OSU Conspiracy Theorists: Michigan Stealing Signals

Submitted by Swayze Howell Sheen on December 4th, 2022 at 10:07 AM

The brain trust over at 11w is at it again. This one is a doozy: Michigan is stealing signs, which explains their second-half dominance. Thread: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/ohio-state-football/2022/12/135754/go-ahead-and-convince-me. Source: user Whatsredandgray...

Lead quote: "Either they are the best half time adjustment team I’ve seen or they know how to steal signs on both O and D."

What's funny about this: somehow UM knows how to steal signs, but they seem to require playing a team for a half before learning the signs. Somehow, no one at UM thought to go to a *previous game* of the opponents at get the signs stolen for the whole game!.

TreySermonGrin chimes in: "They're definitely stealing signs and I'm not totally sure the coaches know. If anyone does actually have connections inside the WHAC I would highly advise we become aware of this." Now, you wonder, what is the WHAC? It's the Wolverine-Hoosier Athletic Conference! See https://www.whac.net/ for details. 

ImRonBurgundy adds: "I don't know. It was a theory heading into The Game. They just hammer teams in the 2nd half. Like you said, from the very 1st play onward. It's kind of uncanny. Definitely could be something to it, but only some whispers and rumors right now." Where are these whispers and rumors coming from, I wonder. Oh yes! Stupid message board posts, like this one!

Calibuckeyefan1 writes: "Yeah but even when Clemson was apparently doing it, there wasn’t this stark difference between their opponents play in the first half vs second half.  Something is up." This person has clearly run the numbers.

OSU2002grad contributes: "It is quite odd how they do this every game. Like why does it always take a half of mediocrity and then a half of dominance? Every game except Illinois." to which Brutusbro replies: "Doesn't Illinois huddle almost every play?" This clinches it: you can't steal signs from Illinois, and that was the only "bad" UM game!

RichOSUClass1977 has it all figured out, computers and stuff: "Maybe they have video taped the sideline signal callers on every play all season long and built a data base based on actual plays run. Then they adjust the codes they see in first half to match new play series as run or pass. Code breakers." Genius!

Edgebuckog chimes in with: "Jeff Brohm was pissed tonight and hiding his playchart and going up tempo until the red zone. They are stealing signs. It's a no doubter." Wow, what proof!

But Abcbuckeye thinks it's another theory: drugs. "My theory on Michigan is after the 2019 season is that they are bigger, stronger, and faster. How did this happen and how did this diminish during the playoff last year? They are still recruiting 3* athletes.  Did John Harbaugh’s DC gift to his brother bring a NFL level “dietary supplement program” to Michigan? It would explain how their offensive lineman are a slim and trim 330#. It would explain how they have a greater aerobic capacity in the second half of every game. It would also explain how they shit the bed vs Georgia because during the playoff the NCAA does random testing for PED’s. They would have to cycle off the juice for 6 weeks  to avoid a positive. During the regular season schools self test for drugs. It’s easy for the schools to rig their own testing but they can’t rig NCAA testing." Yes, Michigan only recruits 3 star players. What bubble does this guy live in?

YtownJohnny tries to voice opposition: "Stealing Signals. GTFO. Time to put down the Busch Light and get to bed." And, is immediately downvoted.

Man, what some people will believe, when they don't like the outcome of an event.

<braces for downvotes for linking to 11w, but honestly, I found it kind of fascinating>

MGlobules

December 6th, 2022 at 12:14 AM ^

My grandma was a Sherman on her mom's side. She grew up in Morenci. Most of the Shermans were in Ohio. The family quite proud of the relation to both William Tecumseh Sherman and John, the OH senator who wrote the anti-trust act. 

Given how many Confederate flags you can see in Southern Ohio, though. . . 

2manylincs

December 4th, 2022 at 10:59 AM ^

I posted this elsewhere, but it applies here..

OSU fans are not novel thinkers.

The sign stealing idea came from an anonymous coach in a Feldman article with coaches comparing OSU and UM in the Athletic BEFORE the game. I don't think that the coach was saying it as a bad thing either, I took it that he was more amazed how fast they get your signs and implies that everyone does this.  

Here's the quote:

 

One other wrinkle in this matchup: “I think Michigan is really good at stealing your signals,” said one Big Ten running backs coach. “They got our stuff early and they got us on both sides.”

 

https://theathletic.com/3919980/2022/11/22/michigan-osu-harbaugh/

MGlobules

December 4th, 2022 at 11:29 AM ^

I'm pretty sure you're hitting it, or at least part of it. Teams have guys gesticulating wildly and waving signs. Other teams have people standing across the field figuring out how the players line up when they do it. Smart teams figure it out quicker. Really naive people think this is something new. 

Phaedrus

December 4th, 2022 at 12:18 PM ^

It's like stealing signs in baseball. If you figure out the opponent signs and you have a guy on base to tip off the batter, that's well played. If you set up cameras to steal their signs and then communicate them to the batter using some elaborate trashcan banging scheme, you're cheating.

snarling wolverine

December 4th, 2022 at 10:12 AM ^

The key is our use of Navajo code experts with X-ray vision (which allows them to see through opponents’ play cards covering their mouths) and expert lip reading capabilities, who can decipher opponents’ playcalls within seconds.

Shoot, I’ve revealed too much.  Fiddlesticks!

dickdastardly

December 4th, 2022 at 10:15 AM ^

Let's just for one moment claim this is true. It would prove, once again, that those who go to Michigan are very SMART to be able to decode the morons and dunces that attend The Ohio State University of Douchebags. Let's just hope Michigan can play OSU again and dominate them in such a fashion as to embarrass them twice in a season. How sweet and precious would that be?

SiKa7x

December 4th, 2022 at 10:18 AM ^

Even if they were stealing them mid-game, isnt that part of the overall mental aspect of the game? Why would you not try to decipher what the other team does? Its almost like defenses disguising coverages is cheating cuz they're being deceitful

Amazinblu

December 4th, 2022 at 10:18 AM ^

“Best halftime adjustment team”… yes, that answers their supposed hypothesis.

Oh, by the way - did anyone else notice how Georgia adjusted to LSU?   There could be a conspiracy, OR - Georgia and Michigan are very good at adjusting to an opponent’s game plan.  I’ll go with the latter…

mooseman

December 4th, 2022 at 10:19 AM ^

It's crazy. Jeff Brohm is the first coach I've ever seen hide his play chart.

Those guys usually cover their mouth because they're worried about their breath, right?

BlueDad2022

December 4th, 2022 at 10:19 AM ^

I guess they give us credit for execution at least.   For the last drive in last year’s game the scoreboard should’ve read “Haskins up the middle.   Good luck”.