January 16th, 2018 at 11:34 PM ^
She should have thought of checking it out, for any number of reasons. I didn't say that only the maternal instinct would kick in. That was in reply to a specific comment.
January 16th, 2018 at 1:06 PM ^
Ten bucks says the local press continue to mostly ignore this.
January 16th, 2018 at 1:28 PM ^
Pretty sure there has been major coverage in the Lansing State Journal.
January 16th, 2018 at 2:48 PM ^
I was referring mostly to the two Detroit papers -- one in particular that had all sorts of time to delve into football players practicing too hard but has done almost nothing with this.
January 16th, 2018 at 4:08 PM ^
as in both Detroit papers, could have done better. The News has been covering, and the Freep is covering even better, with a particularly strong editorial that ran recently.
January 16th, 2018 at 1:16 PM ^
1. ex-Head Coach Kathie Klages should go to prison for the rest of her life.
2. Major sexual crimes have now happened at three universities of good to great repuation. The big takeaway is that this can happen anywhere and, for Michigan, we have to take specific actions to prevent them and bring them to light the instant they do. Moreover, this has to remain at the forefront of the athletic department's (and University's) thinking going forward. If I was Warde Manuel, this would be keeping me up every night.
January 16th, 2018 at 1:17 PM ^
January 16th, 2018 at 4:13 PM ^
January 16th, 2018 at 1:20 PM ^
been stopped 20 years ago is shocking and heartbreaking. The MSU gymnastics coach (Klages) and the assistant trainer who were told in 1998, and did not turn it over to criminal investigators- .... I don't know what the legal recourse is against them, but there should be something.
January 16th, 2018 at 1:21 PM ^
How Hollis still has a job is beyond me?
January 16th, 2018 at 2:05 PM ^
ESPN needs to expand their investigation of MSU to explore the relationship between the Ingham County's Prosecutor's Office and the MSU football and basketball programs. Nasser isn't the first coverup in East Lansing.
January 16th, 2018 at 2:19 PM ^
I believe ESPN has had a FOIA request held up by MSU and the courts. If they ever get the info they're looking for, and the rumors we've heard become true, then you'll hear about it.
I'd personally rather it come up that way than the victims going to the press to get their story heard. Hopefully the victims can have their privacy protected.
January 16th, 2018 at 2:28 PM ^
never mind.
January 16th, 2018 at 2:31 PM ^
let me tell you, replace every instance of "michigan state" with "university of michigan" and i would hope most of us would burn all of our fan apparel, hide our diplomas, and wear sackcloth and ashes in utter shame. this has nothing to do with msu. it has everything to do with suffering children and depraved adults. the fucking rivalry is irrelevant.
January 16th, 2018 at 2:47 PM ^
I don't think that's the right reponse.
Yes, it's disgusting. Yes the appropriate people at MSU (and elsehwere) should be held accountable. But if anything I would like to see alumni step up and force the University to make a change. I'd want to say "we won't stand for this" - part of giving back to your University is standing up for the right ideals that you believe in, not hiding when someone who doesn't represent those ideals is leading the ship.
January 16th, 2018 at 2:46 PM ^
The hell is it with land grant colleges and enabling pedophiles?
January 16th, 2018 at 3:09 PM ^
For not (early enough) saying goodbye to its "physician icon" and complicit coaches and for ***never***(!) yet saying goodbye to its president and AD, MSU is now forced to say goodbye to much of its endowment.
The poor decision-making on all grounds, both ethical and logical ones, is impossible to reckon with. Much as it affected these women's lives, these mistakes will also cripple MSU's academic growth for decades. Which will cause untold academic setbacks in terms of lowered rates of competitive faculty hiring, reduced departmental growth, and substandard new construction. Generations of innocent students and faculty who deserve better will be punished indirectly.
Of course, that pales in comparison to the direct effect of this scandal on the victims, but it does remind us that across every dimension of the issue, MSU's leadership made the least intelligent (and most individually selfish) available decision.
