Official: Frames Janklin Signs 10 Yr Extension
I didn’t see for how much money as I skimmed the article but 10 years is a long time.
November 23rd, 2021 at 4:37 PM ^
Keep him. He doesn’t scare me at all
November 23rd, 2021 at 4:51 PM ^
According to a university statement, it's a new 10-year contract for Franklin through 2031. The deal guarantees him $7 million per year, plus an annual $500,000 retention bonus and up to $1 million of incentives per year
November 23rd, 2021 at 5:11 PM ^
Only $7.5 million per year? He can only afford to be Mel Tuck on that money...
November 23rd, 2021 at 9:14 PM ^
If you sign a coach to a long term extension with a weak buyout, it’s not really a long term extension.
November 23rd, 2021 at 4:39 PM ^
bwahahahahahaha...... he'll be gone in 5 or less.
November 23rd, 2021 at 4:44 PM ^
I’m not so sure about that. Penn state finds themselves in a similar situation to us the past 3 years. Can’t beat Ohio state can’t win the big games but still fields a consistent and competitive team. If you fire your current coach, who’s the guy that’s gonna elevate the program higher than the current level? I think that’s the only reason Franklin is still employed
November 23rd, 2021 at 5:29 PM ^
Kevin Wilson
November 23rd, 2021 at 7:55 PM ^
That sycophant fanbase would love Mr. "Philosophical Differences"
November 23rd, 2021 at 4:40 PM ^
This is great news for Michigan (and every other team in the B1G East).
November 23rd, 2021 at 4:41 PM ^
Thanks for the amazing new standard for coaching salaries, Sparty!
Signed, James Franklin, Ryan Day, Jim Harbaugh (potentially?), and hell maybe even Paul Chryst at this rate
November 23rd, 2021 at 7:04 PM ^
What is Ferentz going to get at Iowa? That man has the best agent in football
November 23rd, 2021 at 4:46 PM ^
The Penn State poster persuaded me he's not as bad as his rep on MGoBlog.
Still, I'm not sure he's worth a 10-year commitment.
November 23rd, 2021 at 6:06 PM ^
He's not as bad as his rep here. He recruits well and he's had a good track record of finding quality assistants.
At the same time, he's an awful game day coach. He beat Ohio State once thanks to a blocked field goal returned for a touchdown, but he could have won the next two but lost them both by a point. In the 2017 game they blew leads of 28-10 in the second quarter and 35-20 in the fourth; in the 2018 game he made a horrible play call on fourth down that effectively ended the game.
He would drive me (and the rest of this fan base) completely mad if he were at Michigan.
November 23rd, 2021 at 4:47 PM ^
He has two mortgage brokers to thank for these 10 additional years.
November 23rd, 2021 at 4:48 PM ^
Looks like he got less than Mel?
November 23rd, 2021 at 4:51 PM ^
We don't know what the buyout number is on Mel though. Frames got "you owe me the rest of the contract" as his buyout.
November 23rd, 2021 at 5:01 PM ^
Yeah that part's crazy. Especially for a coach who is 10-11 in his past 21 Big Ten games. And a 17-18 road record at PSU.
November 23rd, 2021 at 7:05 PM ^
IDK - paying a proven, good coach a ton of money > paying an unproven guy with exactly one good season even more.
The Tucker bonanza is the crazy move.
I don't get the Franklin hate. PSU could easily have gone the way of Nebraska after the Paterno scandal. Franklin stabilized the program (with a brief assist from O'brien), and made them a consistent contender in a very tough B1G East.
He's not perfect. Abysmal game coach. Other than that, he does a lot of things right. There are so few good coaches who run a clean program and can recruit. Good luck finding someone perfect.
November 23rd, 2021 at 5:38 PM ^
I’ve heard rumors that the MSU President is holding back the Tucker deal. I wonder if that’s due to buyout talk.
With the salary being paid by a donor, there’s got to be a lot of legal mumbojumbo involved in who is responsible for the potential buyout. Is the donor paying the school the full amount of the contract up front or paying Tucker annually? If Tucker leaves or is fired, what happens to the remaining balance and buyout money (on Tucker’s end). If the donor is paying Tucker annually, does that mean he has a say in whether Tucker is fired or not? What happens if there’s a disagreement between the AD and donor on Tucker’s job status? If the donor is paying Tucker annually and Tucker is fired, is the school or the donor on the hook for the buyout?
