at 8:40 AM ^
This is a misinformed response-willful or otherwise. Michigan's employment of NIL is generally different from many/most other programs. This compromises recruitment a bit but mitigates a huge set of problems down the road. Catalyzing the talents of 18-23 year olds into high level play is tricky business and, here, Jim Harbaugh and his staff are doing outstanding work. While the fans bemoan the missing of elite recruits they generally under-appreciate other components of success. I am soooooo pleased when I hear Michigan players interviewed-soooooooo impressive...the character that oozes out of them.
September 16th, 2023 at 6:00 AM ^
yes. why oh why can’t we recruit like kentucky? they must be really killing it on the trail, huh?
(“wait a sec,” he mumbles to himself, and checks class rankings. checks again. ctrl-f-kentucky. “oh,” he says, “i get it. dude is a whiny crank.”)
September 16th, 2023 at 2:37 PM ^
In fairness, the article points out that they are basically from Kentucky. It is at least possible, then, that it is home state loyalty and not cash behind this flip.
September 15th, 2023 at 10:55 PM ^
The way both Davis and Marshall are playing, I believe we got our JJ and Edwards in the 2024 class.
September 15th, 2023 at 11:59 PM ^
Don’t tell EJ Holland that.
September 16th, 2023 at 3:12 AM ^
It must be the money.
/AFLAC'd
September 15th, 2023 at 10:52 PM ^
This is like item# 173 on the list of most important things to worry about with Michigan football after this season. I'm just going to keep enjoying this season as long as I can. It'll all work itself out. Or it won't.
September 15th, 2023 at 10:54 PM ^
So their coach lied?
September 15th, 2023 at 11:14 PM ^
Or did they decommit from their commitment to their coach about not decommitting, after the speculation of decommitting from Michigan and committing to Kentucky was rumored, after previously decommitting from Notre Dame to commit to Michigan earlier in their commitment cycle?
September 16th, 2023 at 6:24 AM ^
Reading through that entire sentence was quite the commitment.
September 15th, 2023 at 10:54 PM ^
Wait, I thought their coach said they weren’t going to flip? Like everyone didn’t see 5 fakes out of 5 when he said that.
September 16th, 2023 at 8:02 AM ^
That’s what their dad told that coach to say. Dad is living vicariously through his boys recruiting experience. At Loomis he tried exerting his will when they were sophomores and coach Moore was like dude we have enough talent here to win without your sons so it’s your choice. Not a big loss for Michigan.
September 15th, 2023 at 10:54 PM ^
Lol the late night news dump. Have fun maybe making a bowl and disappearing into obscurity. Hope the quick cash was worth it
September 15th, 2023 at 11:06 PM ^
Maybe they just really like bluegrass
September 15th, 2023 at 11:19 PM ^
Have you ever smoked it?
September 15th, 2023 at 11:10 PM ^
Big season in front of us. Things’ll change by signing day. If you need that UK education then go get it son
September 16th, 2023 at 4:09 AM ^
Somewhere between the sky is falling and we will be just fine (concerning recruiting) I remember the seasons we have had and what the recruiting results were. If players arent coming now (2nd best program for two seasons + two games) when are they coming?
September 15th, 2023 at 11:11 PM ^
Spoiler: They transfer to another school and then still ultimately end up at Michigan via the transfer portal in 3 years.
September 16th, 2023 at 3:10 AM ^
Spoiler to the spoiler: They won't be admitted.
September 16th, 2023 at 4:09 AM ^
They play football they will be just fine.
September 16th, 2023 at 7:31 AM ^
If you believe this, then you haven’t been following Michigan sports and academics for the past 10 years or more.
September 15th, 2023 at 11:12 PM ^
Double the flavor. Double the fun.
September 16th, 2023 at 7:55 AM ^
I miss those doublemint commercials.
September 15th, 2023 at 11:25 PM ^
Clowns.
September 15th, 2023 at 11:57 PM ^
Kind of wish we were doing better at recruiting.
September 16th, 2023 at 1:45 AM ^
Might be time to reevaluate our NIL approach. Culture is great but you can't have a bunch of your 4 star commits flipping every year.
September 16th, 2023 at 1:42 PM ^
It’s a bad look and gives detractors of our program fuel.
September 16th, 2023 at 12:01 AM ^
Processed
September 16th, 2023 at 12:29 AM ^
Meh. I'm not worried about our DL recruiting.
September 16th, 2023 at 1:11 AM ^
[Glances at the current defensive line and also all the dudes in the NFL]
Yeah it'll probably be fine tbh
September 16th, 2023 at 1:45 PM ^
Really? Our defense recruiting this cycle is not on par with a program competing for a national title. The old adage was winning fixes everything, well it a hasn’t and the class is going to be ranked between 15-20 same as it ever was. New adage is NIL changes everything, goal posts keep moving. The recruiting here is what it’s going to be hopefully wins are sustainable but we will be competing with less talent.
September 16th, 2023 at 12:35 AM ^
Stoops is a good coach and he’s done well at UK despite the fact that it isn’t a recruiting hotbed and it’s a basketball school. Fact is, despite his coaching and Marrow’s recruiting, they’ll still be behind Georgia, Bama, LSU, Texas, Oklahoma and most likely TN, Auburn and Florida as well most years. You could also probably throw in Ole Miss as well. Even with these additions they are 13th in recruiting in their own conference. They’d be better off going to the ACC where in football they would just battle FSU, Clemson and Miami and then in basketball it would be another heavyweight to go with Duke and Carolina.
