Scruggs Suspended Indefinitely
Title says all, figured after his arrest. Wonder if some of the newer analyst may step in as DL coach.
It’s a non violent offense, and his first was when he was in college over a decade ago. I kinda hope you mess up and meet the same overly draconian measures so you could get some perspective.
Let me know when you lose someone close to you because some fucker couldn’t call Uber and I’m almost certain you’ll feel differently.
Why does everyone feel the need to make every single situation about them? Also why go there? Those aren’t the facts in this matter. Sounds like you’re having a hard time with objectivity which is my exact point.
There is zero excuse for drunk driving in this day and age when an uber is a couple of phone clicks away. People can make excuses for it all they want, but it really is a very simple thing to avoid doing. The facts are anyone who drives drunk is risking killing others because they couldn't be bothered to do something simple. There is no grey area, it's black and white, you carry something with you every day that makes it very easy to not drink and drive.
Im going to side with someone that has lost a loved one every single time. Im with you MGo if you drink and drive the punishment needs to be to the level that "scares the shit out of you" because obviously maybe taking someone's life didnt do the trick. Sympathy for a 3rd time offender? Come the fuck on.
“The facts are anyone who drives* is risking killing others.”
ftfy
My mother was killed by a drunk when I was 14. I don't feel that way at all.
Why 0.08? Why not any amount of alcohol? Why isn’t booze tested? Was the officer’s machine calibrated correctly? Was there probably cause?
Do you give a shit?
well, if he was arrested for DUI causing severe injury, or DUI causing death, we'd be having a different conversation. The court doesn't punish an individual for crimes they might have committed. Nor should an employer. If Moore wants to fire him because this kind of judgment isn't leadership material, fine. But the "what could have happened" line of thinking isn't terribly useful here - Scruggs himself will get to ponder that every day for some time to come.
Except Scruggs didn’t cause a crash or harm or property damage or mortality so your point isn’t really applicable.
Someone in their 40s who hasn’t had anything other than speeding tickets, here. “I hope you mess up” is a horrible argument to make if you want to be level-headed and say, don’t be judgmental. How old are you, and what is your education level that that was your reply.
Actually, Detroit News is reporting this is at least his third offense:
According to court records, Scruggs also was arrested Oct. 27, 2013, for allegedly driving under the influence in Kirkland, Washington, when he was with the Seattle Seahawks and entered a not-guilty plea in court. He pleaded down to reckless driving on June 11, 2014. While a senior football player at the University of Louisville, Scruggs was arrested on a DUI charge in 2011 and dismissed from the team before the Belk Bowl, according to several reports.
per michigan law, the court will consider it a 1st offense (though Sherrone may not). But your bloodlust is noted.
Yeah, I missed that detail in skimming the article. A second DUI, irrespective of BAC imo, likely warrants dismissal.
By SUD, do you mean drinks before driving?
SUD is one of those arbitrarily defined things that people cooked up to rope more people into getting billed for dubious and pseudoscientific behavioral health services
He can’t get a second chance because this is his third arrest. It’s numerically impossible to give him a second chance because he blew right past it. It’s habitual at this point.
I’m OK with Moore offering him a fresh start but he immediately pissed away Moore’s goodwill by doing this. He needs to be fired.
Given his history, he may actually have a serious problem and I might see keeping him employed contingent on completing rehab, following some monitoring routine, etc.
Because regardless of whether we think the rules around DUIs are problematic, the fact is the legal consequences are what they are, and even if the guy was barely over the limit and not a significant threat to anyone, he still made a bone-headed decision to get behind the wheel especially given his priors and how much he stands to lose. He made that decision, prioritizing driving himself after a few drinks and putting it all on the line. To me, that says the guy may have a real problem. But depending on the circumstances, it may be in everyone’s best interest to show a path forward that results in positive change instead of instant expulsion, if that path can lead him to clean up his act.
That said, he may not have been over the limit. Equipment used to measure roadside BAC is notoriously flawed and its manufacturers notoriously fraudulent in their claims of accuracy.
This is off to a fine start.
Remember when Brian Hartline drunkenly crashed his ATV last year and sent someone to the hospital, and no one at OSU cared or punished him?
And I'm sure the local "authorities" in Columbus looked the other way.
Exactly.....People make mistakes sometimes more than 1....shit happens.
Life never stops.
Driving an ATV intoxicated is drastically different. You are much more likely to hurt/kill yourself than anyone else and most ATVs don’t require a drivers license. He certainly should’ve received punishment of some sort, but driving an atv drunk versus and 2 ton vehicle is drastically different. However, both are inexcusable.