Contract negotiations are messy and complicated as is, and now you’re adding a billionaire (or a couple, didn’t read close enough to see how many donors were chipping in) and their team(s) of lawyers into the mix.
November 23rd, 2021 at 6:45 PM ^
Agent: Why don't we sign the deal now? Mel's a hot property, and you don't want to lose him to USC or LSU.
University President: Sure, let me find a pen.
[University President looks for pen, glances up at Agent.]
University President: Hey, why are you standing in front of the TV like that? I can't see the score.
[Agent turns TV off.]
Agent: What score?
November 23rd, 2021 at 6:59 PM ^
It is not that complicated. We have something like that at my school and UM has it too. The donor will endow a chair where the income from the endowment will pay a portion of the head coach’s salary. Any buyout will go back into the endowment. The key part is whether the donor has the money to fully fund the endowment at this point. We have a donor who promised 5 mil for a position and got the publicity but has not contributed a dime.
November 24th, 2021 at 5:40 AM ^
But I think part of the alleged “hold-up” would be the involved parties figuring out the logistics and legal avenues of that.
November 23rd, 2021 at 9:54 PM ^
How are public employee pensions handled in Michigan? Mel will undoubtably be the highest paid public employee in the state of Michigan, what does this increase cost the state in the long term?
I’ll take the answer off the air.
November 23rd, 2021 at 5:54 PM ^
Frames' buyout drops to $1M starting in 2026.
November 23rd, 2021 at 4:55 PM ^
10 years
November 23rd, 2021 at 5:01 PM ^
The number of top name schools with actual or likely coaching vacancies is a real boon to the existing crop of current HCs who range from average to promising. PSU locking in a good, maybe real good coach, but no chance of great, and MSU taking a long-term flyer on someone who might be promising. Or might not.
November 23rd, 2021 at 5:01 PM ^
I wonder how hot is agent's wife is.
November 23rd, 2021 at 5:10 PM ^
You can’t expect an agent to negotiate a contract if his wife isn’t hot.
November 23rd, 2021 at 5:41 PM ^
Exactly. His wife is hot. It shows he has confidence. And he can probably hit the curveball.
November 23rd, 2021 at 5:07 PM ^
PSU Nuclear Option
November 23rd, 2021 at 5:14 PM ^
Well, if Mel got what he got, Franklin actually deserves more. This weekend, one of those contracts is going to look sillier than it already is.
November 23rd, 2021 at 5:17 PM ^
Meh....doesn't help or hurt us.
He's a mediocre coach that needs rockstar assistants (Moorehead) to have amazing scheme.
He recruits really well though, which keeps us from catching up to OSU in talent.
Would obviously be much better if PSU totally imploded and the B1G East was down to UM and OSU for top recruits so we could close the talent gap.
November 23rd, 2021 at 5:27 PM ^
No more California Dreamin’
November 23rd, 2021 at 5:29 PM ^
One blocked field goal is going a very, very long way for this man.
November 23rd, 2021 at 5:56 PM ^
One blocked field goal for Frames, and one bad spot for Harbaugh.
The fickle finger of fate.
November 23rd, 2021 at 5:30 PM ^
James "I've got all the Benjamins" Franklin
November 23rd, 2021 at 5:30 PM ^
I guess USC and LSU ghosted him over the last few weeks.
November 23rd, 2021 at 9:45 PM ^
Honestly, if you can get that kind of money at Pennie’s State, you take it. Fans and boosters at USC and LSU are not going to be very patient and aren’t going to be satisfied with not competing for NCs. Bar is lower at PSU.
November 23rd, 2021 at 5:30 PM ^
With an overrated Tucker at MSU and an under-performing Franklin at PSU the future looks pretty bright for UM in the East!
November 23rd, 2021 at 5:42 PM ^
I get that we like shitting on MSU, but Michigan is 0-2 vs. Tucker. Michigan got hosed this year by zebras but Michigan allowed MSU to hang around enough that it could happen.
November 23rd, 2021 at 6:22 PM ^
I kind of see where you're coming from but that was a badly officiated game, for us especially.
If they just let the strip sack TD stand as they should have we scored first in the 3rd QT. If that call had stood, we would have led 27-14 at half at minimum.
When we scored our 3rd QT TD, depending on if we went for 2 and gotten it or kicked the PAT, we would have led anywhere from 33-35 to 14, that deficit might have demoralized MSU enough for us to win that game going away, these things matter.
You can't always claim that you shouldn't allow the refs to lose the game for you and you have to control what you can control.
