OT: Fox Sports - ten coaches that MSU should consider
The following article (not paywalled) from Fox Sports touches on the coaching situation in EL and identifies ten candidates should Mel not return to the Spartan's sideline. Here's the link - and the list of coaches.
- Mike Elko - Duke
- Lance Leipold - Kansas
- Pat Narduzzi - Pitt
- Mark Stoops - Kentucky
- Dave Doeren - NC State
- PJ Fleck - Minnesota
- Jason Candle - Toledo
- Sean Lewis - OC Colorado
- Matt House - DC LSU
- Harlon Barnett - Interim Head Coach
Any thoughts on this list? If you were the AD - any coaches "stand out" - which ones? Fleck's caught my attention.
September 19th, 2023 at 5:18 PM ^
Not sure who'll want the job, but 10yr/95M or more should be the standard term.
Anything less, you're worth less than Tucker.
September 19th, 2023 at 5:25 PM ^
I think Mel was the fourth highest paid coach in NCAA. I really wonder if MSU is going to offer that amount of money "going in" - for an initial contract. But, I don't think like the MSU AD or Board of Directors.
It's wishful thinking - but, I really hope they're able to find another coach exactly like Mel.
September 19th, 2023 at 6:26 PM ^
There's some awkwardness built in there, almost no matter what. Far less suggests whoever they hire is seen as a caretaker, or--worse--that the admin is downgrading football. A young, sober, up and comer (pardon that term) would really be the way to go. Not enough young bloods get such chances, anyway. . .
September 19th, 2023 at 5:18 PM ^
When this news first broke, a lot of Pitt fans here in Pittsburgh feared losing Narduzzi.
But after laying an egg against Cincinnati (who then lost to Miami, OH) and then shitting the bed in Morgantown in the Backyard Brawl, there’s almost hope that MSU snags him.
September 19th, 2023 at 6:58 PM ^
Narduzzi to MSU seems like a match made in heaven.
September 20th, 2023 at 12:15 AM ^
MSU thinks they are too good a job for the NardDog and to be honest, they probably are.
September 20th, 2023 at 10:20 AM ^
Narduzzi has gone 63-42 at a Power 5 program. No way are they too good for him. I'm not sure if MSU is good enough of a job for him.
September 19th, 2023 at 5:21 PM ^
Whoever they hire better ask for a thorough sanitisation of the head coach’s office.
September 19th, 2023 at 9:03 PM ^
I hear fire is the best cleanser
September 20th, 2023 at 4:12 AM ^
There has to be at least one couch in there.
September 19th, 2023 at 5:21 PM ^
To be as objective as I can be... The only options where HC at MSU is a step up from where they are now are ... Kansas, Toledo...? thats it.
Even the OC/DC's are gonna be in line for better jobs at places taht arent imploding.
Why on earth would fleck step into this mess with psu/um/osu rolling?
I don't see why the rest would bother. And its not like MSU is gonna give a similar contract again to someone... i wouldnt think....
September 19th, 2023 at 5:50 PM ^
Why on earth would fleck step into this mess with psu/um/osu rolling?
Why is that any different than staying at Minnesota?
September 19th, 2023 at 6:40 PM ^
Tesla probably forgot or didn't realize that divisions won't exist next year. They will still have a UM game every year, though.
Frankly, with Fleck, I don't see why either would have any interest in the other. Lateral move for PJ, babysitter coach for MSU.
September 20th, 2023 at 9:00 AM ^
Well, it was a compound statement. its a mess AND we 3 are rolling. yes, forgot the divisional changes, but the mess still holds.
September 20th, 2023 at 9:06 AM ^
Let's see. Living in Minneapolis or East Landfill. Now that's a tough choice.
September 19th, 2023 at 6:44 PM ^
Minnesota fans don't expect to beat Michigan very often
September 19th, 2023 at 7:34 PM ^
September 19th, 2023 at 10:09 PM ^
Minnesota will be content with a bunch of 7-5, 8-4 seasons and the occasional top out at 10-2 every blue moon. MSU fans will call for Fleck's (or any coach's) head when they lose to Michigan two out of three times and the team isn't winning a B1G championship on the way to a playoff birth. Dantonio really set the bar a bit high going forward.
September 20th, 2023 at 9:01 AM ^
If I remember correctly Michigan had won 6 in a row before Dantonio finally broke through and the loss before the 6 straight was the BS Spartan Bob game.
Dantonio really thread the neddle on timing with Michigan taking a downturn after Carr.
September 19th, 2023 at 9:41 PM ^
Yeah, and you can add Washington, USC and Oregon to that list.