January 16th, 2018 at 3:32 PM ^
"Patrick Fitzgerald, the lead attorney for Michigan State University in these cases, defended MSU's response in a letter to the Michigan attorney general.
I think this is possibly a slip up. The point is if MSU officials knew about allegations against Nassar - not whether or not they believed it.
January 16th, 2018 at 3:47 PM ^
There's a huge difference between what they knew (the allegations brought forth) and what they beleived. They are clinging to the argument that these were legit medical procedures and are going to argue (once they actually have to comment) that there was no need to escalate the reports since his direct supervisor didn't beleive his actions to be sexual abuse. His supervisor (drawing a blank on his name) will be the fall guy and they will try to save Hollis, LAKS, & Klages from any accountability. It's disgusting.
January 16th, 2018 at 3:56 PM ^
I don't believe its a slip-up.
I see it as a slimy-but-cunning attempt to distinguish between what they did believe and what they *should* have believed. What they *did* believe is a subjective matter that we cannot realistically probe unless a repository of incriminating documents written by, e.g., the President or AD are discovered. Meanwhile, what their offices *should* have believed is, technically sure, still a subjective matter, but it can be rigorously probed quite easily on the basis of evidence that is already available.
This lawyer is specifying that (1) his clients did not believe Nassar was guilty while at the same time implying that (2) what they *should* have believed is irrelevant.
I doubt it will work, but it's one of the few logical matters that can be debated and the sort of small battle this lawyer will need to win if MSU doesn't want to hemmorhage its endowment and send its administrators to prison.
January 17th, 2018 at 10:34 AM ^
January 16th, 2018 at 3:56 PM ^
That's a smoking gun - the lawyer is tacitly admitting that Michigan State knew.
January 16th, 2018 at 3:51 PM ^
...along with all the other posts from so many on this board who seem to take some twisted delight in seeing MSU involved in this incredibly sad and depraved story. These are real girls who have been violated by a dispicable human being. No need to take glee in the fact that it occurred in east Lansing, or to associate this case in any way with a freaking collegiate sports rivalry.
If you are somehow reveling in the pain so that some university whose colors aren't Maize aned Blue can look bad so that we can look better, then you can go to hell.
January 16th, 2018 at 4:02 PM ^
January 16th, 2018 at 6:17 PM ^
Wouldn't surprise me if people in authority didn't believe it initially or didn't want to believe it and by the time they realized it really was true, they felt like they were in so deep that they had to cover it up / not bring it up out of self preservation
January 16th, 2018 at 4:21 PM ^
January 16th, 2018 at 6:14 PM ^
While MSU is our hated rivals, this is not necessarily a reflection of their university. A select few people there happened to be absolutely terrible people worthy of perpetually watching Gene Steratore review a game winning play for the rest of their lives...and probably much worse things. The university as a whole certainly is not of the sexual predator or enabler variety. Sure, they are extremely annoying sports fans who burn too many couches, but Nassar is just a major shitbag, not an embodiment of MSU.
January 16th, 2018 at 8:07 PM ^
Don’t apologize for MSU. This needs to fester and become personal or the culture there will never change.
January 17th, 2018 at 10:31 AM ^
January 16th, 2018 at 6:37 PM ^
I learned from reading the article that APPARENTLY...there are legit massage and/or musculoskeletal corrective techniques utilized that are done trans-rectally or trans-vaginally. What the fuck. When and how did that become a thing??! And 4 of the doctors stuck up for Nassar referencing these techniques (which of course had no parent present nor did the fucking creep use gloves).
January 16th, 2018 at 7:17 PM ^
"Little girls don't stay little forever. They grow into strong women that return to destroy your world."
January 16th, 2018 at 9:38 PM ^
January 17th, 2018 at 5:14 AM ^
there's no joke here.
you should be ashamed of yourself.
January 17th, 2018 at 11:01 AM ^