That was a game altering call and it wasn't the only bad deal we got from the refs.
November 23rd, 2021 at 7:47 PM ^
Not only does the 33-35 to 14 demoralize them it changes their game script. It would have forced Thorne to pass which they couldn’t do.
November 23rd, 2021 at 6:30 PM ^
Okay. I’ll bite and get negged. How is Mel overrated? I get the horrible game this past weekend, but don’t be confused this has happened to UM more times than not in the last decade. Harbaugh is 0-2 and Mel is 2-0. Beating your “better” rival with less talent seems to indicate otherwise.
November 23rd, 2021 at 6:44 PM ^
A covid year and then a flukish win does not a trend make.
He also won't be recruiting 20+ players a year from the portal (per rules) going forward.
15-13 is Hoke'ish. We all remember how that era went for UM after his flukish year.
November 23rd, 2021 at 6:52 PM ^
Jim Harbaugh:
117-50 career record in College
44-19 career record in NFL
Mel Tucker
16-14 career record in College
2-3 career record in NFL
Yeah, Tucker's way better. Sheesh.
November 23rd, 2021 at 7:15 PM ^
Not once did I say Mel was better than Harbaugh. Also, those stats are apples and oranges. You’re comparing a new “up and coming” coach, vs. an experience head coach. But do you think the new coach with a lackluster career so far, should be 2-0 against an NFL coach and Michigan?
I want to see Mel and MSU fail as much as I want to see OSU fail. To say Mel is underrated is BS though. They didn’t deserve to even be on the same field with UM last year and they managed to beat UM with Rocki Fucking Lombardi. You can’t convince me otherwise, that was a worse loss than the App St. game. Name recognition saved it from being comparable. And save me from the COVID year doesn’t count or the refs helped them win this year. They’re excuses and every team went through the same adversity. Difference is that UM had more talent and coaching didn’t do shit about it. You can say you hate Mel or want him to fail, but to say he’s overrated after a 10 win season and beating the wolverines is ludicrous.
November 23rd, 2021 at 7:50 PM ^
That's fair, you didn't say Tucker is better than JH - I perhaps read too much into your highlighting the 2 head-to-head games.
That said, IMO Tucker is WAY overrated, because he's completely unproven, and hasn't done nearly enough to justify $95M.
And you're exactly right - JH has EARNED big dollars with his track record accumulated over years. Anyone's entitled to dislike him or feel dissatisfied, but his career HC record is pretty damned good.
Tucker is up-and-coming maybe, but it's just as likely his next year will more resemble his first 2 years than repeat this year's success. Maybe more likely.
Is he the coach that somehow beat a bad Michigan team with a worse MSU team and a good Michigan team with some breaks, OR is he the coach that lost to Rutgers and Air Force and has 6 30+ point humiliations in 2 1/2 seasons?
Hell, if a couple of nail-biters went the other way this year, he'd be staring at 7-5 and the Meinecke Muffler Bowl.
I just don't see how one season where everything breaks your way justifies a MASSIVE payday.
If he has a great 5 year run, he won't be overrated. Right now, vastly so IMO.
November 23rd, 2021 at 9:28 PM ^
He is overrated right now and it's by a lot. MSU had the same record as us last year, comparing that to App St if fucking stupid. Our dline and secondary was a joke, as was our QB. Rocky Lombardi is a better qb than Joe Milton. Fact is they were a better team, we just didn't know it at the time.
This year they won in a fluke game, Tucker deserves credit for that. Beyond that he has lost to OSU twice 52-12 and 56-7. If he was our coach you would not be saying the shit you are saying and you know it.
November 23rd, 2021 at 8:27 PM ^
"don't be confused this has happened to UM more times than not in the last decade."
Nope. Unless I missed something, Michigan has lost exactly 2 games by 30+ points since RR's 2010 collapse - 31-0 to ND and 49-11 to Wisky last year.
We've had some other lopsided losses (a few OSU games, a couple bowl games and Wisconsin) - but nothing like the thrashing MSU took last week.
If you're thinking "well, some of those games we lost were worse than the score showed" - well, MSU was down 7 touchdowns at HALFTIME. OSU could have made that score much worse if they wanted to.
November 23rd, 2021 at 8:51 PM ^
If Tucker doesn't (miraculously?) find a Heisman caliber RB in the portal, what's his record this year? The pass defense is just as bad as 2020 and so is the offensive line. Thorne is not a difference maker - they would be .500 team at best.