Rooting Interests Updated
So you're telling me there's a chance!!!!
Basically we now have the same record as MSU, PSU, and OSU. We are currently tied with PSU for third in the BIG Ten East, with PSU having a h2h tiebreaker on us. We need the following to happen to give us a legitimate shot:
1) Michigan Wins Out!!!! (One can dream)
2) OSU beats Sparty and Illinois (very likely)
3) One of Rutgers, Nebraska, or Maryland shocks the world and shocks PSU. (Highly unlikely but about as unlikely as OSU getting smoked by an Iowa team that puts up 55 points)
EDIT: 4) MSU loses again to one of Rutgers and Maryland (not going to happen)
We need 1-4 to happen and we would win the big ten east. Basically next weeks OSU/MSU game is for all the East marbles barring a miracle.
November 5th, 2017 at 9:56 AM ^
November 5th, 2017 at 9:47 AM ^
Also, strangely enough, if I"m reading the tie-breakers right it's better to lose to worse teams, not better teams. A loss to the last place team in the division hurts you less than any other loss.
November 5th, 2017 at 9:43 AM ^
November 5th, 2017 at 10:03 AM ^
Nothing in the world could be better for Michigan, in the long run, than for OSU to lose to shit-ass Illinois. I don't care what impact it has on this year's Big Ten Championship race. OSU losing to Illinois would be an absolute disaster for OSU's program.
November 5th, 2017 at 10:43 AM ^
It doesn't matter if OSU beats Illinois. If the MSU/PSU losses we need happen if OSU beats Illinois we tie with them and win the tiebreaker by beating them. If the MSU/PSU losses we need happen if OSU loses to Illinois, we win the division outright. We just need to not be tied with MSU and PSU.
Also Illinois lost to Rutgers, and while weird things have happened, that one one would be exceptionally weird. That would be like Stanford beating USC in '07 weird.
November 5th, 2017 at 9:36 AM ^
Isn't it weird that overall record is so low on the tie-breaking protocol? You'd think the Big10 would want the team with the best overall record going to the Championship game, given competition for the playoff with other conferences, etc.?
November 5th, 2017 at 9:44 AM ^
November 5th, 2017 at 10:21 AM ^
Right. Why should OSU be penalized for losing to Oklahoma while PSU plays Pitt or whatever and doesn't lose? And then that factors into the tiebreaker. If that were the case then everyone would have more reason to schedule like Wisconsin does.
November 5th, 2017 at 9:45 AM ^
November 5th, 2017 at 9:50 AM ^
Well, that's true, but not completely.
Seems like teams with better records have a better chance of getting into the playoff. So, you'd want to send to the Championship game the team with the best record.
You can disincentivize pancake OOC games by making sure the committee considers strength of schedule in picking the 4 playoff teams. Hello OSU/Penn State last year, Wisconsin's low-rating this year, trouble with Pac 10 teams, etc.
So, you're right, but from the Big10's perspective, not sure net net it works.
November 5th, 2017 at 9:50 AM ^
Well, that's true, but not completely.
Seems like teams with better records have a better chance of getting into the playoff. So, you'd want to send to the Championship game the team with the best record.
You can disincentivize pancake OOC games by making sure the committee considers strength of schedule in picking the 4 playoff teams. Hello OSU/Penn State last year, Wisconsin's low-rating this year, trouble with Pac 10 teams, etc.
So, you're right, but from the Big10's perspective, not sure net net it works.
November 5th, 2017 at 9:39 AM ^
Michigan - Root for them to win every game from here on out
MSU - Root for them to lose every game from here on out.
OSU - Root for them to lose every game from here on out.
PSU - Root for them to lose every game from here on out.
How exactly is this different from any point in any other season from now till the end of time?
November 5th, 2017 at 9:48 AM ^
because beating bunch of 6-6 teams doesnt look good.
IMO It's:
Michigan wins all
Osu wins all but against us.