September 19th, 2023 at 5:24 PM ^
I guess I may come across as an "age-ist", but I feel MSU needs a "fresh start" and a good way to get there is to hire someone relatively young who could be envisioned spending ~10 years there. Dantonio was 50 when hired and stayed for 13 years --- 50 seems like a near-ceiling (though not a floor) age-wise for their next hire.
So that takes Leipold, Narduzzi and Stoops (56 to 59) off the list right away.
Doeren is 52 so not too far above, but I don't think he's been particularly great at NCSU. Was last year --- a Belk Bowl loss to Maryland --- potentially their top? I'd take him off the list too, MSU should aspire to more.
Barnett: seems like a nice enough guy, but there's a reason he got the interim gig. He's the care-taker loyal-to-the-program guy who takes-the-bullets to get through the year. MSU will reward him with a decent chunk of $$$ on the way out as a thank you, if the new guy doesn't want to keep him on staff. In no way is he an actual candidate.
Of the 5 remaining, I'd rank: (1) House, state-of-Michigan and MSU guy, still young at 45 and hungry, NFL experience with a ring, his years at UK would help in mining the SW Ohio kids that helped MSU succeed in the Dantonio era, he might (??) view MSU as a "destination job", a place he could be for a solid 10 years. Then (2-5) Elko, Candle, Fleck, Sean Lewis, in that order. Jim Leonhard should be on there too IMO, around the Fleck/Sean Lewis level. I would not consider Creighton, though I do admire what he's done at EMU. He's a solid single to right hire, I'd aspire to a possible HR if I were MSU.
September 19th, 2023 at 7:03 PM ^
House’s folks still live in Michigan. Family is super important to him, as he has a lot of kids and they’d be closer to the grandparents. He caught some shit when at Pitt and Kentucky for not wanting to do in-home visits during recruiting. I assume he got over that when he got to LSU. Beyond that, he was a prick to me from grades 2 to 11. That said, he deserves a shot.
September 19th, 2023 at 11:35 PM ^
That’s an awfully long run of prickdom. It’s hard to believe that someone like at 17 is going to be a super respectful middle aged dude.
September 20th, 2023 at 1:29 PM ^
I’m sure he grew up. Haven’t seen him in 25 years.
September 19th, 2023 at 11:27 PM ^
As a Toledo fan sweet God in heaven I wish someone would take Candle. Anyone who's watched a lot of Toledo games knows what I'm talking about.
September 19th, 2023 at 5:30 PM ^
please let it be narduzzi
September 19th, 2023 at 5:30 PM ^
Stoops and Candle is ideal for them, I hope neither happens, I don't care about the rest
September 19th, 2023 at 5:32 PM ^
Whomever mork blesses.
September 19th, 2023 at 5:41 PM ^
I hope to God it isn't Lance Leipold because he is my number one choice to replace Harbaugh should he leave for the NFL
September 19th, 2023 at 5:42 PM ^
Elko seems to be the flavor of the month amongst the Spartan degenerates.
September 19th, 2023 at 5:44 PM ^
The best coaches on this list are probably elko, Leipold, and Lewis, and I doubt any of them would realistically jump to MSU. Perhaps elko, but the other two could either get bigger jobs or would be making a lateral move. Kansas is intriguing because although it is a terrible job, the big12 is about to be wide open and MSU is in a very precarious place of instability and lack of talent going into a more competitive Big 10. I don’t see it being that enticing even with the financial commitment to football by the university.
I suppose Lewis to a HC job could have some merit, but it just seems like he could parlay a nice Colorado run into an SEC gig or something.
the rest of the list is hilarious. Please hire narduzzi.
September 19th, 2023 at 5:47 PM ^
According to MSU fans, they're going to travel back in time 10 years to when Mark Dantonio and Urban Meyer were both still relevant, and then they're gonna fuse them together into one individual like they do on that one japanese cartoon*, and THAT individual is going to be their new head coach.
*I don't watch anime but I know there's actually at least two entirely different franchises that you could apply here.
September 19th, 2023 at 5:53 PM ^
narduzzi....🖕🖕🖕
September 19th, 2023 at 5:55 PM ^
As I was listening to multiple pundits today, one thing became clear: What makes MSU desirable is the conference they're in and how much $$$ MSU can pay because of the TV money.
The consensus opinion is that this program is in the bottom half of the new B1G in terms of on-field success and prestige. I thought it was on overreach, but they're behind UM, OSU, PSU, USC, UCLA, UWash, UOregon, Wisconsin and Nebraska. Before you LOL @ Nebraska, they get 90,000 people despite crap results. You could also argue that Iowa's had a better program for the past 40 years.
Either way, Matt House is the most likely of that list to come to MSU and potentially be a "home run" hire. He's an alum and from the state. He also might be most likely to want to jump back to the NFL.
September 19th, 2023 at 10:45 PM ^
Matt House is the genius who moved Harold Perkins from rush EDGE to off-ball MIKE linebacker. If he’s MSU’s golden ticket, I’m comfortable with that.
September 19th, 2023 at 5:58 PM ^
Quite a few of the MSU fans that I know want nothing to do with Narduzzi nowadays.
I actually came to say Chris Creighton, but half the blog beat me to it apparently. They need a low-key hire that can reinvent them, a clean break of sorts. I would imagine that would be the ideal hire at this point.
September 19th, 2023 at 6:20 PM ^
Few points about Narduzzi:
1) He hasn't exactly lit the world on fire at Pitt.
2) He was fairly critical of MSU when they played each other in the bowl game.
3) Yes, he was relatively successful at MSU, but the defensive ruleset has changed since he was there. Not nearly as much grabbing/clutching/physicality.
September 19th, 2023 at 7:48 PM ^
He also wants to be Iowa, basically, without being as sound on defense behind the front line. He saw the offensive prowess with their old OC and Kenny Pickett and said "no thanks."
September 19th, 2023 at 6:03 PM ^
It's interesting to think about how MSU's playoff appearance in 2015 changed their perception of how 'good' they can be. First of all, they got creamed twice over in that game. Second of all, while Dantonio did a really good job there, that year was their ceiling. Once in a blue moon they can compete for a B1G championship but they cannot do better than that on the national stage. They think that they're all-but bluebloods when they are actually wanna be's.
In my lifetime MSU was better when they slung the ball around on offense--remember Daryl Rogers?--vs. when they tried to toughen up in the trenches and compete with the big boys. They'll never recruit consistently well enough to out-tough Michigan (unless we're truly down like we were post-Carr). Might as well put up as many points as possible and find a LB named Bullough to build the defense around instead.
If I was the AD I'd hire a young offensive minded coach like Sean Lewis.
September 19th, 2023 at 6:03 PM ^
Elko and Leipold are the only ones that I'd feel great about. Stoops wouldn't be awful but I'd feel like I was settling for him. Candle and Lewis I'd be OK with, but definitely feel like gambles. I don't know enough about House. Everyone else would feel like a huge botch.
September 19th, 2023 at 8:03 PM ^
When did you come out? I missed it.
September 19th, 2023 at 6:08 PM ^
I do not want to play against Sean Lewis coached offense with Big 10 recruited talent, so they should probably hire him.
Doeren isn't a home run hire, but he runs a competent program that has nasty defenses and is always bowling. He's basically Dantonio without the personality disorder.
September 20th, 2023 at 9:40 AM ^
Doeren is like one bad season away from NC State fans hating him. It seems like every time they're supposedly poised for a breakthrough they go 8-4 instead. There's a mild stench of 'stagnant program' to the Wolfpack.
September 24th, 2023 at 4:12 PM ^
Oh I know, I live in Raleigh. I think I mainly just want all the Wolfpack friends in my life to finally have peace and end their Sisyphean existence with Doeren, because Doeren has never been quite good enough to get a better job and never quite bad enough to fire. He's perfectly cromulent. Michigan State could probably use cromulent right now.
September 19th, 2023 at 6:13 PM ^
Other than Harlon Barnett, I’m not sure any of those other guys would even be interested.
September 19th, 2023 at 6:14 PM ^
Elko or Leipold best for MSU at this point imo.
They need a coach without a sniff of controversy at this imo, to stabalize the program.
That said, knowing MSU, they will hire the scummiest and least qualified coach they can find.
September 19th, 2023 at 6:25 PM ^
Please no to Narduzzi. He hurt us badly
September 19th, 2023 at 8:02 PM ^
I mentioned this above in a reply. Narduzzi had some good years as a DC but his stint at Pitt doesn't bode well.
September 19th, 2023 at 6:32 PM ^
I'm surprised that I haven't seen a single list suggesting they hire Mike Tressel. He's the perfect age, a Dantonio slappy and has the connections, including to Ohio, you want.
Then again Mork may not have put a word in for him when Tuck, er, *arrived*, so maybe he is no more the Dantonio heir apparent than Harlon Barnett.
For grins I'd like to see them promote Scottie Hazelton, but no way they're that crazy.