September 16th, 2023 at 12:55 AM ^
Five years ago, this would be banner news and prompt 50 hysterical threads. Now it's one thread with a few dozen halfhearted replies and then thank you, next. Different program, different place.
September 16th, 2023 at 1:05 AM ^
A) it's late Friday night.
B) it's been expected for awhile now.
Still, this can't be a good thing for the future of the team. I'm not going to get too worked up if we can continue to win games, but with all these recruiting misses, you have to think it's going to get a lot harder to win games in the future.
September 16th, 2023 at 9:31 AM ^
There is a certain feeling right now that if these kids don’t want to play at Michigan we will find someone else as good or better especially with playable talent available in the portal.
The coaches ability to evaluate and develop talent is established and the program is on good footing. There are not too many kids that are not replaceable.
September 16th, 2023 at 1:04 AM ^
Recruiting is an absolute disaster. I suppose it is hard to commit to a coach that flirts with the NFL constantly.
Ed: downvote me all you want, but our recruiting class has dropped to 13th and is declining. Stick your head in the sand if you want, but it doesn’t change the facts.
September 16th, 2023 at 8:28 AM ^
There may be some truth with that and the NCAA stuff. That said, I think recruiting has changed to "roster management" where you still want top recruits but the portal offers way more in terms of tape and experience. Recruiting stars may take a hit at the expense of available 1-2 year veterans that have successfully transitioned to college ball.
September 16th, 2023 at 2:01 PM ^
Be careful about putting so much faith in the portal. I don’t think that is sustainable for a contending program. So far this season all but Hausman is underperforming. I’d rather see a strong guy like crippen at center, Henderson hasn’t played, Hinton hasn’t played well, Gemon Green was better than Wallace is, Stewart doesn’t play, Barner looks like just a guy. There is also the academic situation where where slot of these undergrad transfers we won’t be in on because of credits transferring.
September 16th, 2023 at 3:37 PM ^
Nugent, Hinton, Wallace, Turner and Barner are all starters. Sure, each player has had moments where they struggled with some assignment and none are all-americas.
No matter the expectations or your specific criticisms, the #2 team has a handful of immediate starters from the portal. All the top teams are relying on portal starters at key positions.
September 16th, 2023 at 5:16 PM ^
Two starters from the portal and neither are upgrades from last year. If it wasn’t for who we have coming back. That we recruited we wouldn’t be number 2. Unpopular probably, but facts. And speaks to my point if we can’t recruit talent we won’t be contenders.
September 17th, 2023 at 9:27 AM ^
I agree that a team can't rely on the portal but I do think they can use it to possibly find players when recruits flip or there are transfers out.
As for the rest, I can't judge too much when this team is #2 and allowing less than 6 ppg without its head coach.
September 16th, 2023 at 1:55 PM ^
I don’t think it’s an absolute disaster it’s better than most in the country but there has been zero positive impact to it for beating ohio and winning back to back championships, seems recruits still see ohio as a superior program and that simultaneously baffles and annoys me. I think this year is the best shot we are ever going to get next season is going to be a big rebuild.
also F Vince marrows cocky never won a damn thing ass. Clink under recruiting too wonder if he’s passed he didn’t get one of those HC slots while Jim’s been out, starting to believe that relationship isn’t lasting.
September 16th, 2023 at 1:06 AM ^
If this team lives up to its potential, Michigan will land some very good recruits later in the year. In the words of an excellent college football player, that's all I have to say about that
September 16th, 2023 at 4:12 AM ^
Back to back playoffs didnt do it for them?
September 16th, 2023 at 5:35 AM ^
Kinda got offset by an ADHD head coach when it comes to the NFL
September 16th, 2023 at 2:05 PM ^
This^
September 16th, 2023 at 1:42 AM ^
Don't get why they committed to Michigan in the first place. No one was making them choose instead of waiting until they knew for sure
September 16th, 2023 at 7:49 AM ^
Pure speculation on my part, but it seems like a decent possibility that they committed to the "best" school they could (they were initially flirting with Notre Dame, then chose UM) in order to drive up their signing bonuses from schools who were willing to pay them for their commitments.
My working theory is this:
The twins are good-ish recruits who are not good enough to get commitable offers (with pay) from elite schools but can go to decent schools (like UK) and get paid. Meanwhile, UM knows that they can't get the truly elite players because UM won't pay anyone for their commitment but feels that they have a shot at players in the 200-300 range who might be willing to forgo upfront payment for the opportunity to play for a really good program and, possibly, get NIL deals later. Michigan was probably hoping the twins would fall into that sweet spot that UM is looking for but they turned out to just want to get paid.
September 16th, 2023 at 2:10 PM ^
I think one of the twins really liked M. The other didn’t. If that’s the case stop throwing resources at something that wasn’t going to work out like the staff did with Brian Robinson. Now the smoke is they are cycling back to Elias Rudolph who already took that Miami bag, got to think that’s as much about trying to keep Ewald for 25.
September 16th, 2023 at 1:46 AM ^
The timing is funny in the vacuum of this blog. In the other thread some were just talking about how this was supposed to happen but didn't yet so it won't. I mean, their head coach said it's not happening so it's not happeni...ok they just flipped.
lol
As for players, good prospects. I hope UM has something up their sleeves or in the works for replacements.