Psu wins all except US and OSU
Msu wins all except US, OSU, and PSU.
We want the B1G to look strong. It is NOT in our best interest for our SOS to look like crap.
November 5th, 2017 at 9:51 AM ^
But if you're thinking SOS is going to matter this year for us you're mistaken. A two loss Michigan team is not, repeat not, going to get invited to the final four no matter what else happens in the B1G.
Root for our enemies to lose. All the games.....all the time.
November 5th, 2017 at 12:33 PM ^
But you asked how is this different than any other year. I was answering your question.
November 5th, 2017 at 10:50 AM ^
November 5th, 2017 at 9:50 AM ^
This kind of says it all.
Only debate is when they play each other.
November 5th, 2017 at 10:10 AM ^
We need MSU to lose more than OSU so we should root for the Buckeyes to beat Sparty next week.
November 5th, 2017 at 12:34 PM ^
Yeah, I was actually answering his question about how it's different every year.
November 5th, 2017 at 12:34 PM ^
Yeah, I was actually answering his question about how it's different every year.
November 5th, 2017 at 9:39 AM ^
To win the divison but it's not realistic. We need to focus on beating Maryland, then Wisconsin and most of all osu. If even beating osu is all we do the rest of the season, I will have a huge smile on my face. It has to happen this year.
GO BLUE!!
November 5th, 2017 at 9:52 AM ^
Agreed, beating OSU makes it all worthwhile. Especially because it'd be their third loss and a three loss team ain't making the playoffs, even if they won the B1G.
10 wins and spoiling OSU's season still on the table. Better than we thought it'd be a few weeks ago.
November 5th, 2017 at 10:28 AM ^
My hope:
Michigan wins out. 10-2.
Ohio State beats MSU, loses to Michigan. 9-3, but head to head win over MSU and Penn State puts them in the title game.
Wisconsin beats Ohio State.
Neither Ohio State or Michigan State win a Big Ten title or go to the playoff and Michigan ends up with the better bowl.
November 5th, 2017 at 12:02 PM ^
Yes. This is exactly what I was saying yesterday would be the best scenario other than MSU losing the game yesterday. That would have been better for me as I live in Michigan. Let's hope that plays out. I don't want either of those two in a playoff. And I don't want MSU in the Big Ten Championship game.
November 5th, 2017 at 12:04 PM ^
I don't think either of them end up in a playoff anyway, but let's just beat OSU to make it official.
November 5th, 2017 at 10:38 AM ^
November 5th, 2017 at 9:39 AM ^
November 5th, 2017 at 9:45 AM ^
Doubtful. I think Ohio State pounds them into dust next week. They aren't good, just happen to get the breaks. Next week will catch up with them like Alabama did in 2015.
November 5th, 2017 at 9:51 AM ^
MSU now has to go to OSU who just got embarrassed. Next week will not start or end well for MSU.
November 5th, 2017 at 10:29 AM ^
They are 5-1 in conference and every game has been a one score game. If Barrett rebounds and passes well, it will not be close.
November 5th, 2017 at 12:14 PM ^
November 5th, 2017 at 9:42 AM ^
November 5th, 2017 at 9:48 AM ^
This is probably a good idea.
November 5th, 2017 at 9:50 AM ^
Thank you, and on top of that responding to others saying we'd have a shot if a 4 way or 3 way tie. No, please understand the tiebreakers before posting about tiebreakers.
November 5th, 2017 at 9:43 AM ^
November 5th, 2017 at 9:43 AM ^
November 5th, 2017 at 9:47 AM ^
a WD shill. /s
November 5th, 2017 at 9:44 AM ^
Penn States win over Michigan had their chests way out and their fans feeling good. Shit went sideways real fast and with only five minutes remaining in the osu game, I am sure they had themselves in the playoffs.
