Hoek

September 18th, 2021 at 3:15 PM ^

Wonderful coaching, two mistakes stick out, roughing the kicker and 2 men on the same team with the same number. 
 

they went for the throat and ripped it out!

b618

September 19th, 2021 at 12:45 AM ^

Yep. 

It was actually good coaching decision.

Was like 7 seconds left with a huge lead.  Succeed, and maybe you get it in for a score.  Bump into the kicker, and they have enough time for one play from deep in their end.  Plus, you get a low-risk practice for a punt block.

NashvilleBLUE

September 18th, 2021 at 3:17 PM ^

With how well we have been playing and the legit excitement with execution in all three phases, how bad would the season have to fall off the rails for you all here to get back in the “change head coach “camp? 

I am genuinely excited for this year and beyond, just based on three games. Unless it goes absolutely in the toilet from here on out, I really like what JH is building here. His team so far has completely removed my apathy for the team.

it’s so refreshing to once again look forward to Saturday.

SHub'68

September 18th, 2021 at 4:20 PM ^

As these dominating wins continue to pile up, expectations will rise. Personally, I'm pleased, but still cautiously optimistic that what we're seeing may translate into solid wins over good conference teams, competitive wins over the better conference teams, and a chance against the best.

I suspect that, as expectations rise, the let down if there's a total debacle at the end of the season instead of a win or a really competitive loss, will become calls for coaching blood per the usual.

stephenrjking

September 19th, 2021 at 12:11 AM ^

1. I don't recall a groundswell of "fire Harbaugh" after 2018 Ohio State...

2. But that was a catastrophic loss that the program has not recovered from, and Brown certainly never recovered, and though it took another two years to fire him we would have been better off if he had taken another job after the Florida loss. So, in retrospect, the carousel would have been justified.

 

JonnyHintz

September 18th, 2021 at 3:42 PM ^

Well to be completely fair, this is what Harbaugh has always done (last year being the exception). Harbaugh does very well against teams with less talent. Beats the teams he’s supposed to beat for the most part. 
 

The problem people have had with Harbaugh is the failure to get to that next level. Go on the road and get a big win. Win a game as an underdog. Beating low level MAC schools and bottom of the B1G teams has never been a problem under Harbaugh. 
 

If Michigan goes out and loses to any 3 of Penn State, Wisconsin, MSU, or OSU, then the people who have had an issue with Harbaugh so far are going to have the same issues with Harbaugh. Potentially slip up against a team like Indiana or Maryland and they’ll be there too. 
 

Theres a very real scenario, whether it’s right or wrong, that Michigan can go 8-4/9-3 and it’ll be “new year, same Harbaugh” for a lot of people. There’s quite a few narratives that Harbaugh will need to put to rest in order to shut some people up. 
 

 

PM

September 19th, 2021 at 12:41 PM ^

Let's hope the team isn't sleeping on Rutgers. They have better coaching than in years past and upgraded a bit via the x-fer portal (so I am led to believe).  Yes we should win comfortably but you still have to show up and play. 

So far, the new coaching staff seems to bring more intensity which should help.

bcnihao

September 18th, 2021 at 9:08 PM ^

Okay, to be explicit, because you asked:  Your assertion that "this is what Harbaugh has always done" is rather silly.  Attaching no importance at all to the first three games is rather silly--and if we'd just squeaked by the first three opponents, you'd be saying that's a harbinger of things to come.

JonnyHintz

September 18th, 2021 at 9:39 PM ^

Its really not silly. Harbaugh has always beaten the teams he’s supposed to beat. Sometimes handily, sometimes we’re super conservative and the score is closer than it should be. 
 

Yeah, struggling against teams you should beat handily is a bad sign. Doing what you’re supposed to do against teams you’re supposed to beat by a ton isn’t some great achievement.


Especially when it’s par for the course for Harbaugh. That’s not where he draws the criticisms for his tenure. Continuing that trend isn’t doing anything to silence those criticisms. 
 

Have we looked good so far? Sure. That doesn’t have anything to do with the criticisms of Harbaugh. If he wants to change the narrative he has to actually defeat the narrative. Winning games he’s always won isn’t going to cut it.

stephenrjking

September 19th, 2021 at 1:02 AM ^

He really isn't. It's a rhetorical statement... that does, in fact, ring true with what some people are saying after today's win. "Never seen a more explosive team," "Don Brown never made adjustments like this," etc. There's a lot of hyperbole. Hintz states, correctly, that Harbaugh has rolled bad teams before.

2018 Western Michigan, for example. Final: 49-3, score was 35-0 at halftime. Shea went 12-17 for 125 yards and 3 tds. Michigan ran for 308 yards on 35 carries, with Karan Higdon leading the way with 13-156 12.0 ypc, Evans stepping in with 10-86 8.6 ypc, and some nice running from Tru Wilson 6-54 9.0 ypc. It's not 63, obviously, but are second-half TDs in a blowout game really that big of a difference?