You are much more likely to hurt/kill yourself than anyone else
Hartline sent someone else to the hospital
Except he sent Somone to the actual hospital …seriously!? Just going to ignore facts to stand on your soap box. Bet you felt accomplished after typing this up too.
Shit happens? Dumbass comment. Don't fucking drive drunk. You have a death wish, have at it. Don't put others in jeopardy.
I have no sympathy, especially a repeat offender. Get rid of him.
You’re a great person.
You are wrong on this topic. Take the L and learn from it.
You know what also never stops? Something called Uber.
Life never stops, eh? What about for the people killed by drunk driving? I'm pretty sure it does stop. What a stupid comment.
March 16th, 2024 at 10:05 PM ^
The majority of traffic fatalities are caused by sober drivers. So what about the people killed by sober driving? What about them?
March 17th, 2024 at 12:40 PM ^
Are you trying to "out-stupid" the previous stupid comment?
If so, congrats... you did it!
March 16th, 2024 at 10:59 PM ^
Per buckeyes it's different because Hartline was on "private property".
In their mind crashing an ATV while drunk with injuries to yourself and your passenger doesn't count unless on a public road...
Quick and appropriate step - no need to make a one day story a two day story (credit to Bacon)
Ditto Pete. Hate what happened, love that we moved swiftly to quarantine the PR damage.
Like someone said above, a world of difference in .11 & compliant vs .24 and belligerent. I’m sure they’re looking now at the details of what actually happened.
World of difference between .11 and .24 in drunk driving?
Please enlighten me, what's the difference?
Yes, there absolutely is. .11 is a couple having 2 glasses of wine with dinner. Their capacity is most certainly diminished, but unlikely it is significant enough to cause an accident based strictly on intoxication. It’s not a good idea, agreed. It’s primarily not a good idea because you can get in a shit load of trouble for it and if an accident unrelated to alcohol happens you are completely screwed.
.24 you are blasted and driving the wrong way on the freeway.
you really need this explained? maybe math helps: one is 37% over the legal limit.
the other is 3x the legal limit.
Listen. If you don’t know the difference between blowing a .11 and a .24, it’s probably best to research yourself and avoid this topic until you do.
Simply put, there’s a broad spectrum of “drunk” with varying effects on your body. Different people will react differently with the same BAC, and while you should obviously avoid toeing that line, it’s easier than you’d think for many people to reach that .08 threshold and still be in complete control of yourself with no adverse effects.
No, you fucking listen. When one of your best friends is paralyzed because some asshole had a few drinks and decided to drive, THERE IS NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE.
Capisce?
but that's not the crime Scruggs committed. the court doesn't punish potential - they act on what actually happened. I'm sorry about whomever in your life was hurt by a drunk driver, but it wasn't Scruggs that hurt them.
and yea, there's a huge difference between .09 and .24. In fact, there's such a difference that they're separate crimes with separate punishments in this state, for exactly the reason that you're indirectly talking about - the increased risk to public health/safety.
No, not “capisce,” and you go ahead and settle the fuck down. Appeals to emotion don’t change facts. There is a world of difference between having 2 draft beers with some wings and being at a .09, and drinking half a fifth of vodka. If you can’t understand this very obvious difference than you are either being purposely obtuse or you have had too much to drink. Either way, you’re wrong. And either way, settle down.
Sorry about your friend, but that doesn’t overrule science or the law. Both of which say there’s a world of difference based on your BAC. Harsher legal penalties with higher BAC, and more severe functional impairments with a higher BAC.
So… yeah there’s a difference. Capisce?
If there’s a “world” of difference between .11 and .24 then the difference between a first offense and a third is a fucking galaxy.
Reportedly his second DUI, previous one in coming in 2011.
Greg, if you're going to drink? One word I can suggest is: Uber. C'mon. Do better ...
Edit/add: correction, his third offense. Greg? You've got a very serious problem. Get help. And it's my sincere wish that you resign from your coaching position with M. See Chuck Bass below.
Wondering how many times he got away with it between 2011 and now
Scruggs may be a guy who's had 3 different DUI's barely above the legal limit, and it would look like he has a drinking problem. When it's possible he has just made terrible choices getting behind the wheel after drinking & got caught. Not likely, but an extreme possibility where he just has bad luck on bad decisions.
Many of us probably know professional drunks who find a way to never get caught. And/or they just call a friend/cab/ride share.
DUI is totally preventable, cab's are cheap & safe. At this point Scruggs is a liability to the staff with this being his 3rd offense. I'd be moving for a second chance if it was his 1st & he blew a low reading.
out of curiosity, where are people seeing 3rd offense?
edit: i've now seen links posted itt describing the full history.