Only thing better than that is reading the open thread on eleven warriors. Iowa hanging 55 on mighty osu and their fans being humbled just flat out gave me some wood. Michigan needs to finish it up on them and this really won't be to bad of a year. The sad thing is if we win out who gets the tie breaker between us and psu. If it is head to head we lose. How does it work? Anyone know?.
I think MSU loses in columbus next week giving them three losses. Does overall record count for tie breakers?. I would think that is where it starts.
November 5th, 2017 at 9:47 AM ^
Overall record is actually one of the last tiebreakers, so that playing cupcakes isn't an incentive.
November 5th, 2017 at 9:48 AM ^
No, head to head is where it starts.
November 5th, 2017 at 9:50 AM ^
H2H is the tie breaker among two teams.. Overall record only comes into play if there is a three-way, or more, tie. And then it gets convuluted.
http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-footbl/archive/081011aaa.html
Regardless, it's basically a zero chance we can make the Big Ten title game even if we beat OSU. We'd still need PSU, MSU have three conference losses. If you want to count on Rutgers, Nebraska or Maryland helping us out against BOTH PSU and MSU go for it.. I won't hold my breath.
Still, the chance to get to 10 wins for a third straight season is within reach and under our control. And we can give OSU a third loss basically eliminating them from the playoffs, so yeah a lot left to play for just not a Big Ten title or playoff shot, sadly.
November 5th, 2017 at 9:44 AM ^
Yeah, pretty sure we'd need to win out AND PSU and MSU to all have three conference losses for us to get into the Big Ten title game (not making the playoff without it) because of the H2H wins they have over us..
Winning out isn't impossible but asking for Rutgers, Nebraska or Maryland to help us out and beat PSU is beyond a long shot. Not as big a longshot is MSU with 3 conference losses.
Yes, there's a "Dumb & Dumber" chance but right now I think we're more likely to get to 9-3 via win over Wisconsin (more likely) or OSU (always possible, see: 2013 team) then win the bowl game and get ready for a monster 2018.
Building for the future while still having a chance to spoil OSU's playoff hopes and get to 10-wins for a third straight year is fine by me at this point.
November 5th, 2017 at 9:47 AM ^
PSU already has 2 losses. One of those teams shocking the world would give them three, and therefore they would not be tied with Michigan.
MSU will only have two losses after losing to OSU. This post is dumb and should be deleted in shame.
November 5th, 2017 at 9:55 AM ^
November 5th, 2017 at 9:54 AM ^
If you lose, and you're in a tiebreaker scenario, you want to lose to the West division. It's why before the season we said it'd be 100x better to lose to Wisconsin than PSU. OSU is still in prime position since their lose is to Iowa.
November 5th, 2017 at 9:55 AM ^
Personally, I'd rather win out and have OSU go to the championship game (and lose) than MSU. That's just how it plays out on my priority of hate. And I'd rather have PSU go than either of them. Wow, that really hurts.
November 5th, 2017 at 10:04 AM ^
Beat Ohio. And everyone else
November 5th, 2017 at 9:58 AM ^
http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-footbl/archive/081011aaa.html
Assuming it is PSU, OSU, and UM with 7-2 conference records.
#1 The records of the three tied teams will be compared against each other.
We'd all be (1-1) against each other. Still tied.
#2 I The records of the three tied teams will be compared within their division.
OSU would have 1 loss, UM and PSU 2. OSU wins tie breaker.
Assuming it is MSU, OSU, and UM
#1 The records of the three tied teams will be compared against each other.
MSU would be 2-0, they win tie breaker.
Assuming it is MSU (w/loss to OSU), OSU, UM, PSU
#1 UM is 1-2, MSU would be 2-1, PSU would be 2-1, OSU would be 2-1
PSU/MSU/OSU remain, as you got down to 3 teams from 4 you start the tiebreaker rules over again, and OSU would go because of 2-0 record.
There is 0 ways for UM to get the divisional title without both MSU and PSU having 3 conference losses.
November 5th, 2017 at 1:18 PM ^
November 5th, 2017 at 9:58 AM ^