Michigan beat Hawaii 63-3 in 2016, again leading 35-0 at half. 39 carries for 306 yards that game, with Wilton Speight contributing a modest 10-13-145 with 3tds and 1 int.

Now, 2016 and 2018 were both quite good teams, and Michigan's win today was every bit as impressive as those two. But you can't look at the numbers in those games and really think that what we saw today was in a completely different category, because it simply isn't. 

It is natural to feel excited about the team, to enjoy the games. We should; it's a game, and we watch for fun. Hintz and others, like me, have simply seen too many seasons start like this to start concluding that there is really "something different" compared with other teams.

If there is, in fact, "something different" about this group, we'll find out and enjoy finding out. I, for one, maintain that the likeliest scenario is that this team loses some games, including at least one dumb one that shouldn't happen, and that 9-3 is ok and 10-2 is a real success. But that means there are going to be a couple of games where the team needs to pass or complete a 2-minute drill and can't, or where the defense is exposed as middling and our running offense can't keep up, or something like that. Bad things happen in losses, which is why they are losses. 

 

JonnyHintz

September 19th, 2021 at 8:55 AM ^

So the people talking about how this season is different aren’t considering it a great achievement to do what we’ve done thus far? The notion that three wins against subpar competition is going to silence the Harbaugh critics isn’t considering this season a great achievement so far?

These aren’t the games Harbaugh has drawn his criticisms for. Winning these games, which hes always won, isn’t going to change the minds of his critics.  

LDNfan

September 19th, 2021 at 6:53 AM ^

No one saw this level of domination coming from this or any Harbaugh team.

And at this point who knows how bad those teams UM rolled really are? I mean Western just beat Pitt. NIU beat Georgia Tech. Many thought Washington would beat UM before the season started. 

UM is doubling up the Vegas odds. Not many expected this.

 

 

JonnyHintz

September 19th, 2021 at 7:45 AM ^

Except we’ve already SEEN this level of domination from Harbaugh teams before. Beating up on bad teams is fine. No complaints (except with the inefficient passing game against Washington). 
 

But I’m also not going to sit here and pretend it means this is any different than any other year under Harbaugh. Harbaugh leans on the running game/defense and beats the teams he’s supposed to beat. To show this year is different, Harbaugh has to DO something different. 
 

That means go on the road and beat two of Wisconsin, PSU, and MSU. That means at least remain competitive against OSU (though a win would silence a lot of critics). If we lose 3 of those 4 (or god forbid drop another game along the way) then how exactly is this year any different than any other year under Harbaugh? Win the games you’re supposed to win and then lose to the better teams on your schedule along the way to a pedestrian 8-4/9-3 record. 
 

Enough with the preseason expectations bit. Expectations change throughout a season. The folks who thought Washington would beat us no longer thought that after Washington scored 7 in a loss to FCS Montana. Is Michigan better than we anticipated, it appears so. Am I happy about that, of course. Am I enjoying the season so far, undoubtedly.
 

But I also have the awareness to acknowledge that this is pretty typical Harbaugh. And for Harbaugh to change the narrative that surrounds him and frustrates many fans, these aren’t the games where he’s going to do that. Simple. 

KBLOW

September 18th, 2021 at 11:49 PM ^

This start is way different. I can't remember the last time we absolutely destroyed all the weaker teams we were supposed to destroy by dominating all three phases. Sure, we would have some big wins b/c the D could out-atheleting the opposition. But the offense would always take a half to get going and there would be turnovers, bad penalties, and poor execution game after game. 

Panther72

September 18th, 2021 at 5:38 PM ^

Fair enough about the comment " The problem people have had with Harbaugh is the failure to get to that next level. Go on the road and get a big win. Win a game as an underdog."

However, I don't recall a season we opened with 1000 yrds on the ground in three games. 

Its the Offensive line, its the running backs and the backup QB has a high ceiling. The defense looks good. The next two games are going to settle the question [Who is Michigan]. 

JonnyHintz

September 18th, 2021 at 5:56 PM ^

That doesn’t mean anything though? Running game is good, that doesn’t mean the results against the better teams on our schedule will be any better.

I can counter that statement with: when was the last time we had as few passing attempts as we’ve seen through three games? 
 

Running the ball a lot against three bad teams isn’t going to do anything to silence Harbaugh critics or change the narrative surrounding him.

daveheal

September 18th, 2021 at 7:05 PM ^

If we still manage to lose 4-5 games I'm gonna be pretty bummed and wouldn't feel all that negative about cleaning house. We've done this "look great in September" business a bunch of times before, and if we lose to any 4 of Indiana, Wisconsin, Penn State, MSU, OSU it won't feel like there's been a whole lot of progress. I am really enjoying this season so far though.