OT: aOSU Moving all Classes Online for the Rest of the Month due to Coronavirus

Submitted by A Lot of Milk on March 9th, 2020 at 10:55 PM

Not released to the public yet, but OSU students have received an email from their president that the university will be moving all lectures, exams, etc. online until the end of the month because of newly confirmed cases of Coronavirus in Ohio. They are currently on spring break until next Monday. 

No OSU students or faculty have been confirmed to have the virus, but looks like they're taking steps to prevent that from happening. 

WestQuad

March 10th, 2020 at 9:43 AM ^

Talking to two guys in their 80's at church and they were legit worried about this.  The one guy and his wife, who is in her 80's too, cancelled their cruise.   The other guy has a slow growing cancer.  His doctors told him he won't die of cancer, but of pneumonia, the flu or some other disease.   Knowing that Corona virus is out there and it's mortality rate for old people he basically knows that he's going to die in the next six months.     ...and you may picture an 80+ year old with cancer as feeble, but this guy is an usher at the church and still goes into run his multi-million dollar business every day.  He's pretty healthy overall.   

Not sure if OSU is over-reacting or being proactive, but there are real people who will die from this.  The last estimate I saw was 500,000.  Even if that estimate is off by a multiple, it is still going to be a large number without precautions.

snarling wolverine

March 10th, 2020 at 12:10 PM ^

When's the last flu you heard of that killed 10 people in one building within a few days of each other?

Actually that's a good question.  We know the flu kills tens of thousands annually in this country, but these deaths rarely make the news.  What is the pattern of those deaths?  Are they evenly spread across the country or are there concentrated outbreaks like there have been with the coronavirus so far?

crom80

March 10th, 2020 at 8:58 AM ^

yes the virus is dangerous for mostly >50 yo people and for most it is like a mild cold. but the major reason for these 'social distancing' tactics is to mitigate the impact on the healthcare system. the virus is quite contagious and if it does hit a population of vulnerable people, say a number of nursing homes in a city, the local medical institutions will be overwhelmed. and not only for those that are infected with covid19 but other patients who need to be at the hospital and those who are immune deficient. 

 

it is no longer a containment stage, it is the mitigation stage.

ak47

March 10th, 2020 at 9:25 AM ^

You are right in that it is just a bad flu strain from a relative risk standpoint. You are wrong in underselling the risk of a bad flu strain. If we could go back in time and enact quarantines and eliminate the flu from being a yearly occurrence we absolutely would and should.

Wendyk5

March 11th, 2020 at 10:20 AM ^

I have a friend with a daughter who was in Italy for the semester. Vanderbilt student. A fellow student got the virus while there. His parents finally got him home, but he is very ill and in a hospital in Chicago. So young people are not immune. 

1blueeye

March 9th, 2020 at 11:23 PM ^

I seriously wonder why all college lectures aren’t done remotely anyway. I used to show up for 7:15 am lectures and a “tape recorder”. I was half asleep and got nothing out of the lecture and had to re-listen later. Now it can be recorded and streamed. Tests can be taken remotely. Remember getting “closed out” of classes? No need anymore. Just login and learn 

ak47

March 10th, 2020 at 12:06 AM ^

Because the utility of a college education goes well beyond strictly memorizing material and some of it is the value you get from real life interaction and the exchange of ideas. 

I think most individual classes could be online, I don’t think an entire degree online has the same value 

IDKaGoodName

March 10th, 2020 at 5:42 AM ^

In addition to the example of online classes not being useful for lab, there are some other types of classes or exams that require hands on work or showing how you derived your answer etc.

That said, there have been a few professors that have excited me for lectures/classes. 

David Potter was without a doubt the best lecturer, maybe best speaker in general, that I have ever heard. His Emperors of Rome class was literally fun to sit through. Also the only time I have ever seen a professor get a standing ovation at semesters end. Lot of athletes in his classes, ironically, but I guess He was some form of admin for student athletes

 

Glennsta

March 10th, 2020 at 7:32 AM ^

As a teacher who has monitored and graded on-line HS classes, trust me when I tell you that cheating in on-line classes is prevalent. And if HS kids can do it, college students would be far better at it.

Delivering instruction by Internet (lectures, Q&A via on-line conferences) is fine. Assignments and assessments/tests are a disaster. Copy and paste a few potential short-answer or essay questions into a Google search and see how many answers you get.  Often, you could google a complete multiple choice question and there it would be, complete with the correct choice.

And there's no guarantee that the person submitting the work is the person who is enrolled. I had one kid who we used to joke (bitterly, because we couldn't 100% prove it) who never would have graduated without his girlfriend being good at math and/or cheating at math.

Perkis-Size Me

March 10th, 2020 at 9:43 AM ^

There's some things that just can't be taught (or taught effectively) in an online space. If you're taking a science degree and your course requires lab work, do you really think that can be done effectively via an online portal? I doubt it. 

I'd also consider trade schools. I don't know that they have lab work per se, but I imagine a lot of the teaching they do is very hands-on and applicable to what the students will later see out in the field. You can't teach someone how to properly redo an entire building's electrical wiring via the internet. Or at the very least, I doubt you get the same value out of what you'd learn online that you would in a classroom or out in the field. 

Then there's some things, like business classes, that don't necessarily require or need face-to-face interaction, but when you're split up for group work, I always found that the face-to-face time with your group was much more valuable (and helped better build camaraderie) than everyone working remotely 100% of the time. Just my opinion. 

Gucci Mane

March 9th, 2020 at 11:34 PM ^

Time for uofm to do this. It would be a bad look to have an outbreak when preventive measures could of been taken.

Swayze Howell Sheen

March 10th, 2020 at 8:19 AM ^

eh, not clear.

washington, stanford did it because it was the end of the quarter.

seems like osu is doing it around a spring break.

vandy just did it for a few extra days, and there was a case with a student.

not obvious that sending kids home, and then bringing them back in a few weeks, is going to actually help - indeed, it might spread things more rather than less (imagine everyone going home and then coming back in a few weeks)

KungFury

March 10th, 2020 at 11:42 AM ^

It is not just about being around spring break. They have this set to run through April 20th. I am sure a week of spring break helps, but they are still shutting down in-person everything for over a month. I know someone who was supposed to visit to give a seminar who was told they will have to reschedule after April 20th. Which also implies that faculty won't even be around a lot of this period. 

killerseafood3

March 9th, 2020 at 11:37 PM ^

This is really a fascinating time to be alive.

I realize that this is scary stuff. I want my wife, my two young daughters (3 yrs old, 5 months old) to stay safe from this virus. I have two older parents that I don't want to lose. But..

This is just a scary version of a contagious flu. Pay attention to what you touch, be aware of your surroundings, and you should be fine.

But the media craze going on - classes / school being cancelled, conferences and concerts being cancelled, grocery stores putting restrictions on what you can buy, basically all sorts of panic.. And after spring break comes and goes (and this will get to Michigan, if it's not already), it's scary to think what the masses will do in reacting to this - hoarding toilet paper, bleach wipes, etc..

Cancelling classes for a month is fine (and I support this - and let's face it, the uproar institutions will get if they don't move to online only classes will pressure them to do so), but it's not like that's going to eradicate this virus, or stop people who are contagious from being out and about. It's going to get worse before it gets better.

Stay safe everyone.

TrueBlue2003

March 9th, 2020 at 11:56 PM ^

It will slow / reduce the spread of it, though.  Even if people that have it are out and about, there will be fewer people to infect it fewer other people are out and about.

I don't know if it's "worth it" to shut down entire countries (Italy just did this!) from a cost-benefit standpoint, but there will be fewer that get sick by taking certain measures.

Njia

March 10th, 2020 at 12:47 AM ^

As recently as 2009-10, a novel A/H1N1 strain killed an estimated 150,000-500,000 people worldwide, including an estimated 12,500 right here in the U.S. We're a long way from that right now, but we are also doing much more to try to contain CoVID-19's spread. 

What we also have a lot more of right now is social media, which is making misinformation and outright falsehood about this virus, and government reaction to it, subject to the eye of the beholder. That makes it more dangerous for all of us.

I'mTheStig

March 10th, 2020 at 1:15 AM ^

Someone gets it.

But we're going to have all these fucking idiots and their fear mongering tank the economy over something, which yes, is very serious, but hasn't been proven to be worse than SARS, MERS, or even last year's devastating flu season in Australia by way of comparison.

 

Reader71

March 10th, 2020 at 10:37 AM ^

The economy is not going to tank because of fear of the virus in America. It is going to tank because fear of the virus in China, where just about all of our production is located. If every consumer good we buy was produced in Australia, last year's devastating flu season would have tanked our economy.

I'mTheStig

March 10th, 2020 at 11:08 AM ^

The economy is not going to tank because of fear of the virus in America.

You haven't been paying attention to the stock market (the 2K drop yesterday was on oil though but before that it's been COVID).

Or sales numbers coming out lower across the board

Interest rates are in the shitter (yay for my refinance though I guess)

Or half empty flights (or completely empty ones where the carrier has suspended service but still has to fly the route to keep from losing the airport slot).

Or events being cancelled -- including conferences, not allowing fans at sporting events, etc.

 If every consumer good we buy was produced in Australia

I think you took that point a little too literally.  It was meant to illustrate an event where, simply by way of comparison, the results were worse but the panic didn't approach what we see now -- which aligns with the poster to whom I was replying.

Reader71

March 10th, 2020 at 12:46 PM ^

I have been paying attention. Maybe longer than you have, since you ignore the early days of the virus, when it was still focused only in Wuhan, and about the dread that everyone felt about what this was going to do to manufacturing.

The spread to everywhere else has definitely made the fear worse, but market confidence was in the shitter before yesterday. Yesterday was the thing we've been worried about.

Regarding Australia, I took your point. I just used it to highlight mine. The disruption to production is the real fear. Empty airplanes and cruise lines certainly hurt those industries, but the wide-scale economic disaster is the total stop in Chinese production.

I'mTheStig

March 10th, 2020 at 1:45 PM ^

but market confidence was in the shitter before yesterday.

That's bullshit.  You're correcting me just to be argumentative now. 

While the ICF data says the market confidence rate is ~71 -- which is where it was approximately at for 2019.  In that same time the market was up 22%...

...until COVID19 propaganda and Russians tanking oil that is.

Chuck Norris

March 10th, 2020 at 1:21 AM ^

That's incorrect thinking. There are several differences between H1N1 and Covid-19. Most notably, Covid19 spreads faster, is deadlier, and has no vaccine. The first two points haven't been fully proven (we don't TRULY know how fast the virus spreads or how deadly it is, because we can't fully trust the numbers coming out of China), but health professionals are confident. The last one is demonstrably true, and the reason that all of these quarantines are happening. There is no vaccine. If you get it, you're going to get it and the virus is going to run its course on your body.

That's why people are scared. Not because there's more people that have a Twitter now.

Also, I've seen a lot of stuff about how you shouldn't worry, because if you're young and healthy it probably won't kill you. That's true. If you're young and healthy it is rare that it will kill you. But you will be contagious, and lots of people are less healthy than you, paragon of vitality that you are. Don't just worry about it killing you. Worry about you getting it, and spreading it to both loved ones and strangers in worse shape than you that it COULD kill.