MGoBlue96

March 16th, 2024 at 5:11 PM ^

There is zero excuse for drunk driving in this day and age when an uber is a couple of phone clicks away. People can make excuses for it all they want, but it really is a very simple thing to avoid doing. The facts are anyone who drives drunk is risking killing others because they couldn't be bothered to do something simple. There is no grey area, it's black and white, you carry something with you every day that makes it very easy to not drink and drive.

rice4114

March 16th, 2024 at 5:20 PM ^

Im going to side with someone that has lost a loved one every single time. Im with you MGo if you drink and drive the punishment needs to be to the level that "scares the shit out of you" because obviously maybe taking someone's life didnt do the trick. Sympathy for a 3rd time offender? Come the fuck on.

djmagic

March 16th, 2024 at 7:04 PM ^

well, if he was arrested for DUI causing severe injury, or DUI causing death, we'd be having a different conversation.   The court doesn't punish an individual for crimes they might have committed.  Nor should an employer.  If Moore wants to fire him because this kind of judgment isn't leadership material, fine.  But the "what could have happened" line of thinking isn't terribly useful here - Scruggs himself will get to ponder that every day for some time to come.

chuck bass

March 16th, 2024 at 6:06 PM ^

Actually, Detroit News is reporting this is at least his third offense:

According to court records, Scruggs also was arrested Oct. 27, 2013, for allegedly driving under the influence in Kirkland, Washington, when he was with the Seattle Seahawks and entered a not-guilty plea in court. He pleaded down to reckless driving on June 11, 2014. While a senior football player at the University of Louisville, Scruggs was arrested on a DUI charge in 2011 and dismissed from the team before the Belk Bowl, according to several reports.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2024/03/16/police-michigan-defensive-line-coach-greg-scruggs-arrested-for-owi/72998969007/

dragonchild

March 16th, 2024 at 6:15 PM ^

He can’t get a second chance because this is his third arrest. It’s numerically impossible to give him a second chance because he blew right past it.  It’s habitual at this point.

I’m OK with Moore offering him a fresh start but he immediately pissed away Moore’s goodwill by doing this. He needs to be fired.

Ernis

March 16th, 2024 at 9:58 PM ^

Given his history, he may actually have a serious problem and I might see keeping him employed contingent on completing rehab, following some monitoring routine, etc. 

Because regardless of whether we think the rules around DUIs are problematic, the fact is the legal consequences are what they are, and even if the guy was barely over the limit and not a significant threat to anyone, he still made a bone-headed decision to get behind the wheel especially given his priors and how much he stands to lose. He made that decision, prioritizing driving himself after a few drinks and putting it all on the line. To me, that says the guy may have a real problem. But depending on the circumstances, it may be in everyone’s best interest to show a path forward that results in positive change instead of instant expulsion, if that path can lead him to clean up his act.

That said, he may not have been over the limit. Equipment used to measure roadside BAC is notoriously flawed and its manufacturers notoriously fraudulent in their claims of accuracy.

42-27

March 16th, 2024 at 3:18 PM ^

Remember when Brian Hartline drunkenly crashed his ATV last year and sent someone to the hospital, and no one at OSU cared or punished him?

ERdocLSA2004

March 16th, 2024 at 3:38 PM ^

Driving an ATV intoxicated is drastically different.  You are much more likely to hurt/kill yourself than anyone else and most ATVs don’t require a drivers license.  He certainly should’ve received punishment of some sort, but driving an atv drunk versus and 2 ton vehicle is drastically different.  However, both are inexcusable.

goblu330

March 16th, 2024 at 6:27 PM ^

Yes, there absolutely is.  .11 is a couple having 2 glasses of wine with dinner.  Their capacity is most certainly diminished, but unlikely it is significant enough to cause an accident based strictly on intoxication.  It’s not a good idea, agreed.  It’s primarily not a good idea because you can get in a shit load of trouble for it and if an accident unrelated to alcohol happens you are completely screwed.

.24 you are blasted and driving the wrong way on the freeway.

JonnyHintz

March 16th, 2024 at 6:59 PM ^

Listen. If you don’t know the difference between blowing a .11 and a .24, it’s probably best to research yourself and avoid this topic until you do. 
 

Simply put, there’s a broad spectrum of “drunk” with varying effects on your body. Different people will react differently with the same BAC, and while you should obviously avoid toeing that line, it’s easier than you’d think for many people to reach that .08 threshold and still be in complete control of yourself with no adverse effects.

djmagic

March 16th, 2024 at 7:44 PM ^

but that's not the crime Scruggs committed.  the court doesn't punish potential - they act on what actually happened.  I'm sorry about whomever in your life was hurt by a drunk driver, but it wasn't Scruggs that hurt them.  

 

and yea, there's a huge difference between .09 and .24.  In fact, there's such a difference that they're separate crimes with separate punishments in this state, for exactly the reason that you're indirectly talking about - the increased risk to public health/safety.

goblu330

March 16th, 2024 at 7:53 PM ^

No, not “capisce,” and you go ahead and settle the fuck down.  Appeals to emotion don’t change facts.  There is a world of difference between having 2 draft beers with some wings and being at a .09, and drinking half a fifth of vodka.  If you can’t understand this very obvious difference than you are either being purposely obtuse or you have had too much to drink.  Either way, you’re wrong.  And either way, settle down.  

JonnyHintz

March 16th, 2024 at 9:18 PM ^

Sorry about your friend, but that doesn’t overrule science or the law. Both of which say there’s a world of difference based on your BAC. Harsher legal penalties with higher BAC, and more severe functional impairments with a higher BAC. 

 

So… yeah there’s a difference. Capisce? 

HighBeta

March 16th, 2024 at 3:29 PM ^

Reportedly his second DUI, previous one in coming in 2011.

Greg, if you're going to drink? One word I can suggest is: Uber. C'mon. Do better ...

Edit/add: correction, his third offense. Greg? You've got a very serious problem. Get help. And it's my sincere wish that you resign from your coaching position with M. See Chuck Bass below.

907_UM Nanook

March 16th, 2024 at 7:39 PM ^

Scruggs may be a guy who's had 3 different DUI's barely above the legal limit, and it would look like he has a drinking problem. When it's possible he has just made terrible choices getting behind the wheel after drinking & got caught. Not likely, but an extreme possibility where he just has bad luck on bad decisions.

Many of us probably know professional drunks who find a way to never get caught. And/or they just call a friend/cab/ride share. 

DUI is totally preventable, cab's are cheap & safe. At this point Scruggs is a liability to the staff with this being his 3rd offense. I'd be moving for a second chance if it was his 1st & he blew